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አዲሱን የአንዳርጋቸው መጽሃፍ አንብቤ ጨረስኩት። እናም ከሁለት ቀናት በፊት አጭር አስተያየቴን በኢሜይል ላኩለት። የላክሁለትን ባካፍላችሁ ምንም አይላችሁ።

ሰላምታ Andy!

"እኛም እንናገር" ን አነበብኩት።
ምን እንደምልህ አላውቅም። የተተራመሰ ነገር ውስጥ ገብቻለሁ። መጽሃፉ ከግማሽ በላይ እውነት ነው። እራስህንም አልማርክም። ብዙ ቦታ ማንበቤን እያቁዋረጥኩ ስቄያለሁ፣ አዝኛለሁ፣ ገርሞኛል። ቀደም ሲል ከኢትዮጵያውያን ኢሊት እንዲህ አይነት መጽሃፍ አላነበብኩም። ስምህ አንዳርጋቸው ባይሆን ኖሮ፣ በአማራነት ባትታወቅ ኖሮ፣ መስዋእትነት ያልከፈልክ ቢሆን ኖሮ እነ አጅሬ እንደ ፋሲካ በሬ ቅርጫ ያደርጉህ ነበር። አሁንም ቢሆን እየተናነቃቸው እንጂ ስሜታቸውን ተፈታትነሃል።

በኦሮሞ እና በአዲስ አበባ ጉዳዮች ላይ ብዙ የተፋለሱ መረጃዎች አይቻለሁ። ሆኖም በጉዳዩ ላይ አስተያየት መስጠት አልፈልግም። የኢትዮጵያ የፖለቲካ ጉዳይ በቁዋፍ ያለ እንደመሆኑ የሚያጦዙ ነጥቦችን ማንሳት አያስፈልግም ብዬ አምናለሁ።

የኤርትራን ጉዳይ ብዙ አንስተሃል። በጣም ጠቃሚ ነጥቦች አሉ። ከጥቂት በላይ እውነቶችን በድፍረት ጽፈሃል። በዚህም ተደንቄያለሁ። "ኤርትራ እና ዱላ" በሚለው ምእራፍ ግን ሙሉ በሙሉ ከአንተ ትንታኔ በተቃራኒው ነኝ።

ኤርትራን "ማንም ቅኝ ገዢ ጠፍጥፎ የሰራት አገር" ብለህ መግለጽህ እውነት አይደለም። ኤርትራን በዚህ መልኩ መግለጽ ካንተ ብእር የሚጠበቅ አልነበረም። ይህ አባባል ለጅቡቲ እንኩዋ አይሰራም። ኢትዮጵያ ራስዋ የት ነበረች? ከምኒልክ በፊት ኢሉ-አባቦርን ረግጦ የሚያውቅ፥ ከሃይለስላሴ በፊት ቀይባህርን በአይኑ አይቶ የሚያውቅ አንድ ንጉስ እስኪ ጥራልኝ? የኢትዮጰያ ታሪክ እየተባለ የሚነገረው አብዛኛው የፈጠራ ድርሰት መሆኑን የምታውቀው ነው። ለብሄራዊ ኩራት ሲባል ተረቱ እንደ እውነት ቢቀጥል አይጎዳም ይሆናል። እኛው ለእኛው ግን መቸም ያው እንተዋወቃለን።

ወደፊት በወደብ ምክንያት በኤርትራ እና በኢትዮጵያ መካከል እልቂት የሚያስከትል ጦርነት ሊካሄድ እንደሚችል መግለጽህም ከእውነታ የራቀ ነው። ገራሚ አባባል ነው። እኔ እንደሚገባኝ ከሆነ ከዚህ በሁዋላ የኤርትራን አንድ ጠጉር መበጠስ የሚችል ሃይል አይኖርም። የሚሻለው በሰላም ተከባብሮ፣ በአፍሪቃ ቀንድ ደረጃ ተጋግዞ መኖር ብቻ ነው።

በተቀረ አሪፍ መጽሃፍ ጽፈሃል። ትውልድን የሚያደናግር ነገር ባያጣውም በጥቅሉ ተነባቢ ነው። በተለይ ስለ ቤተሰብህ የጻፍከው መሳጭ ታሪክ ነው።
ሁለተኛውን ክፍል ለማንበብ እጠብቃለሁ። ይህን የመሰለ ልባዊ አስተያየት መስጠቴ ጉዋደኝነታችን ላይ ክፍተት እንደማይፈጥር ተስፋ አደርጋለሁ።

ወዳጅህ!
ተስፋይ ገብረኣብ

Mare Erythraeum እጅ ነስቻለሁ ገዳ ገብራብ፣ ማለፍያ እይታ ነው። እኔም መጽሓፉን ከሳምንት በፊት ነው ኣንብቤ የጨረስኩት። ኣንዳርጋቸውን በተወሰነ መልኩ ከባህላዊው የኢትዮጵያ የታሪክ ኣጻጻፍ በማፈንገጥ ለህሊናው ታማኝ ለመሆን ሲታገል ለማስተዋል ችያለሁ። ለዛም የተወሰነ ክሬዲት እሰጠዋለሁ። ይሁን እንጂ ኣንተ እንዳልከው ኤርትራን በተመለከተ የጻፈው ነገር ማስተዋል የጎደለው ነው። በተለይም በኣንዱ የመጽሓፍ ገጽ ላይ ባሰፈረው ህዳግ (footnote) ላይ የወደብ ጉዳይን በተመለከተ ያሰፈረው ምልከታ እጅግ ያሳዝናል። ነገሩን ከሁሉም በላይ ኣሳዛኝ የሚያደርገው ደግሞ የኤርትራ ህዝብና መንግስት ለእርሱና እርሱ ይመራው ለነበረው ድርጅት በኣስቸጋሪ ወቅት ያደረጉለትን ሁለንተናዊ ትብብር ፍጹም የካደ ኣባይነት ነው። እኛ ኤርትራዊያን ግን እንዲህ ኣይነት ተደጋጋሚ ክህደትን ከሌሎች ነጻ ኣውጪ ነን ባይ ኢትዮጵያዊያን ከዚህ ቀደም በተደጋጋሚ ስላስተናገድን የሚገርመን ኣይደለም። የሚመለከታቸው የኤርትራ መንግስት ባለስልጣናትም መጽሃፉን ኣንብበው ትዝብት እንደያዙበት ሳልገምት ኣልቀረሁም። ይሄንን ከሚሞነጫጭር ከኣንድ ኣመት በላይ በባዶ ተስፋ ወሮታ ላይ ካምፕ ተዘግቶባቸው ኣስቸጋሪ ሁኔታ ውስጥ ስላሉት የቀድሞ የትግል ጓዶቹ ያሉበትን ሁኔታ ኣይቶ መፍትሄ ቢያበጅላቸው በሰው ክብር በፈጣሪ ደግሞ ሞገስን ያገኝ ነበር።

ኤርትራን "ማንም ቅኝ ገዢ ጠፍጥፎ የሰራት አገር" ብለህ መግለጽህ እውነት አይደለም
What's not true here. Eritrea was created by the Italians. No one dares to deny this.

ኢትዮጵያ ራስዋ የት ነበረች? ከምኒልክ በፊት ኢሉ-አባቦርን ረ ... እስኪ ጥራልኝ?
Atse Yohannes was the one who ordered foreigners to was h their feet before they left. That is the red sea port.
Ethiopian kings are know to govern all the way to Mersabiet, current Kenya. What made you think the never concurred Eilu-babour?

ኤርትራን "ማንም ቅኝ ገዢ ጠፍጥፎ የሰራት አገር" ብለህ መግለጽህ እውነት አይደለም

What's not true here. Eritrea was created by the Italians. No one dares to deny this.

ኢትዮጵያ ራስዋ የት ነበረች? ከምኒልክ በፊት ኢሉ-አባቦርን ረግጦ የሚያውቅ፥ ከሃይለስላሴ በፊት ቀይባህርን በአይኑ አይቶ የሚያውቅ አንድ ንጉስ እስኪ ጥራልኝ?

Atse Yohannes was the one who ordered foreigners to was h their feet before they left. That is the red sea port.
Ethiopian kings are know to govern all the way to Mersabiet, current Kenya. What made you think the never concurred Eilu-babour?

ከንግዲህ ማንም የኤርትራን ጠብታ ውሃ ካለ ኤርትራ ህዝብ ፈቃድ ውጭ ሊነካ አይችል. በሰላም ተከባብሮ መኖር ለሁላችንም ይበጃል

Here we go, again!

All African countries, are colonialists created.

The only difference is your country, developed an indiginous colonial administration; historically submissive to white colonial powers.

Andy's tone is the problem, here. Because it implies, that the country is somehow illegitimate. A kind of mistake, that needs reversing or correcting. That's why he mentions of a possible future war, for the Red Sea.

How fast you forget, btw, how Yohannes acquired his throne. By mercenary work for the British, in killing Atse Tewodros. "Wash his feet", my foot!

As per his leutenant, Ras Alula, he was courting the italians. Asking them to make a deal with him, rather than Menelik.

Menelik in turn, encouraged them to take Asmara.

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08 Sep 2019, 16:32

ኤርትራን "ማንም ቅኝ ገዢ ጠፍጥፎ የሰራት አገር" ብለህ መግለጽህ እውነት አይደለም

What's not true here. Eritrea was created by the Italians. No one dares to deny this.

ኢትዮጵያ ራስዋ የት ነበረች? ከምኒልክ በፊት ኢሉ-አባቦርን ረግጦ የሚያውቅ፥ ከሃይለስላሴ በፊት ቀይባህርን በአይኑ አይቶ የሚያውቅ አንድ ንጉስ እስኪ ጥራልኝ?

Atse Yohannes was the one who ordered foreigners to was h their feet before they left. That is the red sea port.
Ethiopian kings are know to govern all the way to Mersabiet, current Kenya. What made you think the never concurred Eilu-babour?

The border leading to the port of Assab should be opened soon but those borders with kilil Tigray should only be opened once occupied Eritrean land including Badme is handed over to the Eritrean government.
We must not have the Zalambesa border opened if the border at Badme remains closed. Time for the TPLF and the people of Tigray to make a stark choice between genuine peace anchored in the promotion of the rule of law AND indefinite occupation and provocation that will ultimately lead to undesired conflict and bloodshed.
The ball is squarely on their court but time is running out.

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Emperor Yohannes signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near the Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power, in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs.

(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)

Via Antonelli's courier, Menelik informed the King of Italy that he would like the Italian soldiers to occupy Asmara, in order to discourage the imperial pretensions of Mengesha Yohannes (the son of Emperor Yohannes)." "There after," added Menelik, "God will give me the throne that for many years I have had the right to have."

(See Chris Prouty, Empress Taytu and Menelik II page 61)

Here is how Ras Alula, did his bid:

You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.

And in trying to persuade the Italians not to make friendship with Menelik, Alula begged the Italians by saying,

And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.

(See, Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)

Brother zmeslo! The Ethiopian folktales particularly those idiots never ends. Here is the Ethiopian map before Eritrea is forcefuly federated with Ethiopia

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 16:59

Emperor Yohannes signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near the Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power, in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs.

(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)

Via Antonelli's courier, Menelik informed the King of Italy that he would like the Italian soldiers to occupy Asmara, in order to discourage the imperial pretensions of Mengesha Yohannes (the son of Emperor Yohannes)." "There after," added Menelik, "God will give me the throne that for many years I have had the right to have."

(See Chris Prouty, Empress Taytu and Menelik II page 61)

Exactly, brother!

I never get, this obsession. Especially, from their elite. Why can't they just live in peace, & trade with us? They've no problems with Kenya, Somalia, both Sudans and Djibouti.

Kuasmeda wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 17:08

Brother zmeslo! The Ethiopian folktales particularly those idiots never ends. Here is the Ethiopian map before Eritrea is forcefuly federated with Ethiopia

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 16:59

Emperor Yohannes signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near the Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power, in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs.

(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)

Via Antonelli's courier, Menelik informed the King of Italy that he would like the Italian soldiers to occupy Asmara, in order to discourage the imperial pretensions of Mengesha Yohannes (the son of Emperor Yohannes)." "There after," added Menelik, "God will give me the throne that for many years I have had the right to have."

(See Chris Prouty, Empress Taytu and Menelik II page 61)

Kuasmeda wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 17:08

Brother zmeslo! The Ethiopian folktales particularly those idiots never ends. Here is the Ethiopian map before Eritrea is forcefuly federated with Ethiopia

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 16:59

Emperor Yohannes signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near the Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power, in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs.

(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)

Via Antonelli's courier, Menelik informed the King of Italy that he would like the Italian soldiers to occupy Asmara, in order to discourage the imperial pretensions of Mengesha Yohannes (the son of Emperor Yohannes)." "There after," added Menelik, "God will give me the throne that for many years I have had the right to have."

(See Chris Prouty, Empress Taytu and Menelik II page 61)

Hmmm, look at the real map to the right. That's exactly the Ethiopian map looks like.

All your quotes are semi-true.

Emperor Yohanese never got mercenaries to assasinate Atse Tewodros. I am defending here for what he did, but stating facts. Kasa Mircha betray Atse tewodros because he assumed himself as the rightful emperor. He never defend his country from foreign invaders. As oppose he directed them towards Tewodros.

yedogaliw Anbessa, Ras Alula, indeed communicate with the Italian as his last resort before he submitted to Minilik. Because he wanted to keep the throne under Sebagadis family line. Other wise, Alula hated Italian invaders to his core. That's why he fought and beat the crap out of them without his king's approval.

But here we are sitting on another problem. Which is called the 60's generation. They are working hard to destroy the country. They are teaching us how to beat ourselves. they are teaching us the Marxist philosophy in which they themselves never understood.

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 16:59

Emperor Yohannes signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near the Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power, in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs.

(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48)

Via Antonelli's courier, Menelik informed the King of Italy that he would like the Italian soldiers to occupy Asmara, in order to discourage the imperial pretensions of Mengesha Yohannes (the son of Emperor Yohannes)." "There after," added Menelik, "God will give me the throne that for many years I have had the right to have."

(See Chris Prouty, Empress Taytu and Menelik II page 61)

Here is how Ras Alula, did his bid:

You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.

And in trying to persuade the Italians not to make friendship with Menelik, Alula begged the Italians by saying,

And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.

(See, Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)

MatiT wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 16:10

ወደፊት በወደብ ምክንያት በኤርትራ እና በኢትዮጵያ መካከል እልቂት የሚያስከትል ጦርነት ሊካሄድ እንደሚችል መግለጽህም ከእውነታ የራቀ ነው። ገራሚ አባባል ነው። እኔ እንደሚገባኝ ከሆነ ከዚህ በሁዋላ የኤርትራን አንድ ጠጉር መበጠስ የሚችል ሃይል አይኖርም።

ጉረኛ!

Eritreans don't like hearing harsh truths about themselves. They look forward to people who'd compliment them or sugar coat stuff for them.

They prefer flattery over brutal reality. Because it takes courage to face the truth and admit you're wrong when you are.

How the hell you completely block 100,000,000 people's view and expect to survive forever? You're crazy!

With the rate the Oromo extremists are going, just give them another 12 months they will claim Massawa!

So, Abiy is your best bet.

I did send him my disappointment to Andargachew about he wrote the illusion war of a future Asab , please you all Eritreans not to be quiet and salient to respond to his book the truth , speicaily Eritreans who read he's book

MatiT wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 18:22

I did send him my disappointment to Andargachew please to you all Eritreans not to be quiet and salient to respond for his book , speicaily Eritreans who read he's book

MatiT,

Andy is not being abusive or aggressive to you Eritreans; he shall always have a soft spot for you. At least Eritreans know where they stand with such a friend.

You should be writing stuff to those people who smile to your face, won't tell you what bothers them and then passively aggressively stab you in the back. Those are people to beware of. They are the dangerous ones. If someone is being straightforward, be grateful because you will have a surviving chance. (the smiling ones, are maybe hiding next door! )

He has also predicted a Syria like turmoil if all the Ethnic armies that are being built in Ethiopia continue, he is telling the truth there too.

The question is how can Eritrea, the mother of secession contribute to peace at this moment? It can play a big role if you ask me; work on that instead, it needs to be ahead of the extremists exploding the region.

MatiT wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 18:22

I did send him my disappointment to Andargachew about he wrote the illusion war of a future Asab , please you all Eritreans not to be quiet and salient to respond to his book the truth , speicaily Eritreans who read he's book

u know what Meles think of Assab port so i will not repeat it..
oromo doesnt know where Assab is,,,

amhara always hide behind Ethiopia name otherwise no body care about Eritrea or Assab other then Amhara ...

thanks for ur arrogant Djibouti with their 125 km coastline the make two billion dollar only from Ethiopia

while Assab port with their 3000km earn zero dollar ,,,, soon the Assab afar will rise up aginst Eritrean domination once they see how their kin in Djibouti live

high life in Djibouiti




assab Eritrea kids sad ... once promising land reduced to this

Still donkoro Ethioasha as usal

Ethoash wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 19:24

MatiT wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 18:22

I did send him my disappointment to Andargachew about he wrote the illusion war of a future Asab , please you all Eritreans not to be quiet and salient to respond to his book the truth , speicaily Eritreans who read he's book

u know what Meles think of Assab port so i will not repeat it..
oromo doesnt know where Assab is,,,

amhara always hide behind Ethiopia name otherwise no body care about Eritrea or Assab other then Amhara ...

thanks for ur arrogant Djibouti with their 125 km coastline the make two billion dollar only from Ethiopia

while Assab port with their 3000km earn zero dollar ,,,, soon the Assab afar will rise up aginst Eritrean domination once they see how their kin in Djibouti live

high life in Djibouiti

assab Eritrea kids sad ... once promising land reduced to this

It's a game to the ethiopians poiticaians plays to get attention by creating misleaded story about Assab port and Eritrea in general to their people. But why he never mentioned about asab when he stays and helped by Government of Eritrea

MatiT wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2019, 20:52

It's a game to the ethiopians poiticaians plays to get attention by creating misleaded story about Assab port and Eritrea in general to their people. But why he never mentioned about asab when he stays and helped by Government of Eritrea

dear MatiT, ኣቶ ኣንደርካቸው ጽጊ is helping the Afar people who have 3000km coast line and earn zero dollar while Djibouti who have only 125km sea coast earn 2 billion dollar only from Ethiopia alone..ኣቶ ኣንደርካቸው ጽጊ must speak out not against Eritrea but against salve driver ISISIS AFWARKI ...ኣቶ ኣንደርካቸው ጽጊ HAVE a great burden to speak for voiceless in Eritrea who yearn for freedom ኣቶ ኣንደርካቸው ጽጊ speak for them..

what do u think Afar Assab earn zero dollar and Djibouti Afar earn two billion dollar that was Assab income if not for ISISISI AFWARKI short sightedness
i know u will not answer this question in million years because u dont own the port the Afar own the port so u dont care if they earn billion dollar or not.. all u care is to keep them in union even if does mean keep them in poverty..