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Ethio will be forced to reassess its relations with the US, which might have implications beyond bilateral relationship
Posted: 25 May 2021, 05:28
by temari
Re: Ethio will be forced to reassess its relations with the US, which might have implications beyond bilateral relations
Posted: 25 May 2021, 05:47
by sarcasm
Diplomacy does you no good when you are on the wrong side of justice. There are concrete actions the PP regime can do to be removed from the naughty step:
1) Kick Eritrean invading army out of Ethiopia
2) Kick Amhara region Army out of Tigray
3) Withdraw its forces out of Tigray
3) Agree to ceasefire and negotiate with TDF
5) Cooperate with independent UN-led investigation of war crimes and human rights abuses by Ethiopian, Eritrean and Amhara soldiers,
Re: Ethio will be forced to reassess its relations with the US, which might have implications beyond bilateral relations
Posted: 25 May 2021, 05:53
by Abe Abraham
Comprehensive and Balanced response.
Re: Ethio will be forced to reassess its relations with the US, which might have implications beyond bilateral relations
Posted: 25 May 2021, 06:20
by DefendTheTruth
Abe Abraham wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 05:53
Comprehensive and Balanced response.
I would have said instead of ill-advised evil-advised this so called visa restriction measure.
BTW.: in all of the drama being staged by the US-government, I don't see anywhere a sort of irrefutable evidences to have warranted the measures it claims to have taken.
In the absence of cause, then every measure is also "adequate/reasonable", isn't it?
Re: Ethio will be forced to reassess its relations with the US, which might have implications beyond bilateral relations
Posted: 25 May 2021, 07:45
by Weyane.is.dead
Both Eritrea and Ethiopia should retaliate by issuing visa bans to US officials. There's nothing lost there. Who wants to travel to the shithole called USA anyway. The US is one the worst human rights abuser on the planet. Their leaders are guilty of crimes against humanity and should be facing ICc for the iraq, afghan, syrian and Libyan wars.
Re: Ethio will be forced to reassess its relations with the US, which might have implications beyond bilateral relations
Posted: 25 May 2021, 12:26
by Abaymado
sarcasm wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 05:47
Diplomacy does you no good when you are on the wrong side of justice. There are concrete actions the PP regime can do to be removed from the naughty step:
1) Kick Eritrean invading army out of Ethiopia
2) Kick Amhara region Army out of Tigray
From which area? West Tigray? Impossible! It is done, no looking back.
3) Withdraw its forces out of Tigray
3) Agree to ceasefire and negotiate with TDF
and next what?
5) Cooperate with independent UN-led investigation of war crimes and human rights abuses by Ethiopian, Eritrean and Amhara soldiers,
I hope it is a must to isolate agames, they are cancers. We have no choice, we will do it.
Re: Ethio will be forced to reassess its relations with the US, which might have implications beyond bilateral relations
Posted: 25 May 2021, 12:45
by temari
Re: Ethio will be forced to reassess its relations with the US, which might have implications beyond bilateral relations
Posted: 25 May 2021, 12:46
by gearhead
I am not sure if Abiy is capable of doing 1,2 even if he wants to. And without 1 and 2, (4 and 5) go by the way side!
Sanctions MAY, and a big may...help shape abiy's motives to do 1 & 2, but wont help him build the capacity to do 1 and 2.
I am afraid the scenarios are two. TDF wins a liberation or TDF looses to a submission of the forces. Either way, I dont see a conclusive end other than a military one in resolving the IDP and ungovernability issues of Tigray!
sarcasm wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 05:47
Diplomacy does you no good when you are on the wrong side of justice. There are concrete actions the PP regime can do to be removed from the naughty step:
1) Kick Eritrean invading army out of Ethiopia
2) Kick Amhara region Army out of Tigray
3) Withdraw its forces out of Tigray
3) Agree to ceasefire and negotiate with TDF
5) Cooperate with independent UN-led investigation of war crimes and human rights abuses by Ethiopian, Eritrean and Amhara soldiers,
Re: Ethio will be forced to reassess its relations with the US, which might have implications beyond bilateral relations
Posted: 25 May 2021, 18:16
by sarcasm
gearhead wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 12:46
I am not sure if Abiy is capable of doing 1,2 even if he wants to. And without 1 and 2, (4 and 5) go by the way side!
Sanctions MAY, and a big may...help shape abiy's motives to do 1 & 2, but wont help him build the capacity to do 1 and 2.
I am afraid the scenarios are two. TDF wins a liberation or TDF looses to a submission of the forces. Either way, I dont see a conclusive end other than a military one in resolving the IDP and ungovernability issues of Tigray!
sarcasm wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 05:47
Diplomacy does you no good when you are on the wrong side of justice. There are concrete actions the PP regime can do to be removed from the naughty step:
1) Kick Eritrean invading army out of Ethiopia
2) Kick Amhara region Army out of Tigray
3) Withdraw its forces out of Tigray
3) Agree to ceasefire and negotiate with TDF
5) Cooperate with independent UN-led investigation of war crimes and human rights abuses by Ethiopian, Eritrean and Amhara soldiers,
I heard an interview with one of TDF fighters agreeing with your assertion that "I dont see a conclusive end other than a military one in resolving the IDP and ungovernability issues of Tigray!" I just think that politics could cut the human and social costs hugely.
Re: Ethio will be forced to reassess its relations with the US, which might have implications beyond bilateral relations
Posted: 26 May 2021, 20:26
by gearhead
sarcasm wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 18:16
gearhead wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 12:46
I am not sure if Abiy is capable of doing 1,2 even if he wants to. And without 1 and 2, (4 and 5) go by the way side!
Sanctions MAY, and a big may...help shape abiy's motives to do 1 & 2, but wont help him build the capacity to do 1 and 2.
I am afraid the scenarios are two. TDF wins a liberation or TDF looses to a submission of the forces. Either way, I dont see a conclusive end other than a military one in resolving the IDP and ungovernability issues of Tigray!
sarcasm wrote: ↑25 May 2021, 05:47
Diplomacy does you no good when you are on the wrong side of justice. There are concrete actions the PP regime can do to be removed from the naughty step:
1) Kick Eritrean invading army out of Ethiopia
2) Kick Amhara region Army out of Tigray
3) Withdraw its forces out of Tigray
3) Agree to ceasefire and negotiate with TDF
5) Cooperate with independent UN-led investigation of war crimes and human rights abuses by Ethiopian, Eritrean and Amhara soldiers,
I heard an interview with one of TDF fighters agreeing with your assertion that "I dont see a conclusive end other than a military one in resolving the IDP and ungovernability issues of Tigray!" I just think that politics could cut the human and social costs hugely.
Political and Economic pressures will come inorder to affect a sustainable development environment. I just dont see 1 above happening. Even 2 and 3 are negotiated possibilities but 1 needs a concerted independent event with different branches of government involved.
So too, the one sided punitive measure might not lead to sustainable solutions. Keep in mind that it would have been TPLF dancing in Asmara had its luck not runout. The war cry and the hate speech went both ways and in the end, this time around, shabia landed in mekele!
I dont know much about military stuff. But a few things are clear.
1)Isayas cant sustain an extended occupation. Perhaps 4 to 6 month but it will be too expensive after that. So then in his mind he wants a way out. Unlike the monkeys at 4 killo, he is too experienced to the shortcomings of integration approaches, so that hard integration is off the table.
2)He cant go back in a short time and avert an IDP crisis. He is going back to to an all sticks scenario in asmara.Will he react and enable favorable conditions to avert famine with a carrot alternative? Is this approach acceptable?
3)TDFs capabilities are unknown for most of us to count on it coming victorious and avert a famine condition on IDPs. There are also a lot of factions with misgivings to a militarily assisted victory of TDF. To say the least, it comes with its own set of issues.