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Deqi-Arawit
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Re: The kid says it all what majority of Eritreans have in their mind.
Deqi,
I do agree with the kid that our martyrs fought and gave their lives for the betterment of our people. But,Isayas was the engineer and the main driver of EPLF since its inception. He was determined to destroy ELF and he did. Luv him or not, he led the struggle all the way to independence. The likes of Mesfin, Petros and others knew exactly who the man was. He used them and disposed of them when he did not need them any longer. EPLF or HGDEF is Isayas. Don't get me wrong, Petros and co. were heroes. however, they were not perfect. They left Eritrea at risk. The leadership of EPLF was far from perfect. But. the martyrs are special.
I do agree with the kid that our martyrs fought and gave their lives for the betterment of our people. But,Isayas was the engineer and the main driver of EPLF since its inception. He was determined to destroy ELF and he did. Luv him or not, he led the struggle all the way to independence. The likes of Mesfin, Petros and others knew exactly who the man was. He used them and disposed of them when he did not need them any longer. EPLF or HGDEF is Isayas. Don't get me wrong, Petros and co. were heroes. however, they were not perfect. They left Eritrea at risk. The leadership of EPLF was far from perfect. But. the martyrs are special.
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Deqi-Arawit
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Re: The kid says it all what majority of Eritreans have in their mind.
Aurorae wrote: ↑20 Jun 2020, 21:09Deqi,
I do agree with the kid that our martyrs fought and gave their lives for the betterment of our people. But,Isayas was the engineer and the main driver of EPLF since its inception. He was determined to destroy ELF and he did. Luv him or not, he led the struggle all the way to independence. The likes of Mesfin, Petros and others knew exactly who the man was. He used them and disposed of them when he did not need them any longer. EPLF or HGDEF is Isayas. Don't get me wrong, Petros and co. were heroes. however, they were not perfect. They left Eritrea at risk. The leadership of EPLF was far from perfect. But. the martyrs are special.
Are you replying to the topic i wrote or perhaps There is some thing i miss here? The topic was about martyrs and you are diverting it to be about the alcoholic junk.
Re: The kid says it all what majority of Eritreans have in their mind.
Deqi,
I was responding to what the kid said. He said that some people in the opposition are wrongfully blaming EPLF itself. I said, EPLF is the creation of Isayas. The leadership in EPLF knew Isayas very well. How he was determined to destroy ELF at any expense and the way he dealt with those who opposed him. Trying to make EPLF a perfect organization and Isayas imperfect is not consistent. EPLF was Isayas' creation and his own tool to the very end. History will prove that. Now, the kid is right when he said the martyrs just gave their lives to the betterment of the people without considering the political consequences in the aftermath. You were not expecting that, were ya ?
I was responding to what the kid said. He said that some people in the opposition are wrongfully blaming EPLF itself. I said, EPLF is the creation of Isayas. The leadership in EPLF knew Isayas very well. How he was determined to destroy ELF at any expense and the way he dealt with those who opposed him. Trying to make EPLF a perfect organization and Isayas imperfect is not consistent. EPLF was Isayas' creation and his own tool to the very end. History will prove that. Now, the kid is right when he said the martyrs just gave their lives to the betterment of the people without considering the political consequences in the aftermath. You were not expecting that, were ya ?
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Deqi-Arawit
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What does EPLF stands for? EPLF stands for Eritrean People liberation front and let me emphsize the Word liberation here. The organization achieved its objectives by liberating Eritrea and make it an independent sovereign country in 1991 . The structure of the organization was horisontal on which any leader in the field has an authority to make any decision, in contrast, now days, you need an approval by the clown to take a shxxit which is typical arab kind of rule. The organisation had also regular meeting, in fact before the clown was elected as secretary General of the party, it was romadan Muhammad nur who lead it. It was also by marginal number the clown defeated Mesfin Hagos in the last election.Aurorae wrote: ↑22 Jun 2020, 09:34Deqi,
I was responding to what the kid said. He said that some people in the opposition are wrongfully blaming EPLF itself. I said, EPLF is the creation of Isayas. The leadership in EPLF knew Isayas very well. How he was determined to destroy ELF at any expense and the way he dealt with those who opposed him. Trying to make EPLF a perfect organization and Isayas imperfect is not consistent. EPLF was Isayas' creation and his own tool to the very end. History will prove that. Now, the kid is right when he said the martyrs just gave their lives to the betterment of the people without considering the political consequences in the aftermath. You were not expecting that, were ya ?![]()
Re: The kid says it all what majority of Eritreans have in their mind.
Deqi,
From the stand of liberating the land, I agree with you, it did its job with finesse. Thanks to the blood of its martyrs. However, it was far from perfect. All liberation fronts are not created equal. EPLF did not give the Eritrean people a democratic government. It gave a formidable dictatorship that rendered the country very poor and the population reduced by a third. After three decades, dictatorship lingers. Isayas was the soul of EPLF and he is the soul of PFDJ. The EPLF leadership was nothing but a vassal for Isayas afewerqi. Do I blame him, surprisingly no. Isayas can only live and breath on the top. He can make people do anything he wants them to do. It is the trait of a psychopath not always in a negative sense. The Steve Jobs and many successful business leaders fall in that category too. For Isayas, Eritrea is too little. He wants the whole neighborhood. He is very convincing. Books will be written about him for years to come. He owned EPLF. Mesfin Hagos and co. were just vassals for him. They woke up from the slumber too late.
From the stand of liberating the land, I agree with you, it did its job with finesse. Thanks to the blood of its martyrs. However, it was far from perfect. All liberation fronts are not created equal. EPLF did not give the Eritrean people a democratic government. It gave a formidable dictatorship that rendered the country very poor and the population reduced by a third. After three decades, dictatorship lingers. Isayas was the soul of EPLF and he is the soul of PFDJ. The EPLF leadership was nothing but a vassal for Isayas afewerqi. Do I blame him, surprisingly no. Isayas can only live and breath on the top. He can make people do anything he wants them to do. It is the trait of a psychopath not always in a negative sense. The Steve Jobs and many successful business leaders fall in that category too. For Isayas, Eritrea is too little. He wants the whole neighborhood. He is very convincing. Books will be written about him for years to come. He owned EPLF. Mesfin Hagos and co. were just vassals for him. They woke up from the slumber too late.
Re: The kid says it all what majority of Eritreans have in their mind.
I have a slightly different take.Aurorae wrote: ↑22 Jun 2020, 17:18Deqi,
From the stand of liberating the land, I agree with you, it did its job with finesse. Thanks to the blood of its martyrs. However, it was far from perfect. All liberation fronts are not created equal. EPLF did not give the Eritrean people a democratic government. It gave a formidable dictatorship that rendered the country very poor and the population reduced by a third. After three decades, dictatorship lingers. Isayas was the soul of EPLF and he is the soul of PFDJ. The EPLF leadership was nothing but a vassal for Isayas afewerqi. Do I blame him, surprisingly no. Isayas can only live and breath on the top. He can make people do anything he wants them to do. It is the trait of a psychopath not always in a negative sense. The Steve Jobs and many successful business leaders fall in that category too. For Isayas, Eritrea is too little. He wants the whole neighborhood. He is very convincing. Books will be written about him for years to come. He owned EPLF. Mesfin Hagos and co. were just vassals for him. They woke up from the slumber too late.
During the struggle, the EPLF, eventhough centralized, had a democratic way of doing things (ነቐፌታን: ርእሰ ነቐፌታን)!
After Independence too, it showed the same traits, by involving the Eritrean people in the Referendum & the drafting of the Constitution & giving space to the "free press", instituting the Sawa training centre as a melting pot of young people of different tribes & languages and by them eventually managing to defend the country. Mind you, we had only 5 years of breathing space, before the weyane initiated the border war on us in 1998. Within 1.5 - 2 years into that war, suddenly, PIA's longtime allies, in cahoots with the weyane & the US (with Tony Lake as a go between) attempted the removal of the President. Even that is well & good, as long as it was justified and as long as they had the majority of the cabinet with them. I doubt it was justified, and the evidence of it is the refusal of the majority in the cabinet to go along with that. The rebel ministers should've then folded & waited for an opportune time, in my view but instead, they started a media campaign against the President; through the independent press of the time (Dawit Isaak et. al.- who btw were being trained in the American embassy "in democracy" by an undercover CIA agent by the name of Snow). The overall view on this is that the President then, summarily, arrested everybody; which isn't true either. He was being pressured by the cabinet members who refused to sign the petition to do something about it & take action. The rest is then, as they say, history.
Is the president a perfect man, in his ways? Of course not! Who is? Should he strive to implement the Constitution as soon as possible? Definitely! Is he power hungry? Maybe! Is he corrupt? Nope! Ascetic even.
So where do we go from here? Before old age takes him, he should build the democratic institutions neccessary for the next generation to take over. Am I optimistic? Yes I am! The new generation is well educated & fiercely patriotic!
Re: The kid says it all what majority of Eritreans have in their mind.
Zmeselo,
That is refreshing analysis.
That is refreshing analysis.
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Tog Wajale
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Re: The kid says it all what majority of Eritreans have in their mind.
Lekhebatt Lemmanai Son Prosti*tute Of Agga*me Bit*ch Mind Your Own Businesses. Eritrea Has Its Own Pace, Rule Of Law And Judicial Systems. We Are Not Here To Serve The White People Democracy. Go Find Out What Democracy Looks Like In Corrupted Kenya, Ghana, Nigeria And South Africa. Go Figure Bas*tard Prostitu*te Agga*me Messengers.