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[Horus]

I am sure only a very few people will take essential lessons from the calamity that is taking over the world.

1. Humans shall not be so greedy like the Chinese.

2. Humans shall not eat everything and anything that exist between heaven and earth.

3. Humans shall practice religion, spirituality, moral constraints and civilized code of conduct.

4. Humans shall not worship blind connectivity and crass globalism.

5. Humans shall practice certain degree of ethics, esthetics, wisdom and sense of humility.

6. Humans must recognize and accept the power of one tiny germ over the fallacy of man's limitless greed and stupidity.

7. Humans shall celebrate the supreme Ethiopian wisdom of clean food, fasting, praying, fear of God and the sinfulness of greed.

8 Humans must recognize that a seemingly omnipotent material culture can be dismantled into nothingness by a single microscopic virus.

The fool can labor all his life gathering stuff only to lose it in a moment of folly !

አልጠግብ ያለ ሲተፋ ያድራል !!

Stay safe & Ker !!!

[Andertan]

Well done HORUS

[opmerc]

You are allowed to be upset Horus but what's happening has nothing to do with superiority of one culture over the other or the Chinese. Applying the same xenophobic brush applied in the west to Ebola and Africans forward on the Chinese is not a healthy way to deal with this issue.

Especially now when tensions are high, it's important to keep perspective that just because the Chinese experienced this virus first doesn't mean it's their fault.

[Horus]

opmerc,

Likewise, I respect your observation of what is happening in the world. But, why do you introduce extraneous examples and comparatives in a clear case where you are able to simply state your take on the matter. It does not matter to me what America said in the case of Ebola; or any other case. The Chinese sea food seekers introduced this virus to the world. That is the fact. It is up to each person to make her/his evaluation and characterization of that fact.

As for superiority and inferiority of cultures, I really did not get your point. As we speak, this disease is brought to Ethiopia by foreigners. This is a fact, not bad mouthing anybody. Ethiopian are poor people, but pure people in a sense they live a morally constrained valued and wise life. They shall not be part of this crass Chinese drama.

Building the lifeless mass, roads, stone, building - Egyptians did better than the Chinese engineer. Human civilization is not merely piling up stones and cement.

Ker

[Andertan]

WELL DONE HORUS

[Horus]

[Horus]

Bill Gates -

10 ሚሊዮን አፍሪካዊያን እንደ ሚሞቱ ተናገረ ። ከዚህ ቁጥር ስንቱ ኢትዮጵያዊያን ይሆኑ ይሆን?

[Horus]

Listen to poor Bernie!

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[Deqi-Arawit]

I am sure only a very few people will take essential lessons from the calamity that is taking over the world.

1. Humans shall not be so greedy like the Chinese.

2. Humans shall not eat everything and anything that exist between heaven and earth.

3. Humans shall practice religion, spirituality, moral constraints and civilized code of conduct.

4. Humans shall not worship blind connectivity and crass globalism.

5. Humans shall practice certain degree of ethics, esthetics, wisdom and sense of humility.

6. Humans must recognize and accept the power of one tiny germ over the fallacy of man's limitless greed and stupidity.

7. Humans shall celebrate the supreme Ethiopian wisdom of clean food, fasting, praying, fear of God and the sinfulness of greed.

8 Humans must recognize that a seemingly omnipotent material culture can be dismantled into nothingness by a single microscopic virus.

The fool can labor all his life gathering stuff only to lose it in a moment of folly !

አልጠግብ ያለ ሲተፋ ያድራል !!

Stay safe & Ker !!!

I can't agree more. These slanty eyes chinese are going to kill humanity.
Bravo

[opmerc]

opmerc,

Likewise, I respect your observation of what is happening in the world. But, why do you introduce extraneous examples and comparatives in a clear case where you are able to simply state your take on the matter. It does not matter to me what America said in the case of Ebola; or any other case. The Chinese sea food seekers introduced this virus to the world. That is the fact. It is up to each person to make her/his evaluation and characterization of that fact.

As for superiority and inferiority of cultures, I really did not get your point. As we speak, this disease is brought to Ethiopia by foreigners. This is a fact, not bad mouthing anybody. Ethiopian are poor people, but pure people in a sense they live a morally constrained valued and wise life. They shall not be part of this crass Chinese drama.

Building the lifeless mass, roads, stone, building - Egyptians did better than the Chinese engineer. Human civilization is not merely piling up stones and cement.

Ker

I added that example because it's one of the most clear and personal ways of seeing when people looked for easy answers and for someone to blame when bad things happened in the world. It does matter what people did back then because Africans were discriminated behind those labels. Still are to this day in fact. Doing the same thing now to Chinese when you don't even have definitive answers on the origin means innocent people will be victimized behind it. I am certain at some point in time we might one day be the origin of such a disease and have our people subjected to similar unfair attacks. Just flippantly saying we can never produce similar viruses is incredibly naive. It's a question of numbers and time. It will happen.

And I have no idea what infrastructure building or the Egyptians (I assume you mean ancient) have anything to do with this subject. Plagues have originated from most great civilizations. Over 50 million people died behind the Bubonic Plague and it nearly wiped out all of Europe. Doesn't mean their achievements meant something less because of it.

[sun]

opmerc,

Likewise, I respect your observation of what is happening in the world. But, why do you introduce extraneous examples and comparatives in a clear case where you are able to simply state your take on the matter. It does not matter to me what America said in the case of Ebola; or any other case. The Chinese sea food seekers introduced this virus to the world. That is the fact. It is up to each person to make her/his evaluation and characterization of that fact.

As for superiority and inferiority of cultures, I really did not get your point. As we speak, this disease is brought to Ethiopia by foreigners. This is a fact, not bad mouthing anybody. Ethiopian are poor people, but pure people in a sense they live a morally constrained valued and wise life. They shall not be part of this crass Chinese drama.

Building the lifeless mass, roads, stone, building - Egyptians did better than the Chinese engineer. Human civilization is not merely piling up stones and cement.

Ker

I am not a politician but yet actually that the news that the source of the virus is China is not a fact but only fiction since there is no researched scientific evidence of any sort other than story telling and unbaked tell telling propaganda.

We are still waiting for the verifiable scientific fact before making stereotypical generalizations. Right now the world is just some sort of a single global village where humans from all over the world happens to interact culturally, economically, socially, politically, etc. In that sense humans bring together their capitals, investments, know-hows, labor forces, etc. in order to make the world a better place for all. In that sense we all share both the good and the bad on this interactive planet earth. It is bad to blame others when bad things happen and praise others only when we have good things for us. Blaming China for every thing including the current virus is being manufactured by some fascist right wing US klan propagandists while some Ethiopian fascists are now blaming both the whites and the Chines just to feel good and have their deformed moral upper ground. FCK THEM! And the Chines are used to that through out historical times to the present.

Yes, Africans have been stereotypically blamed by racists for the spread of Ebola because Africans are said to be eating Monkeys. Even then Ebola medications have been developed by non Africans and saved lots of lives. Pointing fingers at foreigners for world problems and becoming dimwitted xenophobic chauvinists is utterly wrong. Xenophobia did not help even South African jobless who regularly use extreme violence against their own African brothers and sisters in their own country is just barbaric displaced savage aggression against innocent helping kind people which we need not imitate. We in Ethiopia should not succumb to such primitive despair and barbarism just to prove how back ward and primitive hopeless creatures.

That the Chines can build mass roads, stone buildings, medicines and medical equipment, transportation technologies, and related mass productions at affordable costs to help the exploding world population growth at the cost of their own working population is an admirable job. Lots of very needed and wanted medicines that are currently being used all over the world are produced in China and supporting life and living everywhere in the world, both West and East. Thank you China! Thumbs UP!

[sun]

I am sure only a very few people will take essential lessons from the calamity that is taking over the world.

1. Humans shall not be so greedy like the Chinese.

2. Humans shall not eat everything and anything that exist between heaven and earth.

3. Humans shall practice religion, spirituality, moral constraints and civilized code of conduct.

4. Humans shall not worship blind connectivity and crass globalism.

5. Humans shall practice certain degree of ethics, esthetics, wisdom and sense of humility.

6. Humans must recognize and accept the power of one tiny germ over the fallacy of man's limitless greed and stupidity.

7. Humans shall celebrate the supreme Ethiopian wisdom of clean food, fasting, praying, fear of God and the sinfulness of greed.

8 Humans must recognize that a seemingly omnipotent material culture can be dismantled into nothingness by a single microscopic virus.

The fool can labor all his life gathering stuff only to lose it in a moment of folly !

አልጠግብ ያለ ሲተፋ ያድራል !!

Stay safe & Ker !!!

I can't agree more. These slanty eyes chinese are going to kill humanity.
Bravo

Really?

Arawit,

Xenophobic fascist. Please put on your Hitler mustache and smile after you disgorged the garbage.

How about that if other fascists demean and degrade you on the basis of your color, hair structure, size, religion, etc.?

Don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you" ~Confucius

[Horus]

This is Horus. I hate to mince words. In this age of twits, I say my point in less than one paragraph. As the poet said,
Tell me quick,
And, tell me true;
Otherwise sir,
To hell with you.

You can go ahead and discuss the etiology of Corv19. One can trace the cause of every event to the big bang. This particular virus travelled from the sea to human in Wuhan China. But, the point of my post is that all of this drama happens as a consequence of a particular human behavior - human culture. There is a reason why we don't eat donkeys and other strange sea and land creatures. There is a reason why we have values, moralities, code of conducts and sense of boundaries. ስድ ካልቸር አሁን ያለውን ኩሉ አለም ጥፋት ያስከትላል !

[opmerc]

This is Horus. I hate to mince words. In this age of twits, I say my point in less than one paragraph. As the poet said,
Tell me quick,
And, tell me true;
Otherwise sir,
To hell with you.

You can go ahead and discuss the etiology of Corv19. One can trace the cause of every event to the big bang. This particular virus travelled from the sea to human in Wuhan China. But, the point of my post is that all of this drama happens as a consequence of a particular human behavior - human culture. There is a reason why we don't eat donkeys and other strange sea and land creatures. There is a reason why we have values, moralities, code of conducts and sense of boundaries. ስድ ካልቸር አሁን ያለውን ኩሉ አለም ጥፋት ያስከትላል !

Sure, the reason things are in the state they are is due to human behavior. Only, the origins of any virus is not relevant to the chaos it creates. An asteroid could crash on earth tomorrow and deliver such pestilence and we will find ourselves in the exact same mess. Tomorrow Ethiopia could dig something out of the ground that is capable of killing every living thing on earth and it still wouldn't be our fault or a mark on our culture.

There is no cause for you to feel better about not being the origin of this virus if there are million other ways a similar deadly virus could develop.

A sign of true morality, culture and code of conduct is one that recognizes this simple fact and puts that energy towards where it matters most, solving the crisis before it claims us all.

[Naga Tuma]

Horus,

I thought about a constructive input in your rich observation, which I wish to call attributes of nobility. Perhaps, I can draw your attention to our people's culture of ሆፈን that I know you know about because I have read you write about it on this forum. Based on that culture and further readings, I happen to think that in the world of nobles, humility and supreme can't be written on the same page.

I had that reaction before I read opmerc's reaction. Then again, I also think his subsequent reaction made the reaction for a reasonable reason worse by missing the whole theme of your attributes, which is the constraints of a well developed culture. Surprisingly, it appears that he happens to think innately that the boundaries of these attributes are bound to be broken even in Ethiopia. In my view, it is a lapse of judgment of the well developed Ethiopian culture. When you are a human, you are bounded by the trajectory of nobility, which is timeless.

I have in the past observed participants jump to your comments for a reasonable reason only to end up making the reason for jumping in worse, at least in my view.

It is hard for me to reach a conclusion that sea food seeking might be the source of a microscopic virus. However, I can't fail to admire the reaction of the current Chinese government in mobilizing its resources in a short time to stabilize the outbreak. More than the graphic depiction of the virus on TV, I remember what appeared to be a marketplace of bulldozers building quarantine and treatment centers in China that I watched on TV. It is a reaction of a genius governance of its own people.

To add a little more about our people's well developed culture, I wish to draw you to two words in Afan Oromo: ሰፉ and ስፈ. If I can put in a few words, ሰፉ points to the boundary between humane and inhumane actions. ስፈ on the other hand points to what could be healthy or unhealthy. A rough translation into English could be assimilation. I don't know if the two words may be related in anyway. ስፈ probably was around since the times of plant and animal domestications. It expresses a desire to see what you eat assimilate into your body system. It is uttered before eating like Christians pray for blessing before eating.

It seems to me that the more we dig into our people's culture, the more we learn.

[DefendTheTruth]

This is Horus. I hate to mince words. In this age of twits, I say my point in less than one paragraph. As the poet said,
Tell me quick,
And, tell me true;
Otherwise sir,
To hell with you.

You can go ahead and discuss the etiology of Corv19. One can trace the cause of every event to the big bang. This particular virus travelled from the sea to human in Wuhan China. But, the point of my post is that all of this drama happens as a consequence of a particular human behavior - human culture. There is a reason why we don't eat donkeys and other strange sea and land creatures. There is a reason why we have values, moralities, code of conducts and sense of boundaries. ስድ ካልቸር አሁን ያለውን ኩሉ አለም ጥፋት ያስከትላል !

Well, you may not mince words, whatever that may mean, but still you have to admit that we, the better people in your own words, are dependent on those who are less qualified, whatever that may also mean, and not the other way round. Are you going to deny that?

The central question here is how we became dependent on those who are less qualified than us???

Can you explain, as someone who hates to mince words?

How and why we started the journey of downward spiraling trajectory from top to bottom while those who were at the bottom took the other direction and landed at the top, leaving us at the bottom?

Isn't the solution in identifying this central idea in the first place?

Part of the problem is that we have produced many people like you who are good at chest-thumping before we have seen any tangible evidence that they can make a meaningful impact on the ground and too many young people guided by the kinds of you and ended up being good at hurling stones and burning properties but never cared to go to school and invest their precious resources in trying to understand the world around them well and gain knowledge and use that gain to change the world around them in a meaningful way, for themselves and the rest of the world.

[Naga Tuma]

Sure, the reason things are in the state they are is due to human behavior.

You are not getting what you are being lectured. Humane behavior, which comes from the experience of age old wisdom, is different from the human behavior you are trying to lecture about.

[opmerc]

Sure, the reason things are in the state they are is due to human behavior.

You are not getting what you are being lectured. Humane behavior, which comes from the experience of age old wisdom, is different from the human behavior your are trying to lecture about.

I understand what he's attempting to say. I just disagree with his conclusions.

[Naga Tuma]

How and why we started the journey of downward spiraling trajectory from top to bottom while those who were at the bottom took the other direction and landed at the top, leaving us at the bottom?

DefendTheTruth,

Has Ethiopia lost the moral ground at any point in its long history? Even when he was in exile, Aste Haile Sellassie was making prophetic warnings on moral grounds, which time proved to be right. It is important to make a distinction between moral and material grounds.

[Naga Tuma]

Sure, the reason things are in the state they are is due to human behavior.

You are not getting what you are being lectured. Humane behavior, which comes from the experience of age old wisdom, is different from the human behavior you are trying to lecture about.

I understand what he's attempting to say. I just disagree with his conclusions.

Fair enough. So do I.