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Sadacha Macca
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Re: BBC: The Ethiopians changing their names as a show of pride

Post by Sadacha Macca » 09 Jun 2022, 14:55

TGAA,
Comparing the holocaust, which didn't involve an actual war at all, to the massacres that take place when one side has European weapons and one side has spears, is incomparable. The very fact you tried to compare them shows how weak your argument is, sir.
The massacre of Millions of Oromo's also was over the course of years, due to famine caused by wars, the war itself, consequences of the war, etc. Even if it's 1 million, as opposed to 5, it's still way too many and still indicative that Menelik, as the author said, was out for a murderous revenge against an otherwise strong Oromo nation that he couldn't beat when the arms were equal. Reading ''professor feqadus'' article, and I still didn't see him prove the population wasn't as big as said by martial de salviac and other people who were there to witness it, and lived there for years.
I'd take the word of a person who lived back then, then the word of someone born a century or more after it occurred, who has no proof other than ''I said so.''
Also, once again, no one said ''Amhara's are evil,'' YOU SAID THAT, to try and dismiss the historical based narrative here, as ''anti Amhara propaganda,'' or etc.



To comment on the galla term, your so called Amhara brothers on this very site, along with some tigrayans, use it more, than any somali or arabs, that alone, can refute that silly argument that it was made by them.



Selam, can you prove it? The proof here is from sources who traveled throughout oromo land, and lived among the people, both prior to, and after the conquests... the thing is, it's not shocking to see people deny it, when we see people deny other things that are known to be true, simply because it makes Ethiopia ''look bad,'' i.e. the fact Ethiopia itself is ultimately a creation of certain European elites who wanted to access the resources in that part of Africa, using an ally who would be subservienent to them, i.e. menelik and those after him... or they deny the anole massacre/harka mura anole, and various other atrocities committed in the distant past, the recent past, and even now...

https://www.opride.com/2014/04/25/q-a-w ... o-part-ii/


''OPride: How do you respond to those who say Aannolee never happened?

Gnamo: They may deny but that does not mean it did not happen. In fact, they deny what Menelik himself personally acknowledged that his atrocities in Arsi would render them accountable before God. In my book I quoted his words during the war of 1886. It is not surprising that those who commit atrocities and genocide never or rarely admit it. For instance, there are still some who deny the holocaust or minimize its magnitude. During my research on the Rwandan genocide* and the Interhamwe (Hutu killer militia), I met some Hutu and their scholars who deny the Rwandan genocide against the Tutsi and Hutu moderates which happened before the eyes of the entire world in 1994.

It is true that for the 21st century people what happened at Aanolee is odious and they try to do the best they can to deny it or to run from it. In fact, they cannot be proud of that and they would have liked that it did not happen. But, it did. Only those people without conscience and basic human instinct may call it a holy war. Facts are facts and the truth has to be told and taught however ugly and unpleasant it may be.

In this book and other work, I wrote on Menelik’s war of conquest based on facts and carefully and meticulously collected and analyzed data over 30 years. I have published other major articles ever since (in Journal of Oromo Studies 1995, and in French in a Journal called Africa “La conquête impériale éthiopienne des Oromo-Arsi (1882-1892).” I also contributed an entry on “Aanolee” in Encyclopaedia Aethiopica, Institut f. Afrikanistik und Athiopistik, Universitat Hamburg, Germany, 2004.

These publications are not intended to serve any political interests/purpose or to provoke anyone. It must be noted that the Oromo people have lived with the memory for a very long time without using it as a pretext to provoke any hostility towards anyone. Menelik may have been a gentleman and a nice leader for the Amhara but he was the enemy, and remains as such, for the Oromo people as his reign represented atrocities, indignity and pestilence. It caused unbelievable physical and psychological damage on this free society. This book is fact based and reconstructs the true history of conquest and its legacies (what happened during the war and its political, economic and cultural consequences).''

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