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[temari]

[DefendTheTruth]

I just started to watch and stopped it immediately. This tells me that this was the start of the fall of this sports initiative. Anyone who decided to mix sport and politics has decided to engineer the fall of its own.

This is true irrespective of my own views with regard to the views expressed in the scene of an sports event.

What a failure!

[temari]

[temari]

[opmerc]

I just started to watch and stopped it immediately. This tells me that this was the start of the fall of this sports initiative. Anyone who decided to mix sport and politics has decided to engineer the fall of its own.

This is true irrespective of my own views with regard to the views expressed in the scene of an sports event.

What a failure!

As far as expression of political viewpoints go, this is by far the healthiest of them all. Particularly in relation to the way Jawar's crowd has been acting. Singing patriotic songs and making jokes will always trump going out with weapons and screaming about bloodshed for every single issue. It's actually a tradition we ought to be encouraging more from all sides instead of coming out only to block roads or destroy property or worse.

Additionally, if you don't want people interjecting political viewpoints in sporting events or otherwise neutral gatherings, you ought to be demanding that the proper channels for political speech not be stifled. Otherwise it will bleed into every opportunity the public has when coming together to express their views.

That is why you must stand up and be counted when Oromo Police unjustly disrupt planned gatherings. So everyone can have their day to say what they feel and neutral gatherings can be left alone.

[Selam/]

Really? Were you hibernating for the last 19 years? This event has been the only opportunity where people get political rants off their chest. And it feels very good.

I just started to watch and stopped it immediately. This tells me that this was the start of the fall of this sports initiative. Anyone who decided to mix sport and politics has decided to engineer the fall of its own.

This is true irrespective of my own views with regard to the views expressed in the scene of an sports event.

What a failure!

[TGAA]

The weyane stooge Tewelde ordered the Ethiopian airliaince Green, Yellow , red logo to be printed all in white. Notice Ethiopians Wesyane and Jawarians are dead set against us. Make them know that we know their snake nature -- . Here is the Glorious beauty . Long live Ethiopia.
our forefathers paid in their blood and we are ready to pay it in kind so you continue to stand Gloriously . No less will do.

[opmerc]

The Ethiopian Airlines logo being printed in white has nothing to do with it being some political statement. Printing your brand with a gray-scale version is a very common practice because often one has to represent that brand against a colored background which may clash with the existing style.

That T-shirt is a dark green making it hard to display different sponsor logos. So they were all printed in their white versions.

Please let's not invent things to be upset about when there are a million real things happening on the ground that are backed by real evidence.

[DefendTheTruth]

I just started to watch and stopped it immediately. This tells me that this was the start of the fall of this sports initiative. Anyone who decided to mix sport and politics has decided to engineer the fall of its own.

This is true irrespective of my own views with regard to the views expressed in the scene of an sports event.

What a failure!

As far as expression of political viewpoints go, this is by far the healthiest of them all. Particularly in relation to the way Jawar's crowd has been acting. Singing patriotic songs and making jokes will always trump going out with weapons and screaming about bloodshed for every single issue. It's actually a tradition we ought to be encouraging more from all sides instead of coming out only to block roads or destroy property or worse.

Additionally, if you don't want people interjecting political viewpoints in sporting events or otherwise neutral gatherings, you ought to be demanding that the proper channels for political speech not be stifled. Otherwise it will bleed into every opportunity the public has when coming together to express their views.

That is why you must stand up and be counted when Oromo Police unjustly disrupt planned gatherings. So everyone can have their day to say what they feel and neutral gatherings can be left alone.

If you decide to abuse the privilege given to you to promote sport and the spirit it represents, then the next logical consequence is to revoke that privilege, which you already abused anyway.

Stifled?

Do you understand the meaning of stifling?

Man set you free from a gulag where you could have spent the better part of your life to come out and exercise your freedom in politics, social and economic arena, which you then turn around and abuse here and there to come back around and claim your rights were stifled?

This shows only one thing that I said already at the beginning, which is how much your camp is ungrateful collection!

Come back and claim, shamelessly again, that during the era of your masters, the Woyane, you could have even dreamed to legally organise and promote your rights within the legal framework let alone claim an organisation that has no legal status according to the law of the land and try to challange legal institutions of the country by an illegal means.

And now you claim your rights are stifled, what a waste!

[Selam/]

...Woyane era? Still hibernating? That point of reference is long gone, never to come back. You’ll slip trip into a ditch unless you stop braiding your tail while walking.

I just started to watch and stopped it immediately. This tells me that this was the start of the fall of this sports initiative. Anyone who decided to mix sport and politics has decided to engineer the fall of its own.

This is true irrespective of my own views with regard to the views expressed in the scene of an sports event.

What a failure!

As far as expression of political viewpoints go, this is by far the healthiest of them all. Particularly in relation to the way Jawar's crowd has been acting. Singing patriotic songs and making jokes will always trump going out with weapons and screaming about bloodshed for every single issue. It's actually a tradition we ought to be encouraging more from all sides instead of coming out only to block roads or destroy property or worse.

Additionally, if you don't want people interjecting political viewpoints in sporting events or otherwise neutral gatherings, you ought to be demanding that the proper channels for political speech not be stifled. Otherwise it will bleed into every opportunity the public has when coming together to express their views.

That is why you must stand up and be counted when Oromo Police unjustly disrupt planned gatherings. So everyone can have their day to say what they feel and neutral gatherings can be left alone.

If you decide to abuse the privilege given to you to promote sport and the spirit it represents, then the next logical consequence is to revoke that privilege, which you already abused anyway.

Stifled?

Do you understand the meaning of stifling?

Man set you free from a gulag where you could have spent the better part of your life to come out and exercise your freedom in politics, social and economic arena, which you then turn around and abuse here and there to come back around and claim your rights were stifled?

This shows only one thing that I said already at the beginning, which is how much your camp is ungrateful collection!

Come back and claim, shamelessly again, that during the era of your masters, the Woyane, you could have even dreamed to legally organise and promote your rights within the legal framework let alone claim an organisation that has no legal status according to the law of the land and try to challange legal institutions of the country by an illegal means.

And now you claim your rights are stifled, what a waste!

[DefendTheTruth]

...Woyane era? Still hibernating? That point of reference is long gone, never to come back. You’ll slip trip into a ditch unless you stop braiding your tail while walking.

I just started to watch and stopped it immediately. This tells me that this was the start of the fall of this sports initiative. Anyone who decided to mix sport and politics has decided to engineer the fall of its own.

This is true irrespective of my own views with regard to the views expressed in the scene of an sports event.

What a failure!

As far as expression of political viewpoints go, this is by far the healthiest of them all. Particularly in relation to the way Jawar's crowd has been acting. Singing patriotic songs and making jokes will always trump going out with weapons and screaming about bloodshed for every single issue. It's actually a tradition we ought to be encouraging more from all sides instead of coming out only to block roads or destroy property or worse.

Additionally, if you don't want people interjecting political viewpoints in sporting events or otherwise neutral gatherings, you ought to be demanding that the proper channels for political speech not be stifled. Otherwise it will bleed into every opportunity the public has when coming together to express their views.

That is why you must stand up and be counted when Oromo Police unjustly disrupt planned gatherings. So everyone can have their day to say what they feel and neutral gatherings can be left alone.

If you decide to abuse the privilege given to you to promote sport and the spirit it represents, then the next logical consequence is to revoke that privilege, which you already abused anyway.

Stifled?

Do you understand the meaning of stifling?

Man set you free from a gulag where you could have spent the better part of your life to come out and exercise your freedom in politics, social and economic arena, which you then turn around and abuse here and there to come back around and claim your rights were stifled?

This shows only one thing that I said already at the beginning, which is how much your camp is ungrateful collection!

Come back and claim, shamelessly again, that during the era of your masters, the Woyane, you could have even dreamed to legally organise and promote your rights within the legal framework let alone claim an organisation that has no legal status according to the law of the land and try to challange legal institutions of the country by an illegal means.

And now you claim your rights are stifled, what a waste!

Attention seeker,

I do hate replying to idiots who have got no idea to share with others but come over to a public forum and show their filthy mouth to the public and disappear, constantly.

Can you show me any idea that you ever presented to the rest of the forumers except your mostly 1 liner filthy toungue? Gim af!

[opmerc]

If you decide to abuse the privilege given to you to promote sport and the spirit it represents, then the next logical consequence is to revoke that privilege, which you already abused anyway.

Stifled?

Do you understand the meaning of stifling?

Man set you free from a gulag where you could have spent the better part of your life to come out and exercise your freedom in politics, social and economic arena, which you then turn around and abuse here and there to come back around and claim your rights were stifled?

This shows only one thing that I said already at the beginning, which is how much your camp is ungrateful collection!

Come back and claim, shamelessly again, that during the era of your masters, the Woyane, you could have even dreamed to legally organise and promote your rights within the legal framework let alone claim an organisation that has no legal status according to the law of the land and try to challange legal institutions of the country by an illegal means.

And now you claim your rights are stifled, what a waste!

I don't see how what they did was contrary to the spirit of the sport and what it represents. They came out in celebratory moods asking for peace, that they love their country and won't be intimidated. They didn't threaten anyone, hurt people or break anything. They mocked Jawar for his cowardice instead of emulating the violence he threatened them with. That is in every way keeping up with the spirit of the sport and what it ought to represent.

Yes I understand the meaning of stifling. That is why I used the term. It applies perfectly to the attempts being made by some members of Oromo region police. It doesn't mean that it didn't also happen during TPLF. Oromo police didn't liberate anyone from TPLF, they just stopped carrying out it's orders.

Freedom of speech, within the bounds of reason, can either exist universally or not exist at all. If it has truly arrived to the ones 'free from gulags' as you put it, how can it be an abuse for them to actually exercise it? Even more so when they are doing so with such civility?

It's your fault if you thought being grateful was going to mean being subservient to a new class of masters.

[Selam/]

Let me reduce my response even further: IDIOT!
I would not was my time on your useless comments.

...Woyane era? Still hibernating? That point of reference is long gone, never to come back. You’ll slip trip into a ditch unless you stop braiding your tail while walking.

I just started to watch and stopped it immediately. This tells me that this was the start of the fall of this sports initiative. Anyone who decided to mix sport and politics has decided to engineer the fall of its own.

This is true irrespective of my own views with regard to the views expressed in the scene of an sports event.

What a failure!

As far as expression of political viewpoints go, this is by far the healthiest of them all. Particularly in relation to the way Jawar's crowd has been acting. Singing patriotic songs and making jokes will always trump going out with weapons and screaming about bloodshed for every single issue. It's actually a tradition we ought to be encouraging more from all sides instead of coming out only to block roads or destroy property or worse.

Additionally, if you don't want people interjecting political viewpoints in sporting events or otherwise neutral gatherings, you ought to be demanding that the proper channels for political speech not be stifled. Otherwise it will bleed into every opportunity the public has when coming together to express their views.

That is why you must stand up and be counted when Oromo Police unjustly disrupt planned gatherings. So everyone can have their day to say what they feel and neutral gatherings can be left alone.

If you decide to abuse the privilege given to you to promote sport and the spirit it represents, then the next logical consequence is to revoke that privilege, which you already abused anyway.

Stifled?

Do you understand the meaning of stifling?

Man set you free from a gulag where you could have spent the better part of your life to come out and exercise your freedom in politics, social and economic arena, which you then turn around and abuse here and there to come back around and claim your rights were stifled?

This shows only one thing that I said already at the beginning, which is how much your camp is ungrateful collection!

Come back and claim, shamelessly again, that during the era of your masters, the Woyane, you could have even dreamed to legally organise and promote your rights within the legal framework let alone claim an organisation that has no legal status according to the law of the land and try to challange legal institutions of the country by an illegal means.

And now you claim your rights are stifled, what a waste!

Attention seeker,

I do hate replying to idiots who have got no idea to share with others but come over to a public forum and show their filthy mouth to the public and disappear, constantly.

Can you show me any idea that you ever presented to the rest of the forumers except your mostly 1 liner filthy toungue? Gim af!

[DefendTheTruth]

If you decide to abuse the privilege given to you to promote sport and the spirit it represents, then the next logical consequence is to revoke that privilege, which you already abused anyway.

Stifled?

Do you understand the meaning of stifling?

Man set you free from a gulag where you could have spent the better part of your life to come out and exercise your freedom in politics, social and economic arena, which you then turn around and abuse here and there to come back around and claim your rights were stifled?

This shows only one thing that I said already at the beginning, which is how much your camp is ungrateful collection!

Come back and claim, shamelessly again, that during the era of your masters, the Woyane, you could have even dreamed to legally organise and promote your rights within the legal framework let alone claim an organisation that has no legal status according to the law of the land and try to challange legal institutions of the country by an illegal means.

And now you claim your rights are stifled, what a waste!

I don't see how what they did was contrary to the spirit of the sport and what it represents. They came out in celebratory moods asking for peace, that they love their country and won't be intimidated. They didn't threaten anyone, hurt people or break anything. They mocked Jawar for his cowardice instead of emulating the violence he threatened them with. That is in every way keeping up with the spirit of the sport and what it ought to represent.

Yes I understand the meaning of stifling. That is why I used the term. It applies perfectly to the attempts being made by some members of Oromo region police. It doesn't mean that it didn't also happen during TPLF. Oromo police didn't liberate anyone from TPLF, they just stopped carrying out it's orders.

Freedom of speech, within the bounds of reason, can either exist universally or not exist at all. If it has truly arrived to the ones 'free from gulags' as you put it, how can it be an abuse for them to actually exercise it? Even more so when they are doing so with such civility?

It's your fault if you thought being grateful was going to mean being subservient to a new class of masters.

I thought at the beginning you could be someone with some degree of objectivity.

Who is that "new class of masters" now?

In my humble understanding the current government in the country is a coalition of different parties, it is not a single party rule. You might have a different view. As such no single party can impose its own will or program without the consent of the rest in the coalition, there might be a different share of proportion of the responsibilities in the government, according to a pre-agreed upon coalition agreement.

Among other things a coalition government is characterized by some degree of tolerance among the participating parties while executing the government affairs with regard to the individual party-level programs. There has to be a compromise, else the coalition-agreement will fail, like we know it everywhere in this world where such a setup is exercised, exa. the western democracies of Western Europe.

How would then that it could be possible that there is a "new class of masters", when we don't even have a single party rule in the country? The case of TPLF dominance was different, like we know because of the circumstances under which it came to power.

Do you think that the government policies that are implemented in the country today are just what one single party in the country wanted to be so?

You didn't explicitly say how your rights were stifled but I assume that you are referring to the endless claims by Eskinder Nega that some of his endless rallies were denied permission to be hold some times.

As such I must also claim that freedoms were stifled in many other western democracies too because there too there are some rallies which are not authorized to be held and are forbidden. If someone can't hold an unauthorized rallies, then that someone's freedom is stifled, that is what you say. On that scale there were stifling of freedom not only in Finfinne (Addis Ababa) for Eskinder Nega but also in many towns in the country where even as recently as the last month after the fiasco of so called qeerroo protests that Jawar Mohammad called and costed many precious human lives and much dire resource of the country, rally permissions were turned down by the respective authorities, siting some security concerns on the part of the government. I heard such cases in Jimma, Ambo and others, as an instance.

So, on such a scale freedoms are stifled in all those places, if it was not for your selective "concern" for the freedom that is being stifled, isn't it?

Yes, you agree that you were in the gulag yesterday and today you are already complaining about not have been granted full freedom, but never mind to ask yourself if you too are ready to exercise the unrestricted freedom properly, had it been offered to you.

That is also part of the freedom that is being stifled now which was used to exercise to go on rampage of killing government officials cold-bloodily after being assigned to execute the affairs of the people responsibly.


In my view you could have kept the sports scene free of politics and hate and use it to promote peace, love and unity of the people of the country. For your politics you have got many many more arenas, if you failed on those many other arenas, then abusing sport will not bring you any step forward, I am afraid.


Cher yegtemen.

[Masud]

Hodam Amhara




Sh!nt@m Amhara

[gadaa2]

They are using it for political expression and insulting the whole population surrounding Finfinne. It has a consequence.

[opmerc]

I thought at the beginning you could be someone with some degree of objectivity.

Who is that "new class of masters" now?

In my humble understanding the current government in the country is a coalition of different parties, it is not a single party rule. You might have a different view. As such no single party can impose its own will or program without the consent of the rest in the coalition, there might be a different share of proportion of the responsibilities in the government, according to a pre-agreed upon coalition agreement.

Among other things a coalition government is characterized by some degree of tolerance among the participating parties while executing the government affairs with regard to the individual party-level programs. There has to be a compromise, else the coalition-agreement will fail, like we know it everywhere in this world where such a setup is exercised, exa. the western democracies of Western Europe.

How would then that it could be possible that there is a "new class of masters", when we don't even have a single party rule in the country? The case of TPLF dominance was different, like we know because of the circumstances under which it came to power.

Do you think that the government policies that are implemented in the country today are just what one single party in the country wanted to be so?

You didn't explicitly say how your rights were stifled but I assume that you are referring to the endless claims by Eskinder Nega that some of his endless rallies were denied permission to be hold some times.

As such I must also claim that freedoms were stifled in many other western democracies too because there too there are some rallies which are not authorized to be held and are forbidden. If someone can't hold an unauthorized rallies, then that someone's freedom is stifled, that is what you say. On that scale there were stifling of freedom not only in Finfinne (Addis Ababa) for Eskinder Nega but also in many towns in the country where even as recently as the last month after the fiasco of so called qeerroo protests that Jawar Mohammad called and costed many precious human lives and much dire resource of the country, rally permissions were turned down by the respective authorities, siting some security concerns on the part of the government. I heard such cases in Jimma, Ambo and others, as an instance.

So, on such a scale freedoms are stifled in all those places, if it was not for your selective "concern" for the freedom that is being stifled, isn't it?

Yes, you agree that you were in the gulag yesterday and today you are already complaining about not have been granted full freedom, but never mind to ask yourself if you too are ready to exercise the unrestricted freedom properly, had it been offered to you.

That is also part of the freedom that is being stifled now which was used to exercise to go on rampage of killing government officials cold-bloodily after being assigned to execute the affairs of the people responsibly.


In my view you could have kept the sports scene free of politics and hate and use it to promote peace, love and unity of the people of the country. For your politics you have got many many more arenas, if you failed on those many other arenas, then abusing sport will not bring you any step forward, I am afraid.


Cher yegtemen.

Objectivity doesn't mean always sitting in the middle of every issue. It means making every effort to observe and evaluate a situation free from ones own bias and viewpoints. I've done that on many other situations before and I'm still doing that here. Based on the events of the past few months, from the recent killings to the intimidation tactics of some in regional government and Jawar, it is wholly appropriate for those who were the target of these actions to come out and voice their displeasure. When they do so with such tact and civility, it should also be celebrated. I would have zero problems doing the same for Jawar's thugs if they dropped their weapons and resorted to witty remarks instead.

The fact that you think Jawar's thugs ought to be shielded from the scrutiny of jokes, flag wavings and patriotic songs displays your lack of objectivity.

A new class of masters is any group that fought for the downfall of TPLF only because they thought it was their turn at dictatorship. No one is entitled to something special or different because of their participation in that downfall. They are also not entitled to revising such recent history in claiming they are the sole people responsible for the downfall. When they talk and walk like they are entitled to such things, then it can be said that they are trying to be a new class of masters.

I don't know why you are talking about coalitions or compromises, I made no inference to the balance of power within former-EPRDF. I am referring to select members both in and out of government who feel it is Oromo's turn to rule like TPLF ruled. Or they can employ the same intimidation tactics to get their way in any political dispute.

As far as the stifling of rights, I am referring both to Eskinder's rallies being cancelled but also the informal intimidation tactics that are not being reprimanded. Sometimes police are actively participating or looking the other way when they are happening. When police are standing by watching someone threaten you and instead applying uneven measures of containment, that is the same as police endorsement of those stifling tactics.

Also not sure why you're bringing up events in Bahir Dar like it has anything to do with this situation. Unless you're saying because of what Asaminew did, the police and Qerro are now allowed to intimidate people and stifle freedom of speech?

In any case I didn't see any of this objection coming from you when the runners just last year came out and mocked TPLF generals getting locked up and making fun of yellow helicopters. But I guess since you are not from that camp, that one was okay.

[DefendTheTruth]

Objectivity doesn't mean always sitting in the middle of every issue. It means making every effort to observe and evaluate a situation free from ones own bias and viewpoints. I've done that on many other situations before and I'm still doing that here. Based on the events of the past few months, from the recent killings to the intimidation tactics of some in regional government and Jawar, it is wholly appropriate for those who were the target of these actions to come out and voice their displeasure. When they do so with such tact and civility, it should also be celebrated. I would have zero problems doing the same for Jawar's thugs if they dropped their weapons and resorted to witty remarks instead.

The fact that you think Jawar's thugs ought to be shielded from the scrutiny of jokes, flag wavings and patriotic songs displays your lack of objectivity.

A new class of masters is any group that fought for the downfall of TPLF only because they thought it was their turn at dictatorship. No one is entitled to something special or different because of their participation in that downfall. They are also not entitled to revising such recent history in claiming they are the sole people responsible for the downfall. When they talk and walk like they are entitled to such things, then it can be said that they are trying to be a new class of masters.

I don't know why you are talking about coalitions or compromises, I made no inference to the balance of power within former-EPRDF. I am referring to select members both in and out of government who feel it is Oromo's turn to rule like TPLF ruled. Or they can employ the same intimidation tactics to get their way in any political dispute.

As far as the stifling of rights, I am referring both to Eskinder's rallies being cancelled but also the informal intimidation tactics that are not being reprimanded. Sometimes police are actively participating or looking the other way when they are happening. When police are standing by watching someone threaten you and instead applying uneven measures of containment, that is the same as police endorsement of those stifling tactics.

Also not sure why you're bringing up events in Bahir Dar like it has anything to do with this situation. Unless you're saying because of what Asaminew did, the police and Qerro are now allowed to intimidate people and stifle freedom of speech?

In any case I didn't see any of this objection coming from you when the runners just last year came out and mocked TPLF generals getting locked up and making fun of yellow helicopters. But I guess since you are not from that camp, that one was okay.

Can you see where your argument started and ended now?

I didn't even object to your political views and expressing them the way you wish, support or oppose, for that is not my business, at least as far as that is done in a civilised manner without causing any sort of friction to the people of the country and without a cost of human lives and materail loss.

I said it is not appropriate to mix a sports event with politics and hate speech. Such things you can do on the endless rallies organised by Eskinder Nega or anybody else, but not at an sports occasion. Sport is for love, peace and unity of the people, not only within the same national territory but also beyond that.

Then you rushed to justify such actions blaming about the so called "new class of masters". I asked you who these are and assumed that you were referring to those in power today, you came back and claim now no, not necessarily.

What all these show? You were trying to defend the indefensible. Sport has nothing in common with a hate speech. Full stop.

I don't know which Helicopters you are talking but I try to guide myself based on my own instinct and sense of defending the truth, not on the bases of somebody is from my camp or the other camp.

I didn't try to justify anything based on what Asamenew Tsige did. I brought in that instance after you claimed about you (plural) should be granted unrestricted freedom, to make you aware that demaning unrestricted freedom is okay but then you (the grantee) should also be concious that exercising an unrestricted freedom demands a high degree of readiness for responsibility to exercice the freedom.

About rights stifling for Eskinder Nega, I told you already that then stifling is being done not only in Ethiopia but also in many other countries in the western world and also many different places in the country too. Is that not clear enough? I hope it must be clear enough, because that is what you are claiming.

[opmerc]

Can you see where your argument started and ended now?

I didn't even object to your political views and expressing them the way you wish, support or oppose, for that is not my business, at least as far as that is done in a civilised manner without causing any sort of friction to the people of the country and without a cost of human lives and materail loss.

I said it is not appropriate to mix a sports event with politics and hate speech. Such things you can do on the endless rallies organised by Eskinder Nega or anybody else, but not at an sports occasion. Sport is for love, peace and unity of the people, not only within the same national territory but also beyond that.

Then you rushed to justify such actions blaming about the so called "new class of masters". I asked you who these are and assumed that you were referring to those in power today, you came back and claim now no, not necessarily.

What all these show? You were trying to defend the indefensible. Sport has nothing in common with a hate speech. Full stop.

I don't know which Helicopters you are talking but I try to guide myself based on my own instinct and sense of defending the truth, not on the bases of somebody is from my camp or the other camp.

I didn't try to justify anything based on what Asamenew Tsige did. I brought in that instance after you claimed about you (plural) should be granted unrestricted freedom, to make you aware that demaning unrestricted freedom is okay but then you (the grantee) should also be concious that exercising an unrestricted freedom demands a high degree of readiness for responsibility to exercice the freedom.

About rights stifling for Eskinder Nega, I told you already that then stifling is being done not only in Ethiopia but also in many other countries in the western world and also many different places in the country too. Is that not clear enough? I hope it must be clear enough, because that is what you are claiming.

My argument is the exact same from start to finish. Political speech needs it's own lane, unless that lane is being restricted then it will come out in any other venue possible. When it does come out, it's best that it does so in a civil and polite way. Each parts of those elements are true today. Show me at any point where I've contradicted this argument or walked it back?

You on the other hand are claiming the whole event should be cancelled or restricted now because these people are displaying political views meanwhile being completely ignorant of political views that were displayed on this very event for successive years. Not to mention the several other cases of political views being displayed at other prominent events. I will bet anything in the world you had zero objections to what Feyisa did at the Olympics. But Addis Ababae made fun of Jawar's Qerro so now you're all up in arms about political speech during sports. Come on.

I would love for you to justify how singing "Ethiopia, Hagere" and making jokes about Jawar's late-night S.O.S is hate speech. I really would. Because that would be the comedy of the century.

Where did I say people deserve unrestricted freedom? are you even reading from the same thread? I specifically said freedom of speech within bounds of reason. Go read it. It helps to know who and what you're arguing against before you argue against it.

And your excuse that Eskinder's rallies being denied is okay because other countries do it?

So let me get this straight. The very channels of expressing political speech that you just said citizens should use can be cancelled at will by random thugs and their foreign leader but these same citizens can't turn around and express those views at other available points of social gatherings? Got it.

Well good luck convincing anyone sane on the merits of that.

[Selam/]

You still at it, idiot? I swear, Colin Kaepernick would give you both middle fingers. Lebron James would likewise flip you the bird while Mr Trump and Jawar give you a hug.

Objectivity doesn't mean always sitting in the middle of every issue. It means making every effort to observe and evaluate a situation free from ones own bias and viewpoints. I've done that on many other situations before and I'm still doing that here. Based on the events of the past few months, from the recent killings to the intimidation tactics of some in regional government and Jawar, it is wholly appropriate for those who were the target of these actions to come out and voice their displeasure. When they do so with such tact and civility, it should also be celebrated. I would have zero problems doing the same for Jawar's thugs if they dropped their weapons and resorted to witty remarks instead.

The fact that you think Jawar's thugs ought to be shielded from the scrutiny of jokes, flag wavings and patriotic songs displays your lack of objectivity.

A new class of masters is any group that fought for the downfall of TPLF only because they thought it was their turn at dictatorship. No one is entitled to something special or different because of their participation in that downfall. They are also not entitled to revising such recent history in claiming they are the sole people responsible for the downfall. When they talk and walk like they are entitled to such things, then it can be said that they are trying to be a new class of masters.

I don't know why you are talking about coalitions or compromises, I made no inference to the balance of power within former-EPRDF. I am referring to select members both in and out of government who feel it is Oromo's turn to rule like TPLF ruled. Or they can employ the same intimidation tactics to get their way in any political dispute.

As far as the stifling of rights, I am referring both to Eskinder's rallies being cancelled but also the informal intimidation tactics that are not being reprimanded. Sometimes police are actively participating or looking the other way when they are happening. When police are standing by watching someone threaten you and instead applying uneven measures of containment, that is the same as police endorsement of those stifling tactics.

Also not sure why you're bringing up events in Bahir Dar like it has anything to do with this situation. Unless you're saying because of what Asaminew did, the police and Qerro are now allowed to intimidate people and stifle freedom of speech?

In any case I didn't see any of this objection coming from you when the runners just last year came out and mocked TPLF generals getting locked up and making fun of yellow helicopters. But I guess since you are not from that camp, that one was okay.

Can you see where your argument started and ended now?

I didn't even object to your political views and expressing them the way you wish, support or oppose, for that is not my business, at least as far as that is done in a civilised manner without causing any sort of friction to the people of the country and without a cost of human lives and materail loss.

I said it is not appropriate to mix a sports event with politics and hate speech. Such things you can do on the endless rallies organised by Eskinder Nega or anybody else, but not at an sports occasion. Sport is for love, peace and unity of the people, not only within the same national territory but also beyond that.

Then you rushed to justify such actions blaming about the so called "new class of masters". I asked you who these are and assumed that you were referring to those in power today, you came back and claim now no, not necessarily.

What all these show? You were trying to defend the indefensible. Sport has nothing in common with a hate speech. Full stop.

I don't know which Helicopters you are talking but I try to guide myself based on my own instinct and sense of defending the truth, not on the bases of somebody is from my camp or the other camp.

I didn't try to justify anything based on what Asamenew Tsige did. I brought in that instance after you claimed about you (plural) should be granted unrestricted freedom, to make you aware that demaning unrestricted freedom is okay but then you (the grantee) should also be concious that exercising an unrestricted freedom demands a high degree of readiness for responsibility to exercice the freedom.

About rights stifling for Eskinder Nega, I told you already that then stifling is being done not only in Ethiopia but also in many other countries in the western world and also many different places in the country too. Is that not clear enough? I hope it must be clear enough, because that is what you are claiming.