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Was abyssinian emperor yohannes a good guy acrording to Eritreans

Poll ended at 16 Oct 2021, 05:12

Yes he was a good guy a holy guy. He kept Arabs at bay.
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47%
No he was a bad guy scum of the earth agame.
48
53%
 
Total votes: 90

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What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Zack » 18 Jul 2021, 05:12

Now this question needs to be eloborated in to 3 sections. The Eritrean peoples opinion this is can be an invididual opinion may it be positive or negetive. The Eritrean state opinion after independence. This opinion can be highly biased because of the separate Eritrean identity the Eritrean state wanted to pursuit. And the different opinion held across the heterogenous society of Eritrea. What we have to know is who was emperor yohannes what was his role in Ethiopia and in Eritrea. During his time of reign. How did the people at that time acknowledge him perceive him. Emperor yohannes was a fighter for what he believed he was very nationalistic when it came to the empire he once ruled. What people don't know he had allot of Eritreans working in his empire and court and soldiers he trusted them with high positions. This something allot of people don't know. So let's do a poll..


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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Zmeselo » 18 Jul 2021, 05:26

We know of no "Yohannes the 5th". But if you meant Kahsay M'rcha- aka Yohanna IV- as any gangster & massmurderer, I hope he's burning in hell fire together with his spiritual spawn- the midget Meles .

The Eritrean State has neither the time nor the inclination at all, to talk about a beggar & looter who happened to call himself a king. The Ethiopians had called our Airport- Yohannes IV- for a long time & shaebia changed that in the 1st year of our Independence. That's about the extent!

As for keeping the arabs at bay, they actually have his head in a museum in kassala.

Third and most importantly in this context, it's very funny when a fourth rate "psychologist/sociologist" like you attempts to analize the Eritrean people and govt. That's beyond your paygrade, boyo!
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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Aba » 18 Jul 2021, 05:28

Who cares.

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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Zack » 18 Jul 2021, 07:30

It's very interesting zmeselo when I say Arabs I meant the Egyptians during their brief invasion of Ethiopia. Not so much the black Arabs of Sudan. The airport of Asmara what is it called now.

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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Blueshift » 18 Jul 2021, 08:39

Zack,

For Tigrayans he was a pride For Ethiopians in general he was a historical king.
For Eritreans, you are asking the wrong question. I don't know him. I am not interested in him. I know he was a religious freak. I believe there was a big moslem migration out of Tigray to Eritrea and many other parts of Ethiopia because of his religious persecution. From what I know, he was very active king. He was also one of the three recent Ethiopian prominent kings. For us Eritreans, it the struggle that we are attached too. Talk about Woldeab Woldemariam, Ibrahim Sultan, Idris Awate, Osman Sabe, Raesi Tessema, and many Eritrean heroes who have special in our hearts. They were Eritreans who gave far more to the state of Eritrea that matters to us. BTW, You should have added, choices such as (c), I don't know him. He is another Ataturk who belongs to another State. (D) I just don't really care for he is not Eritrean (E) He fought the Italians, I am thankful for him (F) He has no business in Eritrea, that is foreign interference. Etc... Now, in the long run, Once Eritrea, Generally Ethiopia, specially Tigray become stable and friendly, then, Eritrean historians may be interested the role he played in the region. Now, I am afraid, you asked the wrong question at the wrong time. .

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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Temt » 18 Jul 2021, 10:35

Do Agames have any common sense at all? Really! We know they are envious green-eyed crab mentality, deceitful, cheat and lying bozos, murderers, and backstabbers. Now, do we have to add "illogical" to the long list of their evil identities?
Zack, how can any person with a normal functioning brain choose "up to 2" when the 2 options you provided are opposite of each other? :roll: ኣየ ናይ ዓጋመ ነገር!
But as far as the ቆንዳፍ ዓጋመ who claims to be a king of AsTobia, he was a good for nothing criminal ordinary ሽፍታ whose severed head of his stinking body must have been given to the Sudanese hyenas for they would feast on it for not knowing any better!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Misraq » 18 Jul 2021, 11:12

Zach,

You are the only Somali who is so much invested on Eritrea and Tigray. Your first account here was "the chief negotiator". I am sorry bud you you always smell agame to me kkkkk

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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Misraq » 18 Jul 2021, 11:12

Zach,

You are the only Somali who is so much invested on Eritrea and Tigray. Your first account here was "the chief negotiator". I am sorry bud you you always smell agame to me kkkkk

Jimmy

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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Blueshift » 18 Jul 2021, 13:12

Zack is from Axum, Tigray. He believes in concept of Tigray Tigrigni. :lol: :lol: He is very devious like his perhaps many Eritrean pretender cousins who are either Amhara or Tigray breeds such as Mesob aka Roha aka Tarik aka lovetarik :lol: aka Ape Abraham etc..etc... But, difference is, Zack is pure Tigrayan who may have lived in Djibouti. They are all devious. Off course, Hawdian is the real Somali/Tigrayan breed. Many Eritrean cadres may fall in that category too. Oldie Cigar aka ugly shyyyty head Kogni is definitely one of them. :lol:
Misraq and Eden, you left us a lot of cousins in Eritrea. Hence our problems for the last 30 years ....a nightmare indeed. We have both agame and amhara breeds that are interfering in our affairs.

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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Blueshift » 18 Jul 2021, 13:47

Misraq,

Fed Up is actually. Gondere. :lol: He claims to be amiche. Amiches speak Tigrigna fairly. Eritreans always teach their children Tigrigna from the inception. Old Feddy has zero zilch nada zee·row (Italian pronunciation of zero :lol: ) Tigrigna in him. You may speak better Tigrigna than him. Definitely, he speaks better amharic that you do. :roll: He is on your side. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Abere » 18 Jul 2021, 14:38

I don't know the Eritrean side of Emperor Yohannes, but from the Ethiopian side his legacy is controversial: Some regard him as patriots and nationalist and others regard him as infamous traitor for colluding with Britain's for the attack of the መቅደላ palace and loot - invading Ethiopian soverrinity. Even though my history knowledge regarding his role in Eritrea is limited, his friendship with Britain is the single most reason for Eritrea to fall under Italian colonialism for about 6 decades - which probably is the cause for present day instability of East Africa in general. Really, if one objectively evaluates it is in this Emperor that the puzzle pieces of today's problem is located and found.

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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Zack » 18 Jul 2021, 18:36

Misraq wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 11:12
Zach,

You are the only Somali who is so much invested on Eritrea and Tigray. Your first account here was "the chief negotiator". I am sorry bud you you always smell agame to me kkkkk

Jimmy


Misraq I am a full blooded Djiboutian somali issa man. The only non somali blood in me is an afar granny. I have no habesha tigray in me. Surely I want a peaceful. Horn and I am a good friend of the Eritreans. They are my people. I have always supported their struggle indeed.


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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by Zack » 19 Jul 2021, 06:28

What's interesting about King yohannes is he is the first. Tigrigna King in a chain full of amhara emperors. And to my surprise no one mentioned why some of the Eritreans view him as a negetive. There is no real reason. Its not like he persecuted Eritreans for their religions. They shared the same faith in all aspects. So what is the real reason he didn't occupy them at all. Like haile sellasie did. I would even understand that they view haile selllasie negetive but why emperor yohannes. Also the poll is getting even very interesting.


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Re: What is Eritreas historic opinion on Emperor yohannes the 5th

Post by AbyssiniaLady » 19 Jul 2021, 11:01







Misraq is not stupid.




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