NPR : Nobel Peace Prize Winner To Belligerent Warmaker: Ethiopia Under Abiy Ahmed (must listen!!!)
Posted: 29 Nov 2020, 21:40
TGAA.TGAA wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 22:28Owelo the intellectual prostitute has been vouching for Ethnic cleansing by scapegoating and justifying the massacres in different parts of the country. His buddies, Weyanes has been shattered to smithers, which dashed his hope of getting a helping hand for his Ayatola Jawar, who had been relegated to nothing at this point. So these dummy whites think that if they throw a noble price on one's nake one has to exchange 120 million people's lives to ethnic cleansing. They can shave their Noble prize wherever they want to. Ethiopia was here before this cooper prize came to being. What Abiy brought to Ethiopian people by decimating the bloodsucker Weyanes worth 1000 of Noble prize or whatever prize they can award him. By his action, he guaranteed their future. NO civil war, no Ethnic cleansing, no oppression of any kind.This aspirations do worth more than the stupid prize they think worth something because it was given by a bunch of clueless whites. Even Sweden will tolerate had their national army is killed by local militia --no but for us blacks getting a Nobel prize worth over the sanctity of the Ethiopian nation. what fluffy white ነጫጭባስ
I think you are either stupid or dishonest or both of them. War is always not necessary and unavoidable at the same time. It is funny that you mentioned patience. Both Eritrea and Ethiopia gave Woyane leaders a very long time to rethink their stubborn position but they refused to listen. Life is short we can not wait for them for ages to change. You are wrong to think as if Tigray is the centre of the earth.banebris2013 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 04:25TGAA.TGAA wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 22:28Owelo the intellectual prostitute has been vouching for Ethnic cleansing by scapegoating and justifying the massacres in different parts of the country. His buddies, Weyanes has been shattered to smithers, which dashed his hope of getting a helping hand for his Ayatola Jawar, who had been relegated to nothing at this point. So these dummy whites think that if they throw a noble price on one's nake one has to exchange 120 million people's lives to ethnic cleansing. They can shave their Noble prize wherever they want to. Ethiopia was here before this cooper prize came to being. What Abiy brought to Ethiopian people by decimating the bloodsucker Weyanes worth 1000 of Noble prize or whatever prize they can award him. By his action, he guaranteed their future. NO civil war, no Ethnic cleansing, no oppression of any kind.This aspirations do worth more than the stupid prize they think worth something because it was given by a bunch of clueless whites. Even Sweden will tolerate had their national army is killed by local militia --no but for us blacks getting a Nobel prize worth over the sanctity of the Ethiopian nation. what fluffy white ነጫጭባስ
It is easy to see you are over the moon with the current development in Tigray. A true Ethiopian will have insight about what the future holds. You better sit and think what this war will do to the future of Ethiopia. i personally believe the war was not necessary and the situation with the TPLF could have been handled with more patience. But now it is too late to reverse the course. Given the overall political environment and the worlds take on the war, the war achieved only on thing: recognition of Tigray by the world. It all starts here and ends in independent Tigray. If you rule out Tigray federating with Eritrea in the long run it will be up to you. Politics is dynamic: todays enemies can be friends and vis-versa. Controlling Mekele might temporarily calm the situation. The way things heading, there will be possible external involvement in the war which complicates the matter further.
So if i were you i will worry about the future of Ethiopia at its current form. In the long run the war is not a good thing for Amhara depending on how it will evolve. Two wrongs can not make one right: Yes TPLF were
very bad for Ethiopia, but all out war against them will only breed resentment by generations to come. It took TPLF 16 years to organize themselves and destroy the mighty Dreg. So this war will make the cycle to continue non stop.
Get back to me when you understand the content of what i wrote. Reading without understanding will make you insulter in chief, which exactly you are.Abe Abraham wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 04:52I think you are either stupid or dishonest or both of them. War is always not necessary and unavoidable at the same time. It is funny that you mentioned patience. Both Eritrea and Ethiopia gave Woyane leaders a very long time to rethink their stubborn position but they refused to listen. Life is short we can not wait for them for ages to change. You are wrong to think as if Tigray is the centre of the earth.banebris2013 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 04:25TGAA.TGAA wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 22:28Owelo the intellectual prostitute has been vouching for Ethnic cleansing by scapegoating and justifying the massacres in different parts of the country. His buddies, Weyanes has been shattered to smithers, which dashed his hope of getting a helping hand for his Ayatola Jawar, who had been relegated to nothing at this point. So these dummy whites think that if they throw a noble price on one's nake one has to exchange 120 million people's lives to ethnic cleansing. They can shave their Noble prize wherever they want to. Ethiopia was here before this cooper prize came to being. What Abiy brought to Ethiopian people by decimating the bloodsucker Weyanes worth 1000 of Noble prize or whatever prize they can award him. By his action, he guaranteed their future. NO civil war, no Ethnic cleansing, no oppression of any kind.This aspirations do worth more than the stupid prize they think worth something because it was given by a bunch of clueless whites. Even Sweden will tolerate had their national army is killed by local militia --no but for us blacks getting a Nobel prize worth over the sanctity of the Ethiopian nation. what fluffy white ነጫጭባስ
It is easy to see you are over the moon with the current development in Tigray. A true Ethiopian will have insight about what the future holds. You better sit and think what this war will do to the future of Ethiopia. i personally believe the war was not necessary and the situation with the TPLF could have been handled with more patience. But now it is too late to reverse the course. Given the overall political environment and the worlds take on the war, the war achieved only on thing: recognition of Tigray by the world. It all starts here and ends in independent Tigray. If you rule out Tigray federating with Eritrea in the long run it will be up to you. Politics is dynamic: todays enemies can be friends and vis-versa. Controlling Mekele might temporarily calm the situation. The way things heading, there will be possible external involvement in the war which complicates the matter further.
So if i were you i will worry about the future of Ethiopia at its current form. In the long run the war is not a good thing for Amhara depending on how it will evolve. Two wrongs can not make one right: Yes TPLF were
very bad for Ethiopia, but all out war against them will only breed resentment by generations to come. It took TPLF 16 years to organize themselves and destroy the mighty Dreg. So this war will make the cycle to continue non stop.
More patience even after the murdering of thousands of soldiers in their sleep by TPLF? More patience after taking over of the strategic weaponry of the country by TPLF? More patience until they come back to Menilik Palace and install Jawar as a puppet PM..? lol What is the virtue of patience anyway?banebris2013 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 04:25TGAA.TGAA wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 22:28Owelo the intellectual prostitute has been vouching for Ethnic cleansing by scapegoating and justifying the massacres in different parts of the country. His buddies, Weyanes has been shattered to smithers, which dashed his hope of getting a helping hand for his Ayatola Jawar, who had been relegated to nothing at this point. So these dummy whites think that if they throw a noble price on one's nake one has to exchange 120 million people's lives to ethnic cleansing. They can shave their Noble prize wherever they want to. Ethiopia was here before this cooper prize came to being. What Abiy brought to Ethiopian people by decimating the bloodsucker Weyanes worth 1000 of Noble prize or whatever prize they can award him. By his action, he guaranteed their future. NO civil war, no Ethnic cleansing, no oppression of any kind.This aspirations do worth more than the stupid prize they think worth something because it was given by a bunch of clueless whites. Even Sweden will tolerate had their national army is killed by local militia --no but for us blacks getting a Nobel prize worth over the sanctity of the Ethiopian nation. what fluffy white ነጫጭባስ
It is easy to see you are over the moon with the current development in Tigray. A true Ethiopian will have insight about what the future holds. You better sit and think what this war will do to the future of Ethiopia. i personally believe the war was not necessary and the situation with the TPLF could have been handled with more patience. But now it is too late to reverse the course. Given the overall political environment and the worlds take on the war, the war achieved only on thing: recognition of Tigray by the world. It all starts here and ends in independent Tigray. If you rule out Tigray federating with Eritrea in the long run it will be up to you. Politics is dynamic: todays enemies can be friends and vis-versa. Controlling Mekele might temporarily calm the situation. The way things heading, there will be possible external involvement in the war which complicates the matter further.
So if i were you i will worry about the future of Ethiopia at its current form. In the long run the war is not a good thing for Amhara depending on how it will evolve. Two wrongs can not make one right: Yes TPLF were
very bad for Ethiopia, but all out war against them will only breed resentment by generations to come. It took TPLF 16 years to organize themselves and destroy the mighty Dreg. So this war will make the cycle to continue non stop.
Banebris -- Yes TPLF were very bad for Ethiopia, but all out war against them will only breed resentment by generations to come. I sense you have a soft spot for weyanes , and its within your right to do so . But your first sentence and the second one contradicts it self. If you start with a notion that Weyane and Tigrians are the same --yea you might be right.But I never took that to be true. Yea --there are Tigrians who had a free ride just because they were Tigrans -- and any low conscious individual will bark where it is feed, but the true son and daughters of Tigry with a broad knowledge they would chose their hard earned money than a looted one , if it became at cost of other Ethiopian people resentment. So Hating and burring weyane is a duty of all Ethiopians regardless. You might not get the ramifications of the death of Weyanee because of many reasons, but if you did it is an epochal event . Just as we marked the End of the emperor region in 1974-- it more significant departure from the old and very important to the new path we are charting. I hope it would be founded on some thing durable so that peace and development last long. It is my hope and prayer Ethiopians learn from the misdeeds of Weyane ,but they would have a forgiving heart to heal the wounds to bring unity across religion and nationality --and to see our difference as beauty not as a curse .I sincerely believe we Ethiopians are capable of doing that. "over the moon " is the understatement of the year, I have to admit, not with males , but in a sense of relief that the nightmare is over.banebris2013 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 04:25TGAA.TGAA wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 22:28Owelo the intellectual prostitute has been vouching for Ethnic cleansing by scapegoating and justifying the massacres in different parts of the country. His buddies, Weyanes has been shattered to smithers, which dashed his hope of getting a helping hand for his Ayatola Jawar, who had been relegated to nothing at this point. So these dummy whites think that if they throw a noble price on one's nake one has to exchange 120 million people's lives to ethnic cleansing. They can shave their Noble prize wherever they want to. Ethiopia was here before this cooper prize came to being. What Abiy brought to Ethiopian people by decimating the bloodsucker Weyanes worth 1000 of Noble prize or whatever prize they can award him. By his action, he guaranteed their future. NO civil war, no Ethnic cleansing, no oppression of any kind.This aspirations do worth more than the stupid prize they think worth something because it was given by a bunch of clueless whites. Even Sweden will tolerate had their national army is killed by local militia --no but for us blacks getting a Nobel prize worth over the sanctity of the Ethiopian nation. what fluffy white ነጫጭባስ
It is easy to see you are over the moon with the current development in Tigray. A true Ethiopian will have insight about what the future holds. You better sit and think what this war will do to the future of Ethiopia. i personally believe the war was not necessary and the situation with the TPLF could have been handled with more patience. But now it is too late to reverse the course. Given the overall political environment and the worlds take on the war, the war achieved only on thing: recognition of Tigray by the world. It all starts here and ends in independent Tigray. If you rule out Tigray federating with Eritrea in the long run it will be up to you. Politics is dynamic: todays enemies can be friends and vis-versa. Controlling Mekele might temporarily calm the situation. The way things heading, there will be possible external involvement in the war which complicates the matter further.
So if i were you i will worry about the future of Ethiopia at its current form. In the long run the war is not a good thing for Amhara depending on how it will evolve. Two wrongs can not make one right: . It took TPLF 16 years to organize themselves and destroy the mighty Dreg. So this war will make the cycle to continue non stop.
This is how we were supposed to exchange opinion. I hope others learn from you and make the debate on this forum more civil and more issue oriented than insults and name calling.Za-Ilmaknun wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 13:08More patience even after the murdering of thousands of soldiers in their sleep by TPLF? More patience after taking over of the strategic weaponry of the country by TPLF? More patience until they come back to Menilik Palace and install Jawar as a puppet PM..? lol What is the virtue of patience anyway?banebris2013 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 04:25TGAA.TGAA wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 22:28Owelo the intellectual prostitute has been vouching for Ethnic cleansing by scapegoating and justifying the massacres in different parts of the country. His buddies, Weyanes has been shattered to smithers, which dashed his hope of getting a helping hand for his Ayatola Jawar, who had been relegated to nothing at this point. So these dummy whites think that if they throw a noble price on one's nake one has to exchange 120 million people's lives to ethnic cleansing. They can shave their Noble prize wherever they want to. Ethiopia was here before this cooper prize came to being. What Abiy brought to Ethiopian people by decimating the bloodsucker Weyanes worth 1000 of Noble prize or whatever prize they can award him. By his action, he guaranteed their future. NO civil war, no Ethnic cleansing, no oppression of any kind.This aspirations do worth more than the stupid prize they think worth something because it was given by a bunch of clueless whites. Even Sweden will tolerate had their national army is killed by local militia --no but for us blacks getting a Nobel prize worth over the sanctity of the Ethiopian nation. what fluffy white ነጫጭባስ
It is easy to see you are over the moon with the current development in Tigray. A true Ethiopian will have insight about what the future holds. You better sit and think what this war will do to the future of Ethiopia. i personally believe the war was not necessary and the situation with the TPLF could have been handled with more patience. But now it is too late to reverse the course. Given the overall political environment and the worlds take on the war, the war achieved only on thing: recognition of Tigray by the world. It all starts here and ends in independent Tigray. If you rule out Tigray federating with Eritrea in the long run it will be up to you. Politics is dynamic: todays enemies can be friends and vis-versa. Controlling Mekele might temporarily calm the situation. The way things heading, there will be possible external involvement in the war which complicates the matter further.
So if i were you i will worry about the future of Ethiopia at its current form. In the long run the war is not a good thing for Amhara depending on how it will evolve. Two wrongs can not make one right: Yes TPLF were
very bad for Ethiopia, but all out war against them will only breed resentment by generations to come. It took TPLF 16 years to organize themselves and destroy the mighty Dreg. So this war will make the cycle to continue non stop.
Tigrai could have gone for the 39th while it was in its "super power" status in the country. Do you honestly think that they stayed with Ethiopia for the sake of Ethiopia? Why is staying with Ethiopia is a no go while federating with Eritrea is a possibility? what was the Badime war all about? What was the main issue that led to the barbaric attack by TPLF forces against the ENDF northern Command? What was there to give by the Ethiopian government that could possibly bring TPLF to the table short of agreeing to perpetuating their hegemony?
You worry for the future of Ethiopia?Ethnic Federalism will continue and identity politics won't go away ..if that is why you are so worried. Amharas have learned a bitter lesson that will be told for so many generations to come. As for the intrusion of external actors, they already are in TPLF's favor short of bringing their boots on the ground. It ain't the foreigners who give me a goosebumps as much but the country fellows who sloganeer "down down Ethiopia" and "down down their own kin". Phenomenal !!
You are talking about resentments by Tigreans, I assume. How about the resentments by others for the past 30 years? Have you heard about the mass graves in WolQayit yet? I am sure Gulisso, Arsi, Shashemene and gumuz .. etc are footnotes for now. Some of us are not as easy victims of Stockholm syndrome as you might imagine.The "mighty Derg" was destroyed by a number of factors and forces....but you can keep feeding yourself lies if it helps you sooth the sour wound of the swift loss. TPLF in fact had 47 years of prep for the war that just ended in 3 weeks.
Now what does this loss and disgrace of TPLF do to OLF? let's talk real politics off the masks..![]()
Thank you for civil and insult free reply. I hope you will keep up the good work. If we all do our share of civility on this forum, we might have a civil debate and exchange of opinion on significant issues that affect all Ethiopians. i hope your optimism will come a reality in Ethiopia soon.TGAA wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 19:54Banebris -- Yes TPLF were very bad for Ethiopia, but all out war against them will only breed resentment by generations to come. I sense you have a soft spot for weyanes , and its within your right to do so . But your first sentence and the second one contradicts it self. If you start with a notion that Weyane and Tigrians are the same --yea you might be right.But I never took that to be true. Yea --there are Tigrians who had a free ride just because they were Tigrans -- and any low conscious individual will bark where it is feed, but the true son and daughters of Tigry with a broad knowledge they would chose their hard earned money than a looted one , if it became at cost of other Ethiopian people resentment. So Hating and burring weyane is a duty of all Ethiopians regardless. You might not get the ramifications of the death of Weyanee because of many reasons, but if you did it is an epochal event . Just as we marked the End of the emperor region in 1974-- it more significant departure from the old and very important to the new path we are charting. I hope it would be founded on some thing durable so that peace and development last long. It is my hope and prayer Ethiopians learn from the misdeeds of Weyane ,but they would have a forgiving heart to heal the wounds to bring unity across religion and nationality --and to see our difference as beauty not as a curse .I sincerely believe we Ethiopians are capable of doing that. "over the moon " is the understatement of the year, I have to admit, not with males , but in a sense of relief that the nightmare is over.banebris2013 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 04:25TGAA.TGAA wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 22:28Owelo the intellectual prostitute has been vouching for Ethnic cleansing by scapegoating and justifying the massacres in different parts of the country. His buddies, Weyanes has been shattered to smithers, which dashed his hope of getting a helping hand for his Ayatola Jawar, who had been relegated to nothing at this point. So these dummy whites think that if they throw a noble price on one's nake one has to exchange 120 million people's lives to ethnic cleansing. They can shave their Noble prize wherever they want to. Ethiopia was here before this cooper prize came to being. What Abiy brought to Ethiopian people by decimating the bloodsucker Weyanes worth 1000 of Noble prize or whatever prize they can award him. By his action, he guaranteed their future. NO civil war, no Ethnic cleansing, no oppression of any kind.This aspirations do worth more than the stupid prize they think worth something because it was given by a bunch of clueless whites. Even Sweden will tolerate had their national army is killed by local militia --no but for us blacks getting a Nobel prize worth over the sanctity of the Ethiopian nation. what fluffy white ነጫጭባስ
It is easy to see you are over the moon with the current development in Tigray. A true Ethiopian will have insight about what the future holds. You better sit and think what this war will do to the future of Ethiopia. i personally believe the war was not necessary and the situation with the TPLF could have been handled with more patience. But now it is too late to reverse the course. Given the overall political environment and the worlds take on the war, the war achieved only on thing: recognition of Tigray by the world. It all starts here and ends in independent Tigray. If you rule out Tigray federating with Eritrea in the long run it will be up to you. Politics is dynamic: todays enemies can be friends and vis-versa. Controlling Mekele might temporarily calm the situation. The way things heading, there will be possible external involvement in the war which complicates the matter further.
So if i were you i will worry about the future of Ethiopia at its current form. In the long run the war is not a good thing for Amhara depending on how it will evolve. Two wrongs can not make one right: . It took TPLF 16 years to organize themselves and destroy the mighty Dreg. So this war will make the cycle to continue non stop.