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The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 14:02
by jennifer
Good the factory is built by Midroc Ethiopia but still it should not be run by the city Administration.


Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 14:17
by Dawi
jeni,

What "City business"?

It is the "wheat" stupid! Where is it?

There're idol bakeries in the City as we speak. If anything, this monster is going to put them out of business. Check the for sale businesses in AA; you'll see a medium sized bakery there. I guess it's anticipating its demise for it trying to run away quick.
jennifer wrote:
29 Apr 2020, 14:02
Good the factory is built by Midroc Ethiopia but still it should not be run by the city Administration.


Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 15:55
by DefendTheTruth
Dawi wrote:
29 Apr 2020, 14:17
jeni,

What "City business"?

It is the "wheat" stupid! Where is it?

There're idol bakeries in the City as we speak. If anything, this monster is going to put them out of business. Check the for sale businesses in AA; you'll see a medium sized bakery there. I guess it's anticipating its demise for it trying to run away quick.
jennifer wrote:
29 Apr 2020, 14:02
Good the factory is built by Midroc Ethiopia but still it should not be run by the city Administration.

Dawi,

this is the time Ethiopia will say that she too got also into the business of "mass production" and with that, the main gain is the economy of scale (for the owners, automatically leading the monster factory be the sole elephant in the field).

What comes with mass production? many things may come but one thing is certain, which is lose of quality. The good old days bread will be the thing of the past for the customers of the elephant, the consumers.

What is left to the small businesses then? The answeer is simply the vacum left by the monster itself: concentrate on the needs of the those who are not going to buy the products of the monster, who are seeking the quality old day's bread of the middle class and are ready to pay more in response. For more quality they (the old bakeries) can demand more price.

I visited home before sometimes in the past and wanted to eat the old day's grilled beef in Addis, but sorry couldn't find any, for whatever reason. It could be that i didn't find the right place or there is no more old day's quality beef (yebere tibs I used to enjoy at Sanga-Tera of old days, but unfortunately I couldn't even say where exactly Sanga-Tera lies today :), it could be my taste that changed or the old good quality products are no more there these days.

So, coming back to the fate of the "old good bakeries" they have two options: take the remaining slot in the market and tend to the need of the growing middle class consumers of the city and ask for more price or come together and create their own consortium that could keep them afloat in the pursuing fierce competition of free market economy or wither out and lose at the end.

This scheme will expand to all sectors, i am afraid and it is upto those in the respective fields to realize this simple logic before it could be too late for them.

Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 17:19
by Dawi
Defend,

"Mass production" of what? We don't grow the wheat to do that but, we have the land to grow.

I am worried of "white elephants" in Africa; look at the Renaissance dam? I maybe exaggerating but, we can use the small to medium sized bakeries that exist today that don't produce full capacity as we speak. You know, maybe METEC should have tried to build a bakery like this & similar enterprises using sheet metal and what have you; it is in their skill level rather than trying to to play around with electro-mechanical side of hidase dam and end up wasting money.

As I said, one medium sized bakery probably afraid of Takele's mega bakery is trying to sell and run before its demise.

With smaller things, we can manage and put more people to work. More owners of small businesses flourish etc. The next stage will come in time. It is just that the government's track record is not encouraging to support your view.

The input is lacking; the wheat is not there yet; US aid only send processed flour to mainly recycle their strategic storage? So much for the grandiose Takele's Bakery Inc. then?

First grow enough wheat for god's sake! Then build white elephants to process it; can we do that? We have huge youth population running around without jobs in millions to do that. Trust me, I wish to be wrong on this. Hope things are being done side by side.

We try to build 10 or 20 sugar industries; super mega hydor power? Thanks to the incompetent TPLF/EPRDF not a single factory is completed yet. It's probably good to stick to something you know first; like farming; growing wheat.
DefendTheTruth wrote:
29 Apr 2020, 15:55
Dawi,

this is the time Ethiopia will say that she too got also into the business of "mass production" and with that, the main gain is the economy of scale (for the owners, automatically leading the monster factory be the sole elephant in the field).

What comes with mass production? many things may come but one thing is certain, which is lose of quality. The good old days bread will be the thing of the past for the customers of the elephant, the consumers.

What is left to the small businesses then? The answeer is simply the vacum left by the monster itself: concentrate on the needs of the those who are not going to buy the products of the monster, who are seeking the quality old day's bread of the middle class and are ready to pay more in response. For more quality they (the old bakeries) can demand more price.

I visited home before sometimes in the past and wanted to eat the old day's grilled beef in Addis, but sorry couldn't find any, for whatever reason. It could be that i didn't find the right place or there is no more old day's quality beef (yebere tibs I used to enjoy at Sanga-Tera of old days, but unfortunately I couldn't even say where exactly Sanga-Tera lies today , it could be my taste that changed or the old good quality products are no more there these days.

So, coming back to the fate of the "old good bakeries" they have two options: take the remaining slot in the market and tend to the need of the growing middle class consumers of the city and ask for more price or come together and create their own consortium that could keep them afloat in the pursuing fierce competition of free market economy or wither out and lose at the end.

This scheme will expand to all sectors, i am afraid and it is upto those in the respective fields to realize this simple logic before it could be too late for them.

Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 17:37
by DefendTheTruth
Dawi wrote:
29 Apr 2020, 17:19
Defend,

"Mass production" of what? We don't grow the wheat to do that but, we have the land to grow.

I am worried of "white elephants" in Africa; look at the Renaissance dam? I maybe exaggerating but, we can use the small to medium sized bakeries that exist today who don't produce full capacity as we speak. As I said, one medium sized is trying to sell and run before its demise.

With smaller things, we can manage and put more people to work. More owners of small businesses flourish etc. The next stage will come in time. It is just that the government's track record is not encouraging to support your view.

The input is lacking; the wheat is not there yet; US aid only send processed flour to mainly recycle their strategic storage? So much for the grandiose Takele's Bakery Inc. then?

First grow enough wheat for god's sake! Then build white elephants to process it; can we do that? We have huge youth population running around without jobs in millions to do that.

We try to build 10 or 20 sugar industries; super mega hydor power? Thanks to the incompetent TPLF/EPRDF not a single factory is completed yet. It's probably good to stick to something you know first; like farming; growing wheat.
DefendTheTruth wrote:
29 Apr 2020, 15:55
Dawi,

this is the time Ethiopia will say that she too got also into the business of "mass production" and with that, the main gain is the economy of scale (for the owners, automatically leading the monster factory be the sole elephant in the field).

What comes with mass production? many things may come but one thing is certain, which is lose of quality. The good old days bread will be the thing of the past for the customers of the elephant, the consumers.

What is left to the small businesses then? The answeer is simply the vacum left by the monster itself: concentrate on the needs of the those who are not going to buy the products of the monster, who are seeking the quality old day's bread of the middle class and are ready to pay more in response. For more quality they (the old bakeries) can demand more price.

I visited home before sometimes in the past and wanted to eat the old day's grilled beef in Addis, but sorry couldn't find any, for whatever reason. It could be that i didn't find the right place or there is no more old day's quality beef (yebere tibs I used to enjoy at Sanga-Tera of old days, but unfortunately I couldn't even say where exactly Sanga-Tera lies today , it could be my taste that changed or the old good quality products are no more there these days.

So, coming back to the fate of the "old good bakeries" they have two options: take the remaining slot in the market and tend to the need of the growing middle class consumers of the city and ask for more price or come together and create their own consortium that could keep them afloat in the pursuing fierce competition of free market economy or wither out and lose at the end.

This scheme will expand to all sectors, i am afraid and it is upto those in the respective fields to realize this simple logic before it could be too late for them.
Dawi,

I said that it is not politics of scale rather it is economies of scale (it is simply the economy that dictates it, we may like it or dislike it, it would going to happen). Did I hear Sheik ALMudin is the most successful business man in Ethiopia? If so, rest assured, he knows more than most of us, where to put his money.

Do you think the Sheik is not versed in understanding where to find the supply to such a mega factory before concieving a mega factory, without any viable business blue print for it?

Don't forget also that Ethiopia just introduced tractors into the hands of the small farmers in the country for the first time in the whole of its whole history...


If you think that, then no wounder that you and me are poor dreamers and people like the Sheik are true makers,....

Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 17:55
by Dawi
DefendTheTruth wrote:
29 Apr 2020, 17:37
Dawi,

I said that it is not politics of scale rather it is economies of scale (it is simply the economy that dictates it, we may like it or dislike it, it would going to happen). Did I hear Sheik ALMudin is the most successful business man in Ethiopia? If so, rest assured, he knows more than most of us, where to put his money.

Do you think the Sheik is not versed in understanding where to find the supply to such a mega factory before concieving a mega factory, without any viable business blue print for it?

Don't forget also that Ethiopia just introduced tractors into the hands of the small farmers in the country for the first time in the whole of its whole history...


If you think that, then no wounder that you and me are poor dreamers and people like the Sheik are true makers,....
Defend,

What "economics of scale" are you talking about? :P

I guess you didn't listen to Ethio 360 lately?

The collusion of "ተረኞች" with Abnet/MEDROC; the resignation of Dr. Arega etc?

Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 30 Apr 2020, 03:51
by DefendTheTruth
Dawi wrote:
29 Apr 2020, 17:55

Defend,

I guess you didn't listen to Ethio 360 lately?
Dawi,

you couldn't have done me any worse than expecting me to listen to the duriye guys of so called 360 or what ever.

Is it not the same club of the likes of Ermias Legesse, someone who has morally liquidated himself already by openly lying in the public.

Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 30 Apr 2020, 03:58
by DefendTheTruth
In economic terms the phrase "mass production" doesn't necessarily mean also voluminous amount but mainly signifies the fact that the production process doesn't always trive to differentiate the end products. The process is more or less uniformly designed, for the sake of "efficiency", and the end-products are destined to have same over-all product properties.

There is lack of differentiation on the product level.

Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 30 Apr 2020, 05:20
by Dawi
DefendTheTruth wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 03:51
Dawi wrote:
29 Apr 2020, 17:55

Defend,

I guess you didn't listen to Ethio 360 lately?
Dawi,

you couldn't have done me any worse than expecting me to listen to the duriye guys of so called 360 or what ever.

Is it not the same club of the likes of Ermias Legesse, someone who has morally liquidated himself already by openly lying in the public.
Defend,

I guess I forgot your past stand on Balderas & my argument with you regarding Eskinder consequently Ermias. I can't believe you've the audacity to call these guys "duriye". Dr. Abiy and Jawar won't have the stomach to call such well known Ethiopian activists with such slanderous name. We remember the PM had declared respectable soft "war" on Eskinder a while ago but, that shows you how highly he sees his "foe".

Be that as it may, I know Ermias & Habtamu get carried away sometimes but, they're not somebody to ignore completely as you seem to have done because their track records speaks volumes.

I like the word "ተረኞች" because for better or worse it's an alarm bell for the new rulers that goes off every time they make decisions favoring their own ethnic group. It was because TPLF wasn't told not to do ethnic favoritism from the get go that made it today end up congregate/locked up in Mekele Hotel. What a shame! So I consider Ethio-360 one mirror and a watch dog against those "ተረኞች" of today in p2. So please don't rule these folks out because Ethiopia needs them.

So, Takele confiscated all "fenced" AA land for years by MEDROC; Right? Now, Abinet shows up and offered things that makes Takele look/feel good! May not have anything to do with "economic of scale" but, a temporary show off; fluffy stuff for the coming election. Is that possible? Well, Ethio-360 thinks so and has sources that tell them that the land confiscation from MEDROC has loosened up. What do you say to that?

Well, what about the following video? Did Eskinder or Ethio-360 made it up? NOT!

We can question both sides of the story but, can't rule out just one side as you do, is what I am saying.


Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 30 Apr 2020, 08:05
by Ethoash
Dawi

u r talking which one come first egg or hen.. which one come first wheat or mega bakery...

the small bakery had a lot of chance to form one mega bakery but they did not do that .. so we want make them make money at our lose...yes, what u said about wheat shortage and they could not bake i understand that part but one of them could have started their own farm and supply their own bakery..

Al Amoudi have a mega rice farm in Ethiopia .. if he can farm rice then he can farm wheat ...i always have theory about for those who said mega factory come to destroy small mama and papa bakery or store....my answer is very simple when When life gives you lemons, make lemonade .... when Al Amoudi give u cheap bread make a Sandwich..

in other time people were hating on Al Amodi for producing Gold but all i say was why not buy the gold and make it to gold jewelry and sale the jewelry at airport tax free zone.. and make ten time of what the raw gold fetch ... the same with bread.. if you sale bread you might get only one birr but if u sale Sandwich u might make ten birr..

another thing u must understand also business are not forever we should not support them they should stand by themselves and move with the time u cant say we have to support analog phone company, tape cassette company saying they support million of workers.. u have to move with the time... sorry DDT is 100% right the small bakery will not go any where there are some people who enjoy small bakery quality ... even here in USA there are mega bread factory but they did not displaced the small bakery....



there is a lot of hate toward Al Amodi so if the top CEO fire what would surprise me ... to me Al Amodi engaged in Business in Ethiopia not to make profit but he have a lot of love for his country .. as he is first born Ethiopian and pure Ethiopia all his heart is in Ethiopia no body can take away this from him .. almost all his business come about from what Ethiopia need then what make him money .. beside all his money that he make in Ethiopia invested in Ethiopia he doesn't take money out of his business in Ethiopia .....

ለምን ይህ ከመጣ ለምን የድፎ ዳቦ የሚስሩትን አፈናቅሎ አይደለም የጣልያንን ዳቦ መስራት የጀመሩት ስለዚህ ለምን ወድ ድሮዋችን ድፎ ድቦ መጋገር በቅጠል አንጀምርም። ለምን በመኪሃ እንሄዳለን ጋሪችንን ጥለን። ለምን ሱፍ ከውጭ እናስመጣለን ጥብቆችን እያለ። አረ አደከምከኝ ገና ዳቦው ተጋግሮ ሳይዳረስ ይህ ሁሉ ምቀኝነት የት ያደርስናል አንድ የአለሙዲ ዳቦ ቤት አዲስባ ቢችል ነው ሌላው ከተማሳ ለምን ዳቦ አያምራቸውም ውይ። አረ ገና ምኑም ሳይስራ በቃን አትበል። ገና ምን አይተሃል የፈረንጅ ዶሮ በሚሊዬን የሚያረባ አንድ ድርጅት ቢመጣ ምን ት ሆናለህ። የአገር በቀልን ዶሮ ገበያ ገደለው ልትል ነው። ዲዲቲ እንዳለው እኔ ምርጫ ቢኖረኝ አንድ ቀንም የፈርንጆቹን ዶሮ አልበላም የአገር ቤታችን ዶሮ በጣም ጥራት ያለው ነው ገንዘብም ለመክፈል ምንም ቅር አይለኝም። ይህ ማለት ግን በአመት አንድ ዶሮ የሚበላን ሕዝብ ጉሮሮ ልዘጋ የፈርንጅ ዶሮ እርባታን አልቃወምም።

እንዳለሙዲ አይነት ካፓኒ መቶም አይበቃን እንኳን አንድ።። ስለዚህ ምንም አትፍራ ። እኔ በምሮርበት ከተማ ወልማርት ሲመጣ ትንንሽ ሱቆችን ይዘጋል በለው ነበር ግን ወልማርት ብዙ ሰው ሳበላቸው በዚህ ላይ የመኪና ማቆሚያ መጨነቃቸውን አቆሙ በጣም ተጠቃሚ ሆኑ። ሚሊዬኖችን ገብያተኛ በመሳብ። አሁንም የአለሙዲ ዳቦ በመላው አገሪቱ በማከፋፈል በርካሽ በብቃት ዳቦ የለም ሳይባል መዳረሱ ብቻ ለኔ አንድ እፎይታ ነው። ዶቦ ያረረበት ስንት አለ በአስር ብር መግዛት ቀርቶ በብር ገዝቶ ረሀቡን ሲያስታገስ ከዚህ በላይ ደስታ የሚስጠኝ የለም።

አንዳንድ ጠማማዎች አልሙዲ ሲሚንቶ ፋብሪካ ሲያቋቅም ይህንኑ ነበር ያሉት ግን አለሙዲ ሲሚንቶ አምስት መቶ የነበረውን ሲሚንቶ በአንድ መቶ አምሳ ሲሽጠው የሲሚንቶ እጥረት በአንዴ ተቀርፎ ዋጋውም በአንዴ ውርዶ ሕዝቡ እፎይታ አግኝቶ ቤቱን መስራት ችሎዋል። አረ ስንቱን ባልኩት ግን ።። እንደኔ ከሆነ ብ ዙ ባልኩ ጥሩ ነበር ፤

አለሙዲ ከክተማው ከንቲፓ ጋራ መስራቱ በጣም ብልጠቱን ነው የሚያሳየው። ከንቲፓው ልክ እንደራሱ ፕሮጀክት ሙሉ አቴንሽን ስጥቶ ታክስም እዳ ቀንሶለት ፤ መሬት በነፃ ስጥቶት ።። ዳቦ ቤቱን ያቀላጥፈዋል። አትርሱ ይሄው ከንቲፓ ነበር የአለሙዲን መሬት የወረስበት አለሙዲ ከመናደድ በማር አፉን አበስው ከዚህ በኋላ እጅ ለእጅ ተያይዘው ይገስግሳሉ ማለት ነው።

ዲዲት የግል ይሁን መንግስት ምን አገባው ብለኸናል ግን ይህ ኢትዬዽያ መሆኑን አትርሳ ። ኤልያስ አመልጋ የተሳስተውም ይህን ነው ። እሱ በአሜሪካኖች ሲስተም መሄድ ፍልግ ምንም ጉቦ አለመስጠት ነበር የፈለገው ግን ይህ ጨዋታ አይሆንም አለበለዚያ ኢትዬዽያ ውስጥ አት ስረያ ያሳብዱሀል ወይ ጉቦ ስጥ ወይ ንግድ አትጀምር እንዳታበድ።

ቻይኖችና ሕንዶች ግጥም አርገው ጉቦ ይስጣሉ ቱርኮችም ጭምር ለዚህ ነው ለነሱ ንግዱ ዓለም የቀለለላቸው የባንክም ብድር የሚያገኙት ። ታድያ አራዳ ጀርመኖች ይህንን ሲያዩ የነሱ ድርጅቶች ከአፍሪካ ውጭ መሆናቸውን ሲያዩ ግቦ መስጠት ልክ እንደቢዝነስ ቆጥረውት ታክስ እፎይታ ይስጡሃል ። ግቦ ስጥቻለው ብለህ ለታክስ ስታመለክት እፎይታህን ታገኛለህ በግልፀ የሚደረግ ድርጊት ነው። ጀርመኖች ምንም ድብብቆሽ አያውቁም ታድያ አንድ ካፓን ለካናዳው መሪ ጉቦ ስጥቻለሁ ብሎ ታክሱ ላይ ሞልቶ ። ካናዳዎች መሪያቸውን ከስው ግቦውን አስመለሱት መስለኝ።

Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 01 May 2020, 17:32
by Sadacha Macca
the economist professor ethoash does make sense here. interesting.

Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:04
by Dawi
Sadacha Macca wrote:
01 May 2020, 17:32
the economist professor ethoash does make sense here. interesting.
Sadacha - I concur! It is nice to hear from Ethoash.
Ethoash wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 08:05
አረ አደከምከኝ ገና ዳቦው ተጋግሮ ሳይዳረስ ይህ ሁሉ "ምቀኝነት" የት ያደርስናል አንድ የአለሙዲ ዳቦ ቤት አዲስባ ቢችል ነው ሌላው ከተማሳ ለምን ዳቦ አያምራቸውም ውይ። አረ ገና ምኑም ሳይስራ በቃን አትበል።
Ethoash,

What አለሙዲ/Abinet/MEDROC are doing is offering a disguised "bribe" to get all their land parcels confiscated by the mayor back; that is the way I understood it. So, "economic of scale" don't have anything to do with it. The mega bakery may end up a big loser; that is after destroying small and medium sized bakeries; Abinet care less as long he gets his parcels back.

If one has "ምቀኝነት"? Then, Say, Eskinder? it's only because he doesn't have the authority to confiscate አለሙዲ's land to demand such a huge "bribe"! :lol:

BTW, all "dictatorships" wish to own their own huge bakeries to survive against the youth uprising. Mostly, the input wheat is filled with flour/food aid from developed countries. Egypt is a good example of that. They're incompetent or don't have land/water to grow their own; as far as Dr. Abiy/p2 is concerned, we don't know yet but, we hope and trust good will come out of it.

In our country's constitution, Article 40? don't allow citizens to own land; the ethnic pimps own it all, sell it etc. So, how can citizens grow wheat? Remember EFFORT? Once upon a time, they owned what ever they wanted in Ethiopia; borrowed tens of millions from Banks and cancelled the loans as non-performing too! In the same talking, there are those "ተረኞች" Oromo extremists in p2 and elsewhere who want to do the same as Woyane did.

Ethoash - Good to hear from you!

Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 25 Jun 2020, 11:47
by jennifer





Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 25 Jun 2020, 12:05
by simbe11
I live in Addis where bread is in shortage.
Most bakers provide reasonable bread for reasonable prices.
There is this bakery called “Shoa Dabo”. Simply put, thief.
The quantity of their bread is ridiculous.
Shame on Shoa Dabo

Re: The Addis Ababa city administration should get out of this and leave it for the private business

Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 01:46
by Ethoash
ዳዊት ት ዝ ይልሀል የጉራጌ ዳቦ በእግር የትቦካ ልክ እንደ ጭቃ በእግር ነው የሚያቦኩት ከዚያም ፍርኖ ዳቦ አስመስለው በመስራት በየሱቃቸው ይሽጡታል ። ታድያ የአራዳ ልጅ ነኝ የሚሉ አንድ ፍርኖ ዳቦና አንድ ኮካ ገዘተው አለም ዘጠኝ ማለት ነው። የዛሬ ወጣቶች ደግሞ እጅ ያነካው በእግር ያልተቦካ ዳቦ በየቦታው ሲያገኙ ምን ያህል እድለኞች ይሆኑ ይሆን።። ታድያ ለአለሙዲን ይህቺን ቁራጭ መሬት አይደለም ጠቅላላ የአዲስባ መሬት ቢስጠው ይቆጫል ወይ እንዲህ የሚስራበት ከሆነ።

መለስተኛ ዶቦ ቤቶች ችጋራሞች ስለሆኑ በእንጨት ነው የሚጋግሩት ይህ ማለት አገራችንን በረሀ ያረጉታል ከዚሁ ካልተቀጩ ። አላሙዲን መቶ ሺህ ዳቦ ሲጋገር በኤሌትሪክ በመሆኑ ታላቅ አስዋፆ ለምድራችን ያረጋል። እንዳልኩት መለስተኛ ዳቦ ቤቶች በአቅማቸው የተሻሻለ ማሽን ማስገባት ወይም አገር ቤት ውስጥ በማስራት ትልቅ ለውጥ በኑራቸውና በንግዳቸው ማረግ ይችላሉ ። ሁሉንም ትልቁ የአላሙዲ ዳቦ ቤት የሚስራውን በትንሽ ማሽን ይስራሉ ማለት ነው። ግን የግለስቦች ዳቦ ከጅምላ ከሚመረተው የአለሙዲ ዳቦ ስለሚሻል ገበያ የሚቀዘቅዝባቸው አይመስለኝም።




if those small bakery want to improve then they have to call Ayder ,,,,