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Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 01:33
by OPFist
Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Amhara elites are against ethnic federalism as long as Amharigna is the primary or the only working language of the federation, because of the fact that Amharization of other nations is still going on. Other nations are yet considered as raw material being processed into the finished good called Amharanet. It is in such process that nations like Agaw and Oromo were/are converted to Amhara. Thus, the Agaw of Gojjam and Gondar as well as the Oromo of Wallo, Gojjam, Gondar and Shoa lost their true identity in order to become Amhara. Now, by reviving the priori identity of these converted Agaw and Oromo, the number of those who consider themselves as Amhara are not more than 10%. The Agaw are increased to about 20%, the Oromo being at least 40%. When Oromiffa legitimately will be the primary working language of the federation, the Amhara need ethnic federation most to protect themselves from the further re-Agawization and re-Oromization movement. As far as the Oromo are considered, Afaan Oromo being the primary working language of the federation, there will be no disadevantage from both possible con-federation (ethnic federalism) and geo-federation of Ethiopia, i.e defacto Great Oromia.
Read more:
https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2018 ... OT5bdscLNg
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 01:56
by Lakeshore
Thank you for your concern about us but we want a united Ethiopian than backward tribalism. We said Ethiopianism first and tribalism last.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 03:49
by OPFist
After the victory over TPLF, Amhara elites and the PAE (pro- Amharanet elites) from other nations stoarted to consider it as defeat of the present constitution and federation. They started their bravado and are trying to see Oromo national movement as their next target. They even started to brag: “we kicked out Tegaru elites and getting rid of Oromo elites is easier job”. I just want to suggest, let’s push Dr Abiy to dismantle both the constitution and federation, but after demoting Amharigna to local language of only Amhara region and promoting Oromiffaa to the primary language of the federation. In such case, all the military, parlament, security and other federal institutions will use Oromiffaa instead of Amharigna. Do Amhara elites and the PAE agree? Surely, they will start to cry foul! They denounce both the constitution and the federation as long as Amharanet/Amharigna is dominating. But, surely in the future democratic and rainbow Ethiopia, the importance of the languages will be based on their size. Thus, Oromiffaa shall have primary position.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 04:54
by Guest1
ምን ተሻለህ?

ጠቃሚ ቢሆን ኖሮ ዛሬ ጦርነት ውስጥ ባልተገባ። ያንተ አቋም የአብን አቋም ነው። አብን የሚለው ወሰናችን ይረጋገጥልን። የፈለገ መጥፎ ስም ይሰጠው የወያኔ ተላላኪ፤ የበረከት ... አብን ትክክል ነው።
ሆኖም 'አሃዳዊነት' ከሚባለው ፌድራሊዝም ይሽላል ያውም የብሄር ፌድራልዝም ለማለት ከሆነ ከተሳሳተ ትረካና አመለካከት የመጣ ነው። የጥላቻ ፕሮፓጋንዳም ሆኗል።
'አሃዳዊነት ማለት በአንድነት መኖር ስለሆነና መታደስ ሰለሚያስገኝ ከፍ ያለ አደረጃጀትና ውጤትታማም ነው። በተለይ የአሁኑ ፌድራሊዝም ኦሮሞ እንዳይስፋፋ የተፈጠረ ስትራተጂም ነበር ከማለት የሚያግድ ነገር የለም። ማስረጃ ከሶማሌ ክልል ከተባለው ወደ ሚልየን (በፈጣሪ!!!) ተፈናቅሏል።የት ገቡ!! ዬት ጣላችኋቸው!!! ሶማሌ 4 ሚልየን የማይሞላ የአገሪቷን 1/5 የኢት መሬት የተሰጠው ምን ቸግሮ? መሬት? ቤን ሻንጉል ጉሙዝ መሬት ጠቧቸው ነው ሰው በላ የሆኑት? በሃይለስላሴና ደርግ ዘመን ይቺን አትሞክራትም!!! አሃዳዊነት የሰው ልጅ የመጨረሻው ከፍተኛ አደረጃጀት መሆኑን ለማረጋገጥ መጽሃፍ ማንበብም መልካም ነው።
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 10:13
by OPFist
But, promoting the five languages (Oromiffa, Amharigna, Af Somaal, Tigrigna Afar af) and if possible adding more languages is prgmatic solution for the ongoing dispute regarding the language conflict in Ethiopia. The time of Amharic language dominance must come to end. These five languages can help not only to keep Ethiopian unity, but also to accelerate integration of the Horn. This is fact on the ground, which all of us should swallow. No turn back to Amharic language imperialism, the freedom train is moving on. Ethiopia will either be transformed to de facto Great Oromia of Dr. Abiy through democratization process, or it will disintegrate and give birth to Gadaa Oromia of Ob. Galaasa. The choice will be made by all stakeholder nations and nationalities in the country. The Oromo should opt for Great Oromia (similar to gross salary) and if others want to leave us, at end of the day we will have our Gadaa Oromia (as net salary).
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 10:35
by Lakeshore
Listen we have no problem you can promote your own language if you think it is, here let me use your own word pragmatically, useful for the betterment of Ethiopians. Currently, I never heard any other ethnic beating the drum of language problems except, few Gala leaders like shameless, taye and merrara for their own small interest. However, if it is really an issue then it has to be addressed as every social issue by a publicly elected unity government, not by another junta who came to power by showing loyalty to TPLF. This junta came out publicly said we have broken the Amhara peoples that statement only disqualify them from holding any public office. That is why it has to be done after the election and through the members of the parliament or referendum. The current constitution is designed by TPLF and defeated with TPLF so it can help us only for transitioning not to serve the new Ethiopia.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 11:03
by Jirta
Amhara already exercising federalism. There special Oromia Zone in the Amhara region respecting the minority Orom in the majority Amhara region. I think this what federalism means than what Ato Addisu Arega claiming. I know the level of his understanding. He preemptive to understand Federalism unleash the gentle Taye Dongay explained to him.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 11:06
by Noble Amhara
Amhara practice federalism Oromos don’t Oromos practice domination Oromos want to dominate Addis Ababa and Shewa there is many place in Shewa that belong to gurage and Amhara Oromo need to practice federalism and allow gurage and Amhara zones into seperate from there chaotic savagw region
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 13:30
by OPFist
Habesha elites know this fact that democratizing Ethiopia is tantamount to transforming to Oromia very well and Oromo elites are now starting to understand it. That is why Habesha elites give only lip service to democracy, for they really can see what that means. Some Oromo elites didn’t yet get it; accordingly they vehemently oppose “democratizatzion of the empire”. But, truth is that democratic Ethiopia is de facto Oromia; i.e bigger Oromia than the one planned by the OLF. Since the prompt response I once gave to certain Abyssianist Oromo, who tried to persuade Oromo nationalists so that we accept Ethiopia and Ethiopiawinet (in a sense of Ethiopian nationalism = Abesha nationalism) at cost of Oromia and Oromummaa (Oromo nationalism), I recieved several protest and few support letters from Oromo nationals per e-mail. One of the reasons raised by those who oppose the concept of Great Oromia is that the goal of federalist Oromo, i.e ‘democratic genuine federation of Ethiopia’, can not be same as Great Oromia I suggested, but “it will be a continuation of the existing Abyssinian empire”.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 13:50
by EwnetYashenifal
OPFist wrote: ↑26 Dec 2020, 01:33
Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Amhara elites are against ethnic federalism as long as Amharigna is the primary or the only working language of the federation, because of the fact that Amharization of other nations is still going on. Other nations are yet considered as raw material being processed into the finished good called Amharanet. It is in such process that nations like Agaw and Oromo were/are converted to Amhara. Thus, the Agaw of Gojjam and Gondar as well as the Oromo of Wallo, Gojjam, Gondar and Shoa lost their true identity in order to become Amhara. Now, by reviving the priori identity of these converted Agaw and Oromo, the number of those who consider themselves as Amhara are not more than 10%. The Agaw are increased to about 20%, the Oromo being at least 40%. When Oromiffa legitimately will be the primary working language of the federation, the Amhara need ethnic federation most to protect themselves from the further re-Agawization and re-Oromization movement. As far as the Oromo are considered, Afaan Oromo being the primary working language of the federation, there will be no disadevantage from both possible con-federation (ethnic federalism) and geo-federation of Ethiopia, i.e defacto Great Oromia.
Read more:
https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2018 ... OT5bdscLNg
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I am not an Amhara; however, I prefer Amharization (to use your term) of Ethiopia over Oromization of Ethiopia. This is because Amhara is more advanced and civilized than Oromo. Amhara has its own unique alphabets, Oromo is using alphabets it borrowed from European (particularly Swedish) missionaries. Amhara has its own unique religion, but Oromo does not have any form of developed religion, it is primarily inanimate objects worshipper. Oromos are suffering from insecurity while Amhara is proud. Amhara has documented pride and bravery and extensive experience in battles and victories while Oromo has none. Amhara is thinking in global terms whereas Oromos are extremely localish. So, you can understand why I prefer Amharization over Oromization. Oromization is a concept perhaps originated from old people like Lencho Letta.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 16:04
by OPFist
I personally do believe that Oromia within womb of Ethiopia, as planned by federalists, is only transitional solution on the way towards either an indispensable transformation of Ethiopia to de jure integrative Great Oromia or natural inevitable birth of an independent Gadaa Oromia. But yet even the future transitional democratic Ethiopia can be considered as de facto Great Oromia, if Oromo community from now on start to call it as such, without waiting for permission and recoginition from any sort of authority as well as if we really succeed in making Afaan Oromo a working language of the future true federation. In this essay, I will try to show how using Afaan Oromo can make democratic Ethiopia be de facto Oromia.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 16:35
by Lakeshore
Here I have to emphasize that the tribalist Oromo junta can not determine who is Oromo or not for that matter the same idea will go to Tigree, Somali Amhara, and other ethnicities. Based on the agreed law by the elected government or committee peoples have the right to choose if they need to be administered under Southern, northern, central, east, or western regions under them there could be smaller ad districts.
In this way, the dividing sentiment will disappear and united Ethiopia will flourish. In the new Ethiopia, everyone will have the right to live where ever he/she choose. The local districts have the right to developed their language and culture so that they can attract more peoples of their alike. Every district will collect regional tax and federal tax. The federal tax will be sent to the federal government but the regional tax will be used to develop the region. In this case, if they embezzle the local tax money then the people can vote them out or business goes down and they can't collect enough tax that means it is a bad zone for living and peoples will move to another better-administered region.
In this kind of scenario, the federal government will be out of the local politics and focused on major projects, defense of the country, and strengthing peace, natural disaster, allocating budget and making sure regions with less local tax benefit from the economic growth and making sure the judiciary is independent.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 17:08
by OPFist
It is clear that only Abyssinian elites and few culturally and linguistically Habeshanized elites from other nations are against such Oromia (future accomodative Ethiopia) with genuine ethnic federalism or internal self-determination of nations. This Oromia is actually the best compromise solution for all nations in the region in order to live together – achieving both national autonomy and regional integration. Till recently, the position of Abyssinian elites regarding self-determination made them be not suitable to cooperate with elites of other nations against TPLF regime. Abyssinian elites promote unconditional unitary Ethiopia at cost of self-determination, which they also put as a precondition for possible alliance, especially between Abyssinian democratic forces and Oromian freedom fighters. Some Oromo nationalists tended to accept this precondition, only if Abyssinian elites also may accept one Oromo’s precondition, i.e Afaan Oromo as only working language of the federation, instead of Amharinya. They say: let’s try to persuade Habesha elites to accept Afaan Oromo as working language in a common house, Great Oromia (accomodative Ethiopia), as a test. Will Abyssinian elites then continue as pro unity and anti-ethnicity, even if Amharinya will be demoted to only a local language of Amhara region and if Afaan Oromo will be promoted to the only working language of the federation? I am sure they will not! In case they continue to be pro-unity, also under this situation, as they seem to believe now, let’s then try this new version of democratic Ethiopiawinet = de facto Oromiawinet with only Afaan Oromo, instead of Amharinya.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 20:54
by Lakeshore
Your idea from the very get-go is not democratic. How do you try Galigna to be as a federal language by proclamation? You forget something very basic the current constitution is defeated it has to be significantly altered or created a new constitution. TPLF junta and its cronies went to war because they claim this constitution allowed them to still Ethiopian wealth and built their own army and attacked ENDF. They divided the country as they wish fit for their interest in creating greater Tigree. But as you remember Ethiopian people spoken to throw out this ethnic-based division decisively and eliminate the junta together.
when TPLF is removed that means everything that it stands for will be gone because they do not have any good bone in their bodies. What makes you think peoples will choose Galigna to be the national language? That by itself is wrong. Let peoples in every region choose what language they want to use as their local administrative language. On top of that the coast of rolling out the languages. Then the government will tabulate the total number of peoples who speak Galigna , Amaharigna , Somaligna and so on then the total cost to implement the language as a national language. then whoever has the most number of people and reasonably cost-effective can be the national language even we can have two or three national languages. However, no one can put a precondition against democratic venues.
Actually, the Oromo should vouch for their loyalty of being Ethiopian first, if they have a problem with that and have a tendency of separation then they have to go to war with Ethiopians as the TPLF junta did. They can't go everywhere and claim to be theirs or the peoples are Oromo. The people in every region need to choose their language, administration place of living respective of their ethnicity. If the promo junta didn't like this road they better prepare for war. Ethiopian peoples, do not need another TPLF in a different name. We will fight you until the people's choice is heard.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 04:30
by OPFist
After observing the imposition of Amharinya at cost of Afaan Oromo in the past more than one century, I just couldn’t help, but think about the main mistake some of the empire leaders from Oromo origin like Ob. Qusee Dinagde & Ob. Gobena Daacee, who are adored by Abyssianists as builders of the empire, did commit. Their worst mistake was the acceptance of Amharinya as the only national language of the empire they forgd, of course at cost of Afaan Oromo. Being Oromo, if they could have managed to promote Afaan Oromo to national language of the empire, Oromos were not the ones, who should fight for self-determination, but others. The whole of Finfinne’s “high class society” and other “modern” peoples in the empire would have spoken Afaan Oromo as well as the whole diaspora Ethiopians now would have spoken Afaan Oromo, even all would have claimed to be Ethiopian with the content of Oromummaa (Oromo nationalistm), but not Habeshanet (Abyssinian nationalism); then, to be an Ethiopian = Oromian in this sense, of course, almost equivalent to be an Oromo, not an Amhara as it was till now.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 11:25
by Lakeshore
Listen, it is not late or it doesn't mean you are less if you look forward to the betterment of human beings. It is imperative to look at things from a time perspective. We cannot judge things 300 years ago in today's reality because there had been an astronomical difference between today and then.
I want to tell you one real story that happened to me. I had a grad father who came to visit us. One Sunday, after he came from a church he was tired and took a nap. when he woke up he called me and told me to bring him water to wash his hand. I went and bring the water but I found him very upset and asked him what is it? He said I lost my 80 birr and keep asking me if I saw or took it. I cried and told my mam. She got furious at him.
Later my dad came and said hi to his dad but grandpa was not responding. Then I told him everything then my dad took 100 birr gave him.
For a while, it seems everything went back to normal. However, my mam was not happy about it and she told him now you got even 20 birr more what are you so gloomy? guess what grandpa said. If I were not lost the 80 birr I would have 180 birr now.
The moto is it is a vicious circle if someone has to make a stop to it and move forward. The current Gala so-called leaders are like that. They do not care about the future of the peoples they are consumed by their primitive egos. They can make other cities like Addis even better. You take civilization to the mass or peoples you do not bring peoples to already built by others and claim it yours. you can build a better place and attract more investment and create better cities. Detroit in USA was a very vibrant city motor city look at it now most peoples do not want to live there. It is the people who make cities not the other way around.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 12:24
by Jirta
I am from the Oromo ethnicity group. For me it hard to call us people: the reasons are:
1. 70% of the residence in bale are Amahara
2. 60% of the people in Nazret are again Amhara
3. More than 60% of the people of Debrezit and dukem are stil Amhara
4 similarly more than 60% of the people in jima, Ambo, selalie, shabby, horogudro, Zeway, Diredawa, Harar are Amhara.
We need to talk by facts and figures. Other than the new invaders, more than 80% of the residences of Addis Ababa are non Oromo.
Taking these data, Oromo in Ethiopia will not exceed 4million. However their horrible noise is disturbing the whole country. We must afraid of the silence majority. We may pay extra and loss everything like TPLF when times come.
A none pride people with confused identity, with inferiority complex, without history, pagan, I have never seen a people like us.
Re: Ethnic Federalism is Important More for the 10% Amhara than the 40% Oromo!
Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 15:49
by OPFist
At the present, for Abyssinian elites to come to their sense and comprehend why we did say so, let’s look at the following fact in short. Most Abyssinian elites nowadays think they are pro-Ethiopiawinet and anti-ethnicity and they think that they do have a moral upper-hand over others, who “promote ethnic politics”. For them, to develop another view, let’s demote Amharinya to local language of only Amhara region and promote Afaan Oromo to the only federal language. Until now, just based on fact that Amharinya is the only federal language, they used to talk about Ethiopiawinet, which in essence means actually Amharanet (Amhara nationalism) for they know how Amharanization was going on. If we exchange the role of the two languages, I am sure Oromo nationals will start to value Ethiopiawinet, which will be equivalent to Oromummaa and, of course, they will denounce ethnicity. Then, surely Amhara elites will start to defend themselves from the possible “Oromonization” and will denounce Ethiopiawinet with only Afaan Oromo as federal language and they surely will automatically be pro-ethnicity. So, we can see how simple it is to be a moralist without understanding the mechanism behind all what we do believe.