Re: One Gurage, One Ethiopia
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Re: One Gurage, One Ethiopia
Greetings kara,
Thanks to you, I have learned a lot about the culture, the tradition, the kitfo etc.... of the good hard working gurage ethnic group. I believe others as well and I am grateful for that.
Man! What for a beautiful landscape you are blessed to have!!! It looks like heaven on earth . We envy you.
P.S. Due to arefa, we did have visitors yesterday and we were watching I believe it was EBS uhud meznagna program and SILTE was in its coverage.
My question, are siltes gurages as well? If they are, then why are they are individually addressed as such? Do you have clans and subclans? I am asking just to learn.
Cheers!
Re: One Gurage, One Ethiopia
Selam Kerenite,
You asked a good question. Gurage doesn't have sub-clan, clan, or tribe system of social organization like Somalis, for example. All Gurage communities have same culture, customs, psychology, food, lifestyle, social systems, etc. But, they are divided into about 10 closely related family of language dialects. How that happened, we don't even know. Most of these dialect groups have only superficial variation like prefixes, suffixes, accents, etc. These languages are classified into three - eastern Gurage such as Slite, western Gurage such as Cheha, and Northen Gurage branches such as Mesqan. As yuo well know TPLF for its own political purpose organized a Silte and dismembered Silte from the greater Gurage community, at least politically but in reality Silte is one of the Gurage communities; that is, the one of Gurage language communities. I am certain in time they will rejoin their larger family. For now it is an issue at all because all politicized and entangled with the current ethnic politics.
You asked a good question. Gurage doesn't have sub-clan, clan, or tribe system of social organization like Somalis, for example. All Gurage communities have same culture, customs, psychology, food, lifestyle, social systems, etc. But, they are divided into about 10 closely related family of language dialects. How that happened, we don't even know. Most of these dialect groups have only superficial variation like prefixes, suffixes, accents, etc. These languages are classified into three - eastern Gurage such as Slite, western Gurage such as Cheha, and Northen Gurage branches such as Mesqan. As yuo well know TPLF for its own political purpose organized a Silte and dismembered Silte from the greater Gurage community, at least politically but in reality Silte is one of the Gurage communities; that is, the one of Gurage language communities. I am certain in time they will rejoin their larger family. For now it is an issue at all because all politicized and entangled with the current ethnic politics.
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Re: One Gurage, One Ethiopia
Kara,Kara wrote: ↑03 Aug 2020, 17:03Selam Kerenite,
You asked a good question. Gurage doesn't have sub-clan, clan, or tribe system of social organization like Somalis, for example. All Gurage communities have same culture, customs, psychology, food, lifestyle, social systems, etc. But, they are divided into about 10 closely related family of language dialects. How that happened, we don't even know. Most of these dialect groups have only superficial variation like prefixes, suffixes, accents, etc. These languages are classified into three - eastern Gurage such as Slite, western Gurage such as Cheha, and Northen Gurage branches such as Mesqan. As yuo well know TPLF for its own political purpose organized a Silte and dismembered Silte from the greater Gurage community, at least politically but in reality Silte is one of the Gurage communities; that is, the one of Gurage language communities. I am certain in time they will rejoin their larger family. For now it is an issue at all because all politicized and entangled with the current ethnic politics.
did you ask about the part I highlighted in red Horus of this forum?
He (Horus) mostly claims about knowing everything and he is a professed Guraghe himself and I would wounder myself if he then fails to know about his own people and root.
Re: One Gurage, One Ethiopia
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ለምን የማይገናኙ ነገሮች ላይ ግዜ ታባክናለው? የጉራጌ ሕዝብ ፍጹም አንድ የሆነ ብሄረሰብ ሆኖ ቋንቋዎቹ ለምን ተለያዩ በሚለው ላይ ያሉት ቲኦሪዎች ሁለት ናቸው። አንዱና አሳማኙ ገለጻ ይህ ነው ። በድሮ ዘመን ጉራጌዎች ቁጥራቸው እጅግ ትንሽ በነበረበት ወቅት እግጅ ሰፊ ግዛት መሬት ላይ ተበትነው ይኖሩ ነበር። ስለሆነም በዘመን ርዝመት የተነሳ ተራርቀው ያደጉት ቋንቋዎች የተውሰነ ለዩነት እሳዩ ። በኋላ ጉራጌዎች ከየአቅጣጫ እየተወረሩ በተለይ በጋላ ገዳ ወረራ ሲወረሩ ራሳቸውን ለመከላከል እየተጠጋጉ ሄውድ በዛሬ ትንሽ መሬት ላይ ባለብዙ ዲያሌክት ሕዝብ ሆኑ የሚል ነው። ከሞላ ጎደል ይህ ሳይንሳዊ እና ታሪክዊ ገለጻው ነው። ሌላው ሁሉም ካንድ ግንድ ቋንቋ ጀምረው በተለያየ ክላን ወይ ጎሳ ተበታተኑና ሁሉም በትንሹ ለወጥ ያለ ዲያሌክት ፈጥሩ የሚል ነው ። ሁለቱም ቲኦሪዎች ያላዋቂዎች ተረት ሳይሆን በቋንቋ፣ አንትሮፖሎጂና ኮኚቲቭ ሊንጉስቲክስ የሚጠና እንጂ የፕሮፓጋንዳ አፍ መካፈቻ አይደሉም። እጅን ከሆረስ አንሳ !
ለምን የማይገናኙ ነገሮች ላይ ግዜ ታባክናለው? የጉራጌ ሕዝብ ፍጹም አንድ የሆነ ብሄረሰብ ሆኖ ቋንቋዎቹ ለምን ተለያዩ በሚለው ላይ ያሉት ቲኦሪዎች ሁለት ናቸው። አንዱና አሳማኙ ገለጻ ይህ ነው ። በድሮ ዘመን ጉራጌዎች ቁጥራቸው እጅግ ትንሽ በነበረበት ወቅት እግጅ ሰፊ ግዛት መሬት ላይ ተበትነው ይኖሩ ነበር። ስለሆነም በዘመን ርዝመት የተነሳ ተራርቀው ያደጉት ቋንቋዎች የተውሰነ ለዩነት እሳዩ ። በኋላ ጉራጌዎች ከየአቅጣጫ እየተወረሩ በተለይ በጋላ ገዳ ወረራ ሲወረሩ ራሳቸውን ለመከላከል እየተጠጋጉ ሄውድ በዛሬ ትንሽ መሬት ላይ ባለብዙ ዲያሌክት ሕዝብ ሆኑ የሚል ነው። ከሞላ ጎደል ይህ ሳይንሳዊ እና ታሪክዊ ገለጻው ነው። ሌላው ሁሉም ካንድ ግንድ ቋንቋ ጀምረው በተለያየ ክላን ወይ ጎሳ ተበታተኑና ሁሉም በትንሹ ለወጥ ያለ ዲያሌክት ፈጥሩ የሚል ነው ። ሁለቱም ቲኦሪዎች ያላዋቂዎች ተረት ሳይሆን በቋንቋ፣ አንትሮፖሎጂና ኮኚቲቭ ሊንጉስቲክስ የሚጠና እንጂ የፕሮፓጋንዳ አፍ መካፈቻ አይደሉም። እጅን ከሆረስ አንሳ !
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Re: One Gurage, One Ethiopia
Horus,
don't mind, that was just my wish to know something more about a people of my country.
Now that you came out to elaborate the issue Kara said before "is unknown" we can also say that there are 3 groups of Guraghe and there are 3 known characters of Guraghe on this forum:
Horus,
Kara,
Ammaya (Ammayya)
Corresponding to the three groups of Guraghe:
Eastern Guraghe such as Silte (probably Horus),
Western Guraghe such as Cheha (probably Kara), and
Northern Guraghe such as Mesqan (probably Ammayya)
don't mind, that was just my wish to know something more about a people of my country.
Now that you came out to elaborate the issue Kara said before "is unknown" we can also say that there are 3 groups of Guraghe and there are 3 known characters of Guraghe on this forum:
Horus,
Kara,
Ammaya (Ammayya)
Corresponding to the three groups of Guraghe:
Eastern Guraghe such as Silte (probably Horus),
Western Guraghe such as Cheha (probably Kara), and
Northern Guraghe such as Mesqan (probably Ammayya)
These languages are classified into three - eastern Gurage such as Slite, western Gurage such as Cheha, and Northen Gurage branches such as Mesqan
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Re: One Gurage, One Ethiopia
Horus is soddo kistane and Silti are harari descandants of Ahmed Gragn soldiers they are not Gurage
Re: One Gurage, One Ethiopia
Sorry Kara for my delayed response.Kara wrote: ↑03 Aug 2020, 17:03Selam Kerenite,
You asked a good question. Gurage doesn't have sub-clan, clan, or tribe system of social organization like Somalis, for example. All Gurage communities have same culture, customs, psychology, food, lifestyle, social systems, etc. But, they are divided into about 10 closely related family of language dialects. How that happened, we don't even know. Most of these dialect groups have only superficial variation like prefixes, suffixes, accents, etc. These languages are classified into three - eastern Gurage such as Slite, western Gurage such as Cheha, and Northen Gurage branches such as Mesqan. As yuo well know TPLF for its own political purpose organized a Silte and dismembered Silte from the greater Gurage community, at least politically but in reality Silte is one of the Gurage communities; that is, the one of Gurage language communities. I am certain in time they will rejoin their larger family. For now it is an issue at all because all politicized and entangled with the current ethnic politics.
Thanks for taking time to educate us about the makeup of the hard-working gurage ethnic group folks.
Also thanks for answering the questions which I was pondering about (now I know who silte are)
Peace!
Re: One Gurage, One Ethiopia
Thank you too! Enjoy this - almost 15 million views amazing !kerenite wrote: ↑05 Aug 2020, 11:56Sorry Kara for my delayed response.Kara wrote: ↑03 Aug 2020, 17:03Selam Kerenite,
You asked a good question. Gurage doesn't have sub-clan, clan, or tribe system of social organization like Somalis, for example. All Gurage communities have same culture, customs, psychology, food, lifestyle, social systems, etc. But, they are divided into about 10 closely related family of language dialects. How that happened, we don't even know. Most of these dialect groups have only superficial variation like prefixes, suffixes, accents, etc. These languages are classified into three - eastern Gurage such as Slite, western Gurage such as Cheha, and Northen Gurage branches such as Mesqan. As yuo well know TPLF for its own political purpose organized a Silte and dismembered Silte from the greater Gurage community, at least politically but in reality Silte is one of the Gurage communities; that is, the one of Gurage language communities. I am certain in time they will rejoin their larger family. For now it is an issue at all because all politicized and entangled with the current ethnic politics.
Thanks for taking time to educate us about the makeup of the hard-working gurage ethnic group folks.
Also thanks for answering the questions which I was pondering about (now I know who silte are)
Peace!