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• Blueshift:
  
  TPLF did not only reject the International Court Ruling, TPLF tried to invade Eritrea many times after 2000 which all of them failed miserably. Case in point is the latest Wide Scale Invasion of 2016 along the Tsorona and Zalambessa Flanks. TPLF forced PM Hailemariam Desalegn to agree with the plan to invade Eritrea and establish a puppet gov't. The shock response the TPLF forces received surprised not only TPLF itself but also its surrogate countries and its caretaker countries.
  
  What "They were under pressure..." ? They created the pressure themselves by inflating their selfish ego, power and tragedicaly creating fear among the entire Tigrayan People instead of accepting the International Ruling and the peace overture coming from PM Aby.
  We came to know that "PM Aby tried many times to mend fences by sending people of faith, and how many times did Muferiat Kamil, the minister of Peace, pleaded with the filthy TPLF."
  
  To paint TPLF as a victim is a malignant lie. TPLF was never for peaceful resolution...
  
  "ጭጉራፍ ባዕላ ወቒዓ ተእዊ " is typical TPLF behavior.
  
  Just to come to your point "Why did TPLF reject International court ruling and get away with it?"
  
  This by itself perfectly describes every behavior of TPLF's caretakers, TPLF's surrogates and TPLF's agenda, arrogance, and inflated ego.
  
  TPLF Caretaker Countries who claim to stand for the Rule of Law are fvcking Renegades and Outlaws.

Blueshift wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2021, 12:45

Cartman,

What you wrote, you sounded like none tigrayan Ethiopian. Let me tell you where their fault lies in the first place. They continued to reject an international ruling called Badme decision. That is their very own Achilles' heels. Other than that, every thing that comes from Abbiy is propoganda. They were under pressure. They thought they were going to be creamed by Isayas and Abbiy, hence they attacked the northern command. The environment in which how the attack occurred is not clear yet. Both sides lie and lie. That will come out later. But, give credit where it is due. This is a war between 6 mil based population vs. 110 mil. based population even if you count out the damage the Eritrean forces inflicted on the weyanes. Their women were raped, their priests were massacred. Now, they are fighting inside Ethiopia. Strong men give credit to their enemies. The weaker ones don't.

Blueshift wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2021, 09:09

The old mantra is, you don't beat an enemy you don't respect. Abbiy promised to have the complete demise of TPLF within two weeks, eight months ago. That statement was disrespect by itself. ENDF and the amhara army abused the people of Tigray. That is lack of discipline, and sheer stupidity. Tigrayans are Ethiopians. But, part of what helped the weyanes come back is the leadership of the old guard. On the surface, Debre appears to be a soft weak leader. Stupid old Halafi, in his safe welfare home across the ocean, makes fun of him. But, Debre is none of that. He shows compassion to the people he leads. He is democratic. He is charismatic though he does not show it. The generals that are guiding the weyanes are veteran fighters of the old era. They are old dog guerilla fighters. They really made the difference. Other than the Bitcha comedian, and Jula Berhanu, Abbiy does not seem to have veteran war leaders with the exception of handful amhara generals who participated in the Badme war. Hence, weyane lived to fight another day.

Blueshift wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2021, 20:23

Sabur,

When asked, Meles said, we accepted the ruling. We just wanted to sit and talk prodecural staff. We also believed that some part of Tserona, Eritrea was awarded to Ethiopia, and there was also some part of traditionally Ethiopian that was awarded to Eritrea. We would have asked if swapping was possible. (Nope that was not possible. The colonial boundary is never to be ameded.) He said, if that was not possible, then we were ready to demarcate). He wasn't ready. They were mad at Isayas, and they wanted revenge. Why did the international court did not force Ethiopia to demarcate the borders. There was one catch. It is called common law. In Nigeria I believe, they had to sit not to resolve the conflict but to agree on house keeping activities of demarcation. Ethiopia did raise that. Isayas should have shown up and sit for a couple of minutes and leave. That could have taken care of it. I really don't believe he wanted peace with them either. True, the West always favored Ethiopia. But, making the West an enemy is not a smart thing to do. Remember the Islamic Court Meeting in Asmara fiasco which led to sanctions. The bottom line is neither party wanted anything to do with the other. However, the weyanes are to be blamed. They should have demarcated according to the ruling.

Fed up,

Feddy , you are a donkey. You don't speak Tigrigna. You are a trojan horse. I picked a nerve on your back, and you have to keep coming back for a beating again and again. aregit Adgi wedi adgi.

Blueshift wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2021, 20:23

Sabur,

When asked, Meles said, we accepted the ruling. We just wanted to sit and talk prodecural staff. We also believed that some part of Tserona, Eritrea was awarded to Ethiopia, and there was also some part of traditionally Ethiopian that was awarded to Eritrea. We would have asked if swapping was possible. (Nope that was not possible. The colonial boundary is never to be ameded.) He said, if that was not possible, then we were ready to demarcate). He wasn't ready. They were mad at Isayas, and they wanted revenge. Why did the international court did not force Ethiopia to demarcate the borders. There was one catch. It is called common law. In Nigeria I believe, they had to sit not to resolve the conflict but to agree on house keeping activities of demarcation. Ethiopia did raise that. Isayas should have shown up and sit for a couple of minutes and leave. That could have taken care of it. I really don't believe he wanted peace with them either. True, the West always favored Ethiopia. But, making the West an enemy is not a smart thing to do. Remember the Islamic Court Meeting in Asmara fiasco which led to sanctions. The bottom line is neither party wanted anything to do with the other. However, the weyanes are to be blamed. They should have demarcated according to the ruling.

ou said,"Isayas should have shown up and sit for a couple of minutes and leave" Are you really serious ?

Just by sitting down to talk on the International Court Ruling (EEBC) is tantamount to agreeing to negotiate about the whole border.

Blueshift wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2021, 02:03

Sabur wrote,

ou said,"Isayas should have shown up and sit for a couple of minutes and leave" Are you really serious ?

Just by sitting down to talk on the International Court Ruling (EEBC) is tantamount to agreeing to negotiate about the whole border.

BTW, the meeting wasn't going to take place to negotiate the ruling. It wasn't going to be held at the international court.
Sabur, I am afraid you fell for that. The Eritrean government excuse at the time was that sitting down is tantamount to negotiating is rubbish. I thought you were smarter than that. It is final and binding. But, they have to sit down to talk about the method of transfer the property in question. If you understand common law, the same situation had happened in the past, and the weyanes raised that. For it is part of the law. It is a common law. The meeting is designed only to decide how to effect the ruling. Goodness gracious, sitting doesn't mean negotiating. Unless you want to negotiate. Isayas attitude was, you lost hence , get out. They refused to take that, and the world understood. They could have talked how to make it easier on the people who were going to be affected. That is all.
I bet Meles knew what was going to happen to. Isayas did not disappoint Meles on that one. He gave him a chance to continue to hold on to it. He did.

Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2021, 21:06

This war is much bigger than Weyane Old Guard. Let's ask ourselves: who is left from their old guard anyway? Just DebreSion and Getachew Reda?
Yet, the war still rages? SO, that makes one think, what is Abiy and his governments goal here? The economy is in shambles, cost of living is rising, no end in sight for the war, etc.
Tigrayan's appear to be fighting for their survival, which means they are highly motivated, whether or not you or I agree with their cause, but what is Abiy and his allies cause? Revenge? To destroy Tigray as a political entity? Making them submit and be subjugated, as Menelik would do in the age of the empire and bloody, bloody genocidal conquests?

• 1. The agreements signed on 18 June and 20 December of
  2000.
  
  2. The President of Eritrea and the Ethiopian Prime Minister
  signed on the Comprehensive Peace Agreement accepting
  the final and binding ruling with no conditions for change or
  dialogue.
  
  3. The Peace Agreement that outlined the final and binding
  nature of the EEBC ruling was signed in the presence of the
  UN Secretary General, the Chairperson of the Organization
  for African Unity (African Union), the USA Secretary of State,
  as well as the envoy of EU Chairperson.

Blueshift wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2021, 02:03

Sabur wrote,

ou said,"Isayas should have shown up and sit for a couple of minutes and leave" Are you really serious ?

Just by sitting down to talk on the International Court Ruling (EEBC) is tantamount to agreeing to negotiate about the whole border.

BTW, the meeting wasn't going to take place to negotiate the ruling. It wasn't going to be held at the international court.
Sabur, I am afraid you fell for that. The Eritrean government excuse at the time was that sitting down is tantamount to negotiating is rubbish. I thought you were smarter than that. It is final and binding. But, they have to sit down to talk about the method of transfer the property in question. If you understand common law, the same situation had happened in the past, and the weyanes raised that. For it is part of the law. It is a common law. The meeting is designed only to decide how to effect the ruling. Goodness gracious, sitting doesn't mean negotiating. Unless you want to negotiate. Isayas attitude was, you lost hence , get out. They refused to take that, and the world understood. They could have talked how to make it easier on the people who were going to be affected. That is all.
I bet Meles knew what was going to happen to. Isayas did not disappoint Meles on that one. He gave him a chance to continue to hold on to it. He did.