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Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 01:33
by OPFist
Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Recently, about six pro-Amharanet (anti-Oromummaa) parties (Ezema, Baldras, Mead, Abronet, Arena & Teramaj) showed us that they are determined to struggle in unison for self-rule of Addisaba. No genuine democrat can be against such noble idea. But, there are two questions to be answered: 1) under Oromia or out of Oromia? 2) being dominated by Amharanet or led by Oromummaa? Surely, the six pro-Amharanet parties say: out of Oromia being dominated by Amharanet. Then, we the Oromo, say: you will achieve this on our graves. No sound minded Oromo will accept this malicious mission of the pro-Amharanet forces. With this political move, the six parties declared themselves as classical enemies of the Oromo and their future survival in Oromia including Finfinne is unlikely. I personally suggest the following as good solution.
Read more:
https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... aethiopia/
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 02:30
by Horus
OPFist wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 01:33
Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Recently about six pro-Amharanet (anti-Oromummaa) parties (Ezema, Baldras, Mead, Abronet, Arena & Teramaj) showed us that they are determined to struggle in unison for self-rule of Addisaba. No genuine democrat can be against such noble idea. But, there are two questions to be answered: 1) under Oromia or out of Oromia? 2) being dominated by Amharanet or led by Oromummaa? Surely the six pro-Amharanet parties say: out of Oromia being dominated by Amharanet. Then, we the Oromo, say: you will achieve this on our graves. No sound minded Oromo will accept this malicious mission of the pro-Amharanet forces. With this political move, the six parties declared themselves as classical enemies of the Oromo and their future survival in Oromia including Finfinne is unlikely. I personally suggest the following as good solution.
Read more:
https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... aethiopia/
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Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 03:51
by Horus
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እንዳንተ ባለ እረኛ ስር የሚኖር አለ?
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 03:59
by OPFist
To help the two anti-EPP camps (pro-Ethiopia and pro-Oromia elites) trust each other and cooperate in struggle, it is necessary that they agree on forging union of free peoples after freedom from the existing Neo-Naftagna system of EPP. The mentioned conflict in the ‘citizen identity’ can be solved by applying the above suggested two names solution. In that case, the Oromo should not necessarily accept Ethiopia and Ethiopiawinet as well as the non-Oromo peoples must not identify themselves with Oromia and Oromiawinet. We can use both Ethiopia and Oromia interchangeably to name our future common home (union of free peoples). If it is necessary to choose from one of the two names or to give another name, that can be decided by peoples in the country or by their representatives in the future democratically eleced parliament. Now, the Oromo better sing about only Oromia, Oromiawinet and Oromonet without confusing our youth with the rhetoric of Ethiopia and Ethiopiawinet, which are already rejected by some members of our society because of the misuse of Ethiopiawinet by Habesha elites. Thus, I again suggest that our unionists in OPP and OFC call the whole country Oromia, instead of Ethiopia. The multi-national federation they want to foster after freedom can contain self rule of Oromo region within shared rule of Oromian union.
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 04:08
by Horus
በቆሻሻ የትግሬ ሌቦች የተጠለፈውን ትክክለኛ የኦሮሞ ጉዳይ የሚያስተካክሉት የገላን፣ ያያ፣ የላሊጌ፣ የሰላሌ የነደንዳአ የነብርቱካን ዘሮች ናቸው ። ደም ይህ ምን ማለት እንደ ሆነ ጉርጌ ጠንቅቆ ያቀዋል !!! ኦሮሞ አንድ የኢትዮጵያ ጎሳ ነው። የበላይም የበታችም አይደለም። ይህ ደሞ በቅርብ ይታያል !!
ያቤሎ ቆሻሻው ላንተ ይቺ ትበቃሃለች ስማት
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 05:00
by temari
Is this a joke?
Thanks for the laughs
Do you really think Addis Ababans will be fooled by this? Your Amharanet and Orommuma should stay out of Addis. Addis Ababans are sick and tired of both of you. Haven’t you seen how Addis Ababans boycotted irrecha and shut down the city for the second time? They are telling you how sick and tired they are about your tribalism. Whether you like it or not, Addis will be its own killil. The sooner you swallow the bitter pill the better. You better focus on your dysfunctional killil and show that you can decently run a town before even talking about Addis. Addis is not in your league and if you are let to run it, you sure ruin and destroy it just like the other towns in your killil. What a comedy. Stop chewing more than what you can eat.
OPFist wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 01:33
Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Recently, about six pro-Amharanet (anti-Oromummaa) parties (Ezema, Baldras, Mead, Abronet, Arena & Teramaj) showed us that they are determined to struggle in unison for self-rule of Addisaba. No genuine democrat can be against such noble idea. But, there are two questions to be answered: 1) under Oromia or out of Oromia? 2) being dominated by Amharanet or led by Oromummaa? Surely the six pro-Amharanet parties say: out of Oromia being dominated by Amharanet. Then, we the Oromo, say: you will achieve this on our graves. No sound minded Oromo will accept this malicious mission of the pro-Amharanet forces. With this political move, the six parties declared themselves as classical enemies of the Oromo and their future survival in Oromia including Finfinne is unlikely. I personally suggest the following as good solution.
Read more:
https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... aethiopia/
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 09:01
by Lakeshore
Horus you are right
these EBET አበቶች know nothing except being driven by the event. Now when this idiot sees the momentum and the determination of Adiss people he started to say yea Addis needs self-administration. In the first place why we want self-administration because the Gala that was installed was a thief
daytime Rober and the current jocker Abebe is the same [deleted] half man and half female and her brain also like that half gala and half a thief.
we do not allow this modern city to be destroyed by gala again we need a modern-day mayor.
we will make addis great again by kicking the useless parasite gala and agames from addis
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 09:47
by kibramlak
Low iq
OPFist wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 01:33
Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Recently, about six pro-Amharanet (anti-Oromummaa) parties (Ezema, Baldras, Mead, Abronet, Arena & Teramaj) showed us that they are determined to struggle in unison for self-rule of Addisaba. No genuine democrat can be against such noble idea. But, there are two questions to be answered: 1) under Oromia or out of Oromia? 2) being dominated by Amharanet or led by Oromummaa? Surely, the six pro-Amharanet parties say: out of Oromia being dominated by Amharanet. Then, we the Oromo, say: you will achieve this on our graves. No sound minded Oromo will accept this malicious mission of the pro-Amharanet forces. With this political move, the six parties declared themselves as classical enemies of the Oromo and their future survival in Oromia including Finfinne is unlikely. I personally suggest the following as good solution.
Read more:
https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... aethiopia/
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 11:12
by DefendTheTruth
temari wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 05:00
Is this a joke?
Thanks for the laughs
Do you really think Addis Ababans will be fooled by this? Your Amharanet and Orommuma should stay out of Addis. Addis Ababans are sick and tired of both of you. Haven’t you seen how Addis Ababans boycotted irrecha and shut down the city for the second time? They are telling you how sick and tired they are about your tribalism. Whether you like it or not, Addis will be its own killil. The sooner you swallow the bitter pill the better. You better focus on your dysfunctional killil and show that you can decently run a town before even talking about Addis. Addis is not in your league and if you are let to run it, you sure ruin and destroy it just like the other towns in your killil. What a comedy. Stop chewing more than what you can eat.
OPFist wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 01:33
Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Recently, about six pro-Amharanet (anti-Oromummaa) parties (Ezema, Baldras, Mead, Abronet, Arena & Teramaj) showed us that they are determined to struggle in unison for self-rule of Addisaba. No genuine democrat can be against such noble idea. But, there are two questions to be answered: 1) under Oromia or out of Oromia? 2) being dominated by Amharanet or led by Oromummaa? Surely the six pro-Amharanet parties say: out of Oromia being dominated by Amharanet. Then, we the Oromo, say: you will achieve this on our graves. No sound minded Oromo will accept this malicious mission of the pro-Amharanet forces. With this political move, the six parties declared themselves as classical enemies of the Oromo and their future survival in Oromia including Finfinne is unlikely. I personally suggest the following as good solution.
Read more:
https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... aethiopia/
I don't share what the guy here is scribbling here and there after hibernating for a while in his cage, removed from the reality of this world.
But I have a serious question for you, if you are someone who may care about the road the country may take in the future:
When are you going to learn how to accommodate and embrace others to look like the true picture of Ethiopia, a unified Ethiopia finding itself in good terms with the beautiful diversity of this great country?
The guy is someone who is not able to learn about accomodation and compromise and you seem to be not any diffrent from him, so how is your idea better than that of him/her?
What can Addis Ababa achieve if it fails to cooperate with and accommodate many others and keeps claiming I am an island of myself, have everything and the rest is just on itself?
If Addis Ababa can produce, then it still needs the market to supply its product with and sell its products, if Addis Ababa can consume, then it needs a market to obtain its supplies from and this is valid for all the rest in the country and beyond.
Creating an enclave of one's own didn't help Woyane, who claimed no one can touch us if we keep everybody else out and collect ourselves inside, or sort of something similar, with regard to Mekele.
Addis Ababa has all to gain if it learns how to give and take with all of its compatriots, to say it figuratively.
Keeping denouncing "tribalism" 24 hrs a day and 7 days a week, and the whole year, will not reflect what the true picture of Ethiopia is and you are talking about something that is not Ethiopia in the name of Ethiopia.
If you denouce Irrecha or have something against it, which Ethiopia do you have in your vision of What Ethiopia should be?
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 15:23
by free-tembien
Kebt! what do you know other than massacre and destruction? ebet segete.
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 15:41
by OPFist
Nowadays two names solution for the capital – Finfinne/Addisaba is almost accepted by both pro-Ethiopia and pro-Oromia nationals, but why not for the country – Oromia/Ethiopia? The #OromoProtest clearly showed us the exisitng very deep mistrust between Ethiopian lovers and Oromian promoters. Pro-Oromia citzens payed huge sacrifice of their limb and life, while pro-Ethiopia opposition groups were endlessly discussing about motive of the movement and who is behind it, instead of joining the protest and galvanizing the freedom struggle. Main fear of the Ethiopianists seemed to be about the possible civil war between the Oromo and others as well as about eventual disintegration of the empire. Even the pro-Ethiopia rhetoric of unionist Oromos in OPP and OFC couldn’t help in convincing other Ethiopianists about union politics of Oromo people, which is already labelled as “separatist movement” by Abyssinian elites. Because of this mistrust, an inclusive and efficient revolution against the Neo-Naftagna EPP couldn’t yet erupt. Even there was a senseless arguement whether to call it Oromo protest or Ethiopia protest. In this arguement, there was reflectioin of a conflict between two ‘citizen identities’: Ethiopiawinet (being Ethiopian) vs Oromiawinet (being Oromian). The million dollar question not yet answered is: how can pro-Ethiopia elites and pro-Oromia forces trust each other and protest in unison against the dictatorial regime in order to get rid of the system by means of revolution?
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 15:58
by Sam Ebalalehu
Talk the Addis Abebans language. It is devoid of tribalism in any shape or form. They will rule themselves. They have two words to explain themselves : Addis Abebans and Ethiopians.
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 16:21
by TGAA
Yabello the great fashinsta ! You run/exercise with a leather boots and jeans to boot ? Pay a visit to sportswear store ; as everything else you are doing it worng again.
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 16:31
by free-tembien
your political language and how you frame the problem is foreign to addis ababans. you are primitive tribal ape and you only know amharanet vs oromuma. that is ye kebtoch langauage. that is not our language and that is not our freaking problem. we want to live and rule ourselves in a civilized and modern city and don't want to be under kebt segetes who are driven by kebt instinct rather than using their brains like humans. let alone others, even 99% of oromo addis ababans like this youtuber want to be dead than be under primitive tribal apes like oromia kilil.
first learn to work hard like others and earn a living like others instead of envying and destroying what others built with their hard work.
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 17:41
by TGAA
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 11:12
temari wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 05:00
Is this a joke?
Thanks for the laughs
Do you really think Addis Ababans will be fooled by this? Your Amharanet and Orommuma should stay out of Addis. Addis Ababans are sick and tired of both of you. Haven’t you seen how Addis Ababans boycotted irrecha and shut down the city for the second time? They are telling you how sick and tired they are about your tribalism. Whether you like it or not, Addis will be its own killil. The sooner you swallow the bitter pill the better. You better focus on your dysfunctional killil and show that you can decently run a town before even talking about Addis. Addis is not in your league and if you are let to run it, you sure ruin and destroy it just like the other towns in your killil. What a comedy. Stop chewing more than what you can eat.
OPFist wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 01:33
Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Recently, about six pro-Amharanet (anti-Oromummaa) parties (Ezema, Baldras, Mead, Abronet, Arena & Teramaj) showed us that they are determined to struggle in unison for self-rule of Addisaba. No genuine democrat can be against such noble idea. But, there are two questions to be answered: 1) under Oromia or out of Oromia? 2) being dominated by Amharanet or led by Oromummaa? Surely the six pro-Amharanet parties say: out of Oromia being dominated by Amharanet. Then, we the Oromo, say: you will achieve this on our graves. No sound minded Oromo will accept this malicious mission of the pro-Amharanet forces. With this political move, the six parties declared themselves as classical enemies of the Oromo and their future survival in Oromia including Finfinne is unlikely. I personally suggest the following as good solution.
Read more:
https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... aethiopia/
I don't share what the guy here is scribbling here and there after hibernating for a while in his cage, removed from the reality of this world.
But I have a serious question for you, if you are someone who may care about the road the country may take in the future:
When are you going to learn how to accommodate and embrace others to look like the true picture of Ethiopia, a unified Ethiopia finding itself in good terms with the beautiful diversity of this great country?
The guy is someone who is not able to learn about accomodation and compromise and you seem to be not any diffrent from him, so how is your idea better than that of him/her?
What can Addis Ababa achieve if it fails to cooperate with and accommodate many others and keeps claiming I am an island of myself, have everything and the rest is just on itself?
If Addis Ababa can produce, then it still needs the market to supply its product with and sell its products, if Addis Ababa can consume, then it needs a market to obtain its supplies from and this is valid for all the rest in the country and beyond.
Creating an enclave of one's own didn't help Woyane, who claimed no one can touch us if we keep everybody else out and collect ourselves inside, or sort of something similar, with regard to Mekele.
Addis Ababa has all to gain if it learns how to give and take with all of its compatriots, to say it figuratively.
Keeping denouncing "tribalism" 24 hrs a day and 7 days a week, and the whole year, will not reflect what the true picture of Ethiopia is and you are talking about something that is not Ethiopia in the name of Ethiopia.
If you denouce Irrecha or have something against it, which Ethiopia do you have in your vision of What Ethiopia should be?
DTT, These radical bozos trying to wag the dog. They project the power they don't have. Cooperation and imposition it is never the same; they have used all the power they have at their disposal including ethnic cleansing. It isn't going to work. They have used everything in their power to other the Addis Ababan people. It is not going to change. Addis Ababa is a metropolitan city and it should be kept that way forever, if there is such thing. Sure a relationship that is beneficial to both Addis Ababa and the surrounding communities should be established. One should not take advantage of the other. At this time the only oasis of multinationals Ethiopia exists only in Addis Ababa. It is only by strengthening and multiplying Addis kind of cities we can create, mulitethnic communities willing to learn each other because of an opportunity and good will. I really don't understand whenever there is an argument about Addis Ababa there is an assumption there is a dichotomy. This dichotomy is purposely created by Jawar , arrarsa, and some without even thinking about it they suggest a solution based on that assumption . This fake dichotomy never existed before. It should not exist now. If there is injustice done to the surounding comminites let the court settle it , no politisian should be alowed to nose dive in the issue of justice. Elected officals should provide solution giving due consdrations to all sides . Addis Ababa as a mulitnationalist metropolitian city can assure the real establisment of democracy in all corner of Ethiopia. The day ethnonationalist have their day the whole Multie nationalist edfic is going to tumble down. So let us keep a healthy realtion ship among communites and let a mutual respect and opportunity necessitate the accomudation , and the democraticly elected representatives help facilitate that accomudation by dialog. No impostion , and this never ending victomhood psychology has to end.
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 06 Oct 2020, 14:47
by temari
I have no problem with cooperation with the Oromo people or Oromia region. What I am saying is that I must elect my local and city officials, that is federalism 101. All those who say they are federalists should first know what federalism is all about. It means the citizens decide how they will be administrated. They are administrated by their own elected officials to the kebele level. Addis Ababans deserve the same treatment like Amhara, Oromia etc. to have their own killil and rule themselves with no buts and ifs. That is a must. Every region and every kebele should rule itself then we can cooperate and accommodate. The current bullying by extremest oromos and oromo political parties is simply unacceptable. Addis Ababans can't continue to live in this uncertainty. A clear break from the Oromia bullies is a must!
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 11:12
temari wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 05:00
Is this a joke?
Thanks for the laughs
Do you really think Addis Ababans will be fooled by this? Your Amharanet and Orommuma should stay out of Addis. Addis Ababans are sick and tired of both of you. Haven’t you seen how Addis Ababans boycotted irrecha and shut down the city for the second time? They are telling you how sick and tired they are about your tribalism. Whether you like it or not, Addis will be its own killil. The sooner you swallow the bitter pill the better. You better focus on your dysfunctional killil and show that you can decently run a town before even talking about Addis. Addis is not in your league and if you are let to run it, you sure ruin and destroy it just like the other towns in your killil. What a comedy. Stop chewing more than what you can eat.
OPFist wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 01:33
Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Recently, about six pro-Amharanet (anti-Oromummaa) parties (Ezema, Baldras, Mead, Abronet, Arena & Teramaj) showed us that they are determined to struggle in unison for self-rule of Addisaba. No genuine democrat can be against such noble idea. But, there are two questions to be answered: 1) under Oromia or out of Oromia? 2) being dominated by Amharanet or led by Oromummaa? Surely the six pro-Amharanet parties say: out of Oromia being dominated by Amharanet. Then, we the Oromo, say: you will achieve this on our graves. No sound minded Oromo will accept this malicious mission of the pro-Amharanet forces. With this political move, the six parties declared themselves as classical enemies of the Oromo and their future survival in Oromia including Finfinne is unlikely. I personally suggest the following as good solution.
Read more:
https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2017 ... aethiopia/
I don't share what the guy here is scribbling here and there after hibernating for a while in his cage, removed from the reality of this world.
But I have a serious question for you, if you are someone who may care about the road the country may take in the future:
When are you going to learn how to accommodate and embrace others to look like the true picture of Ethiopia, a unified Ethiopia finding itself in good terms with the beautiful diversity of this great country?
The guy is someone who is not able to learn about accomodation and compromise and you seem to be not any diffrent from him, so how is your idea better than that of him/her?
What can Addis Ababa achieve if it fails to cooperate with and accommodate many others and keeps claiming I am an island of myself, have everything and the rest is just on itself?
If Addis Ababa can produce, then it still needs the market to supply its product with and sell its products, if Addis Ababa can consume, then it needs a market to obtain its supplies from and this is valid for all the rest in the country and beyond.
Creating an enclave of one's own didn't help Woyane, who claimed no one can touch us if we keep everybody else out and collect ourselves inside, or sort of something similar, with regard to Mekele.
Addis Ababa has all to gain if it learns how to give and take with all of its compatriots, to say it figuratively.
Keeping denouncing "tribalism" 24 hrs a day and 7 days a week, and the whole year, will not reflect what the true picture of Ethiopia is and you are talking about something that is not Ethiopia in the name of Ethiopia.
If you denouce Irrecha or have something against it, which Ethiopia do you have in your vision of What Ethiopia should be?
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 06 Oct 2020, 15:44
by DefendTheTruth
temari wrote: ↑06 Oct 2020, 14:47
I have no problem with cooperation with the Oromo people or Oromia region. What I am saying is that I must elect my local and city officials, that is federalism 101. All those who say they are federalists should first know what federalism is all about. It means the citizens decide how they will be administrated. They are administrated by their own elected officials to the kebele level. Addis Ababans deserve the same treatment like Amhara, Oromia etc. to have their own killil and rule themselves with no buts and ifs. That is a must. Every region and every kebele should rule itself then we can cooperate and accommodate. The current bullying by extremest oromos and oromo political parties is simply unacceptable. Addis Ababans can't continue to live in this uncertainty. A clear break from the Oromia bullies is a must!
I am really confused about who is bullying whom here in your narrative.
The first time I heard about Eskinder Nega's so called "Baldaras" (care taker government ) my response was that everybody needs to understand the rule of the game.
And this rule of the game is in my dictionary that you are entitled to demand anything or everything but the way you have to demand is through the democratic process and first get the consent of the people you wish to administer their affairs or even speak in their names. He claimed those in power are undemocratic and as such he wished to remove them undemocratically. This is fundamentally wrong the way I see it.
You are entitled to demand the rights you claim you are lacking now but please don't follow the route Eskinder took and ended up at where he is today.
If you have no problem with cooperating with the Oromo people then why are you blocking them (boycotting) to enter the city and celebrate their festivals? Is that mean they should keep out (of the city), isn't it?
The other point you didn't answer in your reply is about keeping to denounce "tribalism" 24 hrs a day and 7 days a week and all year around, even if you may not do that this way, your reply indicates that you are in favor of denouncing "tribalism" (because Addis Ababans are "sick and tired" of it, in your own words).
Why can't you be an Amhara and an Ethiopian at the same time, and why can't I be an Oromo and an Ethiopian at the same time? Why should I be tired of what I am?
Honest answer is that many people (probably including you) are okay to call themselves that they are proud Amhara and at the same time they denouce when others are proud Oromo, Tigre, Somali etc. There is a clear imbalance here.
People are demanding, probably not unwarrantably, I let you be a proud Amhara and let me also be a proud who ever I am. So what is worng with that?
In that sense you have something against diversity and this in turn put you in a position against what Ethiopia is, I think.
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 06 Oct 2020, 16:05
by temari
I think you may have misunderstood what I said. I never said Addis Ababans blocked irrecha. What I said was Addis Ababans boycotted it by shutting down the city (all business were closed) and by not participating in the event. I have not said blocking roads. So no blocking of roads and the likes. And please I don't support the confrontational nature of Eskender and his big ego. So I am not here to support or defend him. I am only talking about my rights. I have nothing against Oromos and their culture. I would love to enjoy irrecha with them. Please don't misunderstand me.
I have no problem when you want to be tribalist but I have a big problem if you want to impose your tribalism on my city. We are simply different. Our mentality and way of life is very different. You should respect that and let me run my city. That is all I am asking. Trying to make Addis Ababa an oromo tribal city is not gonna work. In Addis Ababa no one asks your ethnicity and you can go anywhere and get any service and do whatever you want. All 80 ethnic groups are welcome and treated equally when it comes to getting public service etc. but Oromo extremists are demanding special treatment and free staff which is foreign to Addis Ababans and they hate it to death. That is it. The idea of getting free staff just because you happen to be from a specific ethnic group is unheard and very despised by Addis Ababans. The kegna free staff mentality and the Addis Ababan entrepreneur mentality are not compatible.
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑06 Oct 2020, 15:44
temari wrote: ↑06 Oct 2020, 14:47
I have no problem with cooperation with the Oromo people or Oromia region. What I am saying is that I must elect my local and city officials, that is federalism 101. All those who say they are federalists should first know what federalism is all about. It means the citizens decide how they will be administrated. They are administrated by their own elected officials to the kebele level. Addis Ababans deserve the same treatment like Amhara, Oromia etc. to have their own killil and rule themselves with no buts and ifs. That is a must. Every region and every kebele should rule itself then we can cooperate and accommodate. The current bullying by extremest oromos and oromo political parties is simply unacceptable. Addis Ababans can't continue to live in this uncertainty. A clear break from the Oromia bullies is a must!
I am really confused about who is bullying whom here in your narrative.
The first time I heard about Eskinder Nega's so called "Baldaras" (care taker government ) my response was that everybody needs to understand the rule of the game.
And this rule of the game is in my dictionary that you are entitled to demand anything or everything but the way you have to demand is through the democratic process and first get the consent of the people you wish to administer their affairs or even speak in their names. He claimed those in power are undemocratic and as such he wished to remove them undemocratically. This is fundamentally wrong the way I see it.
You are entitled to demand the rights you claim you are lacking now but please don't follow the route Eskinder took and ended up at where he is today.
If you have no problem with cooperating with the Oromo people then why are you blocking them (boycotting) to enter the city and celebrate their festivals? Is that mean they should keep out (of the city), isn't it?
The other point you didn't answer in your reply is about keeping to denounce "tribalism" 24 hrs a day and 7 days a week and all year around, even if you may not do that this way, your reply indicates that you are in favor of denouncing "tribalism" (because Addis Ababans are "sick and tired" of it, in your own words).
Why can't you be an Amhara and an Ethiopian at the same time, and why can't I be an Oromo and an Ethiopian at the same time? Why should I be tired of what I am?
Honest answer is that many people (probably including you) are okay to call themselves that they are proud Amhara and at the same time they denouce when others are proud Oromo, Tigre, Somali etc. There is a clear imbalance here.
People are demanding, probably not unwarrantably, I let you be a proud Amhara and let me also be a proud who ever I am. So what is worng with that?
In that sense you have something against diversity and this in turn put you in a position against what Ethiopia is, I think.
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 06 Oct 2020, 16:20
by DefendTheTruth
I think I have to go now but just wondering what you wanted to say.
Blockade is something that disrupts the supply chain, which means you hinder the goods from reaching the market of the consumers.
You can do that either through closing of the roads leading to the market (consumer) or withholding the goods from coming out of the source in the first place.
If you have closed the shops where people could have bought themselves a drink, snacks, meals, or whatever for the goods that are already in the city, what for a difference would it make if you didn't close the roads? You have disrupted the supply chain in both ways and through that you have already hurt the consumer, probably and economically speaking yourself too, because you turned away the customer.
Business people call customers their kings, may be in Marketo that is different. lol
temari wrote: ↑06 Oct 2020, 16:05
I think you may have misunderstood what I said. I never said Addis Ababans blocked irrecha. What I said was Addis Ababans boycotted it by shutting down the city (all business were closed) and by not participating in the event. I have not said blocking roads. So no blocking of roads and the likes. And please I don't support the confrontational nature of Eskender and his big ego. So I am not here to support or defend him. I am only talking about my rights.
I have no problem when you want to be tribalist but I have a big problem if you want to impose your tribalism on my city. We are simply different. Our mentality and way of life is very different. You should respect that and let me run my city. That is all I am asking. Trying to make Addis Ababa an oromo tribal city is not gonna work. In Addis Ababa no one asks your ethnicity and you can go anywhere and get any service and do whatever you want. All 80 ethnic groups are welcome and treated equally when it comes to getting public service etc. but Oromo extremists are demanding special treatment and free staff which is foreign to Addis Ababans and they hate it to death. That is it. The idea of getting free staff just because you happen to be from a specific ethnic group is unheard and very despised by Addis Ababans. The kegna free staff mentality and the Addis Ababan entrepreneur mentality are not compatible.
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑06 Oct 2020, 15:44
temari wrote: ↑06 Oct 2020, 14:47
I have no problem with cooperation with the Oromo people or Oromia region. What I am saying is that I must elect my local and city officials, that is federalism 101. All those who say they are federalists should first know what federalism is all about. It means the citizens decide how they will be administrated. They are administrated by their own elected officials to the kebele level. Addis Ababans deserve the same treatment like Amhara, Oromia etc. to have their own killil and rule themselves with no buts and ifs. That is a must. Every region and every kebele should rule itself then we can cooperate and accommodate. The current bullying by extremest oromos and oromo political parties is simply unacceptable. Addis Ababans can't continue to live in this uncertainty. A clear break from the Oromia bullies is a must!
I am really confused about who is bullying whom here in your narrative.
The first time I heard about Eskinder Nega's so called "Baldaras" (care taker government ) my response was that everybody needs to understand the rule of the game.
And this rule of the game is in my dictionary that you are entitled to demand anything or everything but the way you have to demand is through the democratic process and first get the consent of the people you wish to administer their affairs or even speak in their names. He claimed those in power are undemocratic and as such he wished to remove them undemocratically. This is fundamentally wrong the way I see it.
You are entitled to demand the rights you claim you are lacking now but please don't follow the route Eskinder took and ended up at where he is today.
If you have no problem with cooperating with the Oromo people then why are you blocking them (boycotting) to enter the city and celebrate their festivals? Is that mean they should keep out (of the city), isn't it?
The other point you didn't answer in your reply is about keeping to denounce "tribalism" 24 hrs a day and 7 days a week and all year around, even if you may not do that this way, your reply indicates that you are in favor of denouncing "tribalism" (because Addis Ababans are "sick and tired" of it, in your own words).
Why can't you be an Amhara and an Ethiopian at the same time, and why can't I be an Oromo and an Ethiopian at the same time? Why should I be tired of what I am?
Honest answer is that many people (probably including you) are okay to call themselves that they are proud Amhara and at the same time they denouce when others are proud Oromo, Tigre, Somali etc. There is a clear imbalance here.
People are demanding, probably not unwarrantably, I let you be a proud Amhara and let me also be a proud who ever I am. So what is worng with that?
In that sense you have something against diversity and this in turn put you in a position against what Ethiopia is, I think.
Re: Of course, Addisaba Needs Self-rule, but Under Oromia!
Posted: 06 Oct 2020, 16:27
by temari
Addis Ababans are just displaying their protest and despise for the special treatment of one ethnic group out of 80. They are saying laud and clear this is not the celebration of Addis Ababans and we don't want to be part of it but you can have the empty roads if that makes you feel good.
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑06 Oct 2020, 16:20
I think I have to go now but just wondering what you wanted to say.
Blockade is something that disrupts the supply chain, which means you hinder the goods from reaching the market of the consumers.
You can do that either through closing of the roads leading to the market (consumer) or withholding the goods from coming out of the source in the first place.
If you have closed the shops where people could have bought themselves a drink, snacks, meals, or whatever for the goods that are already in the city, what for a difference would it make if you didn't close the roads? You have disrupted the supply chain in both ways and through that you have already hurt the consumer, probably and economically speaking yourself too, because you turned away the customer.
Business people call customers their kings, may be in Marketo that is different. lol
temari wrote: ↑06 Oct 2020, 16:05
I think you may have misunderstood what I said. I never said Addis Ababans blocked irrecha. What I said was Addis Ababans boycotted it by shutting down the city (all business were closed) and by not participating in the event. I have not said blocking roads. So no blocking of roads and the likes. And please I don't support the confrontational nature of Eskender and his big ego. So I am not here to support or defend him. I am only talking about my rights.
I have no problem when you want to be tribalist but I have a big problem if you want to impose your tribalism on my city. We are simply different. Our mentality and way of life is very different. You should respect that and let me run my city. That is all I am asking. Trying to make Addis Ababa an oromo tribal city is not gonna work. In Addis Ababa no one asks your ethnicity and you can go anywhere and get any service and do whatever you want. All 80 ethnic groups are welcome and treated equally when it comes to getting public service etc. but Oromo extremists are demanding special treatment and free staff which is foreign to Addis Ababans and they hate it to death. That is it. The idea of getting free staff just because you happen to be from a specific ethnic group is unheard and very despised by Addis Ababans. The kegna free staff mentality and the Addis Ababan entrepreneur mentality are not compatible.
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑06 Oct 2020, 15:44
temari wrote: ↑06 Oct 2020, 14:47
I have no problem with cooperation with the Oromo people or Oromia region. What I am saying is that I must elect my local and city officials, that is federalism 101. All those who say they are federalists should first know what federalism is all about. It means the citizens decide how they will be administrated. They are administrated by their own elected officials to the kebele level. Addis Ababans deserve the same treatment like Amhara, Oromia etc. to have their own killil and rule themselves with no buts and ifs. That is a must. Every region and every kebele should rule itself then we can cooperate and accommodate. The current bullying by extremest oromos and oromo political parties is simply unacceptable. Addis Ababans can't continue to live in this uncertainty. A clear break from the Oromia bullies is a must!
I am really confused about who is bullying whom here in your narrative.
The first time I heard about Eskinder Nega's so called "Baldaras" (care taker government ) my response was that everybody needs to understand the rule of the game.
And this rule of the game is in my dictionary that you are entitled to demand anything or everything but the way you have to demand is through the democratic process and first get the consent of the people you wish to administer their affairs or even speak in their names. He claimed those in power are undemocratic and as such he wished to remove them undemocratically. This is fundamentally wrong the way I see it.
You are entitled to demand the rights you claim you are lacking now but please don't follow the route Eskinder took and ended up at where he is today.
If you have no problem with cooperating with the Oromo people then why are you blocking them (boycotting) to enter the city and celebrate their festivals? Is that mean they should keep out (of the city), isn't it?
The other point you didn't answer in your reply is about keeping to denounce "tribalism" 24 hrs a day and 7 days a week and all year around, even if you may not do that this way, your reply indicates that you are in favor of denouncing "tribalism" (because Addis Ababans are "sick and tired" of it, in your own words).
Why can't you be an Amhara and an Ethiopian at the same time, and why can't I be an Oromo and an Ethiopian at the same time? Why should I be tired of what I am?
Honest answer is that many people (probably including you) are okay to call themselves that they are proud Amhara and at the same time they denouce when others are proud Oromo, Tigre, Somali etc. There is a clear imbalance here.
People are demanding, probably not unwarrantably, I let you be a proud Amhara and let me also be a proud who ever I am. So what is worng with that?
In that sense you have something against diversity and this in turn put you in a position against what Ethiopia is, I think.
