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Despite my hatred for the TPLF; I do not agree with sending Oromo forces to fight Abiy and his allies war in Tigray. What is the goal? To subjugate a nation that won't give up? Then if they don't give up, what then? Commit genocide? No, I do not agree with this.
Oromo should not get involve. Let Amhara and Abiy fight, since they are always saying that they are the best fighters in the world and that they can do it alone.

Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 15:51

Despite my hatred for the TPLF; I do not agree with sending Oromo forces to fight Abiy and his allies war in Tigray. What is the goal? To subjugate a nation that won't give up? Then if they don't give up, what then? Commit genocide? No, I do not agree with this.
Oromo should not get involve. Let Amhara and Abiy fight, since they are always saying that they are the best fighters in the world and that they can do it alone.

If the country had to go forward, this cancer should be removed with what ever means. This is not Amara's case, this is Ethiopians case, i.e. it should be solved by all Ethiopians. Acctually this is good opportunity to knock down what TPLF built, Killil and Biher.

Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 15:51

Despite my hatred for the TPLF; I do not agree with sending Oromo forces to fight Abiy and his allies war in Tigray. What is the goal? To subjugate a nation that won't give up? Then if they don't give up, what then? Commit genocide? No, I do not agree with this.
Oromo should not get involve. Let Amhara and Abiy fight, since they are always saying that they are the best fighters in the world and that they can do it alone.

AMEN!!!

For the reasoning many Oromo nationalists saying Tigray does not have grudge against Oromo because we understand Abiy Amhara is fighting Oromo people too. Tigray two enemies are the Hamassien gypsy and the Amhara people.

ZEMEN wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 15:57

Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 15:51

Despite my hatred for the TPLF; I do not agree with sending Oromo forces to fight Abiy and his allies war in Tigray. What is the goal? To subjugate a nation that won't give up? Then if they don't give up, what then? Commit genocide? No, I do not agree with this.
Oromo should not get involve. Let Amhara and Abiy fight, since they are always saying that they are the best fighters in the world and that they can do it alone.

If the country had to go forward, this cancer should be removed with what ever means. This is not Amara's case, this is Ethiopians case, i.e. it should be solved by all Ethiopians. Acctually this is good opportunity to knock down what TPLF built, Killil and Biher.

Remove what, is the question? How many TPLF elites are left, besides getachew reda? Then we have to do the cost/risk analysis; can such a war be sustained and if so, are the benefits greater than the costs? What is the end goal; subjugating and enslaving Tigrayans? That's what it seems like. They want tigray to be subjugated and humiliated, which is not what Oromo's want to fight/kill& die for.

What if Oromo's don't want, that? Then what? You see, you are assuming everyone thinks like you, or wants the old imperial ''kifle hager'' system back. What if we like federalism?

Let me ask this,

Should not Amhara take share of EDF's armaments which are bought by their tax money. TPLF has 80% of the national defense asset bought by mostly by Amhara tax money. So, Amhara is more than self-sufficient but it has the right to claim the National Defense Asset and use it by itself. Or else EDF will be in direct conflict with Amhara Fano Defense. Got it!

Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 15:51

Despite my hatred for the TPLF; I do not agree with sending Oromo forces to fight Abiy and his allies war in Tigray. What is the goal? To subjugate a nation that won't give up? Then if they don't give up, what then? Commit genocide? No, I do not agree with this.
Oromo should not get involve. Let Amhara and Abiy fight, since they are always saying that they are the best fighters in the world and that they can do it alone.

Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 16:03

ZEMEN wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 15:57

Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 15:51

Despite my hatred for the TPLF; I do not agree with sending Oromo forces to fight Abiy and his allies war in Tigray. What is the goal? To subjugate a nation that won't give up? Then if they don't give up, what then? Commit genocide? No, I do not agree with this.
Oromo should not get involve. Let Amhara and Abiy fight, since they are always saying that they are the best fighters in the world and that they can do it alone.

If the country had to go forward, this cancer should be removed with what ever means. This is not Amara's case, this is Ethiopians case, i.e. it should be solved by all Ethiopians. Acctually this is good opportunity to knock down what TPLF built, Killil and Biher.

Remove what, is the question? How many TPLF elites are left, besides getachew reda? Then we have to do the cost/risk analysis; can such a war be sustained and if so, are the benefits greater than the costs? What is the end goal; subjugating and enslaving Tigrayans? That's what it seems like. They want tigray to be subjugated and humiliated, which is not what Oromo's want to fight/kill& die for.

What if Oromo's don't want, that? Then what? You see, you are assuming everyone thinks like you, or wants the old imperial ''kifle hager'' system back. What if we like federalism?

Federalism doesn’t work in Ethiopia; it is the right system but wrong prescription. For federalism to work, you need to have sensible social justice. You can’t have half of the population on aid and safety nates and expect federal system to work. And the problem is, when the Tigryans asked to live in equal, they feel they are enslaved. This is a big problem and sickness. To be honest with you, I will be happy if the Tigryans to declare their independence, they are nothing but burden AND cancer.

Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 15:51

Despite my hatred for the TPLF; I do not agree with sending Oromo forces to fight Abiy and his allies war in Tigray. What is the goal? To subjugate a nation that won't give up? Then if they don't give up, what then? Commit genocide? No, I do not agree with this.
Oromo should not get involve. Let Amhara and Abiy fight, since they are always saying that they are the best fighters in the world and that they can do it alone.

You are such an idiot, I thought that you started treating your autism, it is incurable, it seems.

This is defending one's country, do you think there is a spare country for us and our children?

Dedeb!

First off, the news "Oromo soldiers fleeing" is FAKE. It is just to scare additional Oromo forces not come and kick TPLF's arse. Take the opposite of the news coming the TPLF's mouthpiece. Already TPLF were cleared from Wolo Raya yesterday - while Oromo forces are heading to the North, so TPLF is screaming out their fear. Live with it.

Abere wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 16:04

Let me ask this,

Should not Amhara take share of EDF's armaments which are bought by their tax money. TPLF has 80% of the national defense asset bought by mostly by Amhara tax money. So, Amhara is more than self-sufficient but it has the right to claim the National Defense Asset and use it by itself. Or else EDF will be in direct conflict with Amhara Fano Defense. Got it!

Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 15:51

Despite my hatred for the TPLF; I do not agree with sending Oromo forces to fight Abiy and his allies war in Tigray. What is the goal? To subjugate a nation that won't give up? Then if they don't give up, what then? Commit genocide? No, I do not agree with this.
Oromo should not get involve. Let Amhara and Abiy fight, since they are always saying that they are the best fighters in the world and that they can do it alone.

If you can prove to those in power, that Amhara's tax dollars bought whatever amount of the armies arms that you say, whether it be 30% or 40 or more, then sure, I am not against that, seems fair to me. At the end of the day, weapons are only one part of winning a war, the other parts are: high morale, knowledge of the terrain, a just cause, tactics and strategy, among other things.

All I am saying is: this is not a fight worth dying and killing for, at least for Oromo's. We do not have a problem with Tigrayans as a whole, if they do not harm or bother us, we have no problems with them. They are just another neighbor of ours, another Ethiopian.
...This is not gonna be a short war, even Abiy wasn't aware that it would take this long, he thought it'd be over quick, this is why they are doing all kinds of things like blocking any bank accounts opened in tigray, and other things meant to crust tigray as a whole: because Tigrayans see this, from what I view, as a war for their existence, to them, it's about the other side [Abiy/Amhara/whoever else] wanting to wipe their people out. So they are pushed against a wall, fighting to survive, while the other side is motivated by what it seems, to me, revenge, the belief they loss lands, and etc.




Defend the Regime,

Yes, anyone who has an opposing view, must be an ''idiot,'' since they do not blindly ascribe to your belief system or etc.
You are no better than the same TPLF cyber cadres, who were here, insulting Oromo's, and anyone else, who spoke out against their actions, beliefs, etc. So fighting to ''restore'' raya, welkait, other lands, to Amhara's, is fighting for the country? If so, why did the ''country'' wait for so long to defend themselves/ourselves?
Funny, did that same ''country'' defend oromo farmers, women, etc, when the tplf and somali forces under abdi illey, were taking oromo lands, raping oromo girls, and other heinous crimes? Or is defending oromo lives, lands, etc, not defending the country since they are not amhara's?
What is the criteria, reasoning, logic, etc, here, then?

I am willing to admit that, I am wrong, if you can present the reasoning, but insults is not doing that at all.

What is defending your country, then? Elaborate! Is blocking bank accounts in tigray, among other things, is defending Ethiopia?
Explain how rape, destroying infrastructure, etc, in Tigray, is defending Ethiopia?

This is what is lacking the most in Ethiopian political discussions: being objective. being impartial. being just. Telling the truth, even if it's bitter, and even if it's not to the liking of your party, your government, your leader, some of your ethnic group members, etc.
You could not even express your disagreement and present a credible, thought out, coherent case for your belief/a refutation, you resorted directly to insulting. Very typical, though, so I am not surprised at all.

Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 16:27

Defend the Regime,

Yes, anyone who has an opposing view, must be an ''idiot,'' since they do not blindly ascribe to your belief system or etc.
You are no better than the same TPLF cyber cadres, who were here, insulting Oromo's, and anyone else, who spoke out against their actions, beliefs, etc. So fighting to ''restore'' raya, welkait, other lands, to Amhara's, is fighting for the country? If so, why did the ''country'' wait for so long to defend themselves/ourselves?
Funny, did that same ''country'' defend oromo farmers, women, etc, when the tplf and somali forces under abdi illey, were taking oromo lands, raping oromo girls, and other heinous crimes? Or is defending oromo lives, lands, etc, not defending the country since they are not amhara's?
What is the criteria, reasoning, logic, etc, here, then?

I am willing to admit that, I am wrong, if you can present the reasoning, but insults is not doing that at all.

What is defending your country, then? Elaborate! Is blocking bank accounts in tigray, among other things, is defending Ethiopia?
Explain how rape, destroying infrastructure, etc, in Tigray, is defending Ethiopia?

This is what is lacking the most in Ethiopian political discussions: being objective. being impartial. being just. Telling the truth, even if it's bitter, and even if it's not to the liking of your party, your government, your leader, some of your ethnic group members, etc.
You could not even express your disagreement and present a credible, thought out, coherent case for your belief/a refutation, you resorted directly to insulting. Very typical, though, so I am not surprised at all.

Yes, you must be an idiot, if you think this is just about Wolkayit, Raya etc. These are parts of Ethiopia, be it on this or the other side of the so called internal boundary. Why someone should be sleepless about these places ?


Ethiopia is facing currently a coordinate assault from many different directions. Did it happen to you why that is happening right now?

Do you think Abiy Ahmed is more oppressive than the regime under the former TPLF thugs, which massacred more Oromos than any other ethnic group in the country over their rule of almost 3 decades?

If Ethiopia is under assault, then it is the responsibility and duty of every citizen of the country to defend it. If you fail to recognize this simple logic, then you are indeed an inept troll.

Claim Ethiopia is not under an assault, then you prove your idiocy to all of your readers here.

Sadacha Macca,

Good you agreed Amhara should use share of EDF assets: its army in EDF, weapon etc. So far the Amhara Fanos are buying bullets from the government and are wining TPL ( a thief that stole 80% of national asset). Taking 30 -40% of the EDF is a fair game, but they currently using less than 2% of their share of EDF - but still winning.

It is funny to read your statement that Oromos don't have problem with Tigres. Do the families of those buried 5 feet under by Tigre-Woyanes in Irrecha at Debrezeit agree with you? First, there is no way TPLF cross Amhara land to reach at Addis Ababa. Let's hypothetically think TPLF reaches Addis Ababa, I tell you with 100%, the Tigre-Woyanes will mow down /cutdown/ Oromos like grass prepared for hey. If you are an Oromo, your Oromia will fall in a half day fight - that how much it takes to get you out in the slaughtering house.

--- Amhara with or without EDF is victories. If this scares you, I can't help.

DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 16:50

Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2021, 16:27

Defend the Regime,

Yes, anyone who has an opposing view, must be an ''idiot,'' since they do not blindly ascribe to your belief system or etc.
You are no better than the same TPLF cyber cadres, who were here, insulting Oromo's, and anyone else, who spoke out against their actions, beliefs, etc. So fighting to ''restore'' raya, welkait, other lands, to Amhara's, is fighting for the country? If so, why did the ''country'' wait for so long to defend themselves/ourselves?
Funny, did that same ''country'' defend oromo farmers, women, etc, when the tplf and somali forces under abdi illey, were taking oromo lands, raping oromo girls, and other heinous crimes? Or is defending oromo lives, lands, etc, not defending the country since they are not amhara's?
What is the criteria, reasoning, logic, etc, here, then?

I am willing to admit that, I am wrong, if you can present the reasoning, but insults is not doing that at all.

What is defending your country, then? Elaborate! Is blocking bank accounts in tigray, among other things, is defending Ethiopia?
Explain how rape, destroying infrastructure, etc, in Tigray, is defending Ethiopia?

This is what is lacking the most in Ethiopian political discussions: being objective. being impartial. being just. Telling the truth, even if it's bitter, and even if it's not to the liking of your party, your government, your leader, some of your ethnic group members, etc.
You could not even express your disagreement and present a credible, thought out, coherent case for your belief/a refutation, you resorted directly to insulting. Very typical, though, so I am not surprised at all.

Yes, you must be an idiot, if you think this is just about Wolkayit, Raya etc. These are parts of Ethiopia, be it on this or the other side of the so called internal boundary. Why someone should be sleepless about these places ?


Ethiopia is facing currently a coordinate assault from many different directions. Did it happen to you why that is happening right now?

Do you think Abiy Ahmed is more oppressive than the regime under the former TPLF thugs, which massacred more Oromos than any other ethnic group in the country over their rule of almost 3 decades?

If Ethiopia is under assault, then it is the responsibility and duty of every citizen of the country to defend it. If you fail to recognize this simple logic, then you are indeed an inept troll.

Claim Ethiopia is not under an assault, then you prove your idiocy to all of your readers here.

Then, what is it about? They're attacking Ethiopia?, but Abiy's army and police committing the same crimes that their teachers the tplf did, isn't?
has those lands been proven to belong to either side? has there been even an *attempt* to have a referendum there to determine what the people want?
Or is that business as usual? Would there be any tplf rule without their opdo, and andm, enabling them?
they didn't rule, kill, and loot alone. they were the primary ones but not the only ones. without opdo, they would not have entered oromia in the first place.

Ethiopia is under assault, according to you, so tell me, explain, by whom and why? Is it because of the dam? Or because Abiy is some messiah who is going to make Ethiopia self sufficient? etc?


abere,

why should Oromo have a problem with an entire nation of people? how does that even make sense?
our problem was/is with individuals, the tplf, and those who enabled the tplf- this includes many oromo traitors too, and whether you like it or not, there were plenty of amhara traitors who enabled them, otherwise, there is no way that the tplf/tigray can rule the entire ethiopia for a year, forget the almost 30 years that they ruled.
we call it bishoftu* by the way.
amhara are not our defenders, oromo can defend themselves, if they chased away the tplf, primarily, unarmed, then imagine if they were angered to the point they all decided to wage an armed war? it'd be over. if amhara fight tigray, to defend themselves, this is common sense and in the amhara's best interests-do not act like they are doing it for us, or for other ethiopians.

i honestly do not think tplf is fighting to gain power in the center again. this is impossible. no one will allow it, not just amhara's, but oromo, somali, afar, etc, will not let it happen. i think they are fighting to get through to sudan, to access the outside world, and to get allies there.
i, personally, see that as a bad thing, but to be honest with you, what did oromo get from being with ethiopia, other than misery, and oppression?
emotional reasoning aside, tell me please?

Sadacha Macca,

Tigres are calling themselves Woyane while Oromos don't call themselves OLF. That was the old game, Tigre is not the same as TPLF. You might find 0.05% only non-Woyanes. They are all Woyane. Only a few handful of Oromos are evil inspired by Jawar or Merara.
By the way, Amhara does not need Oromo forces ; I don't know why you all crying about it. Is there any trick you guys want play against Amhara? What Amhara demanding is the EDF assets bought and built by its tax money. If Oromo wants to join genuinely that is fine, or else they can sit and stay at their home. The 50 million Amhara is more than sufficient to finish the job - and it really has done so. If you are Oromo, you should be grateful to Amhara Force taking revenge on TPLF that killed your Oromo EDF in North Command forces that used be babysit your god TPLF.
If I were you I would erect a statute at Debrezeit for the victims of Tigere-Woyane.