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Re: የኢትዮጵያ ሳተላይት ማምጠቅ ሥነ-ስርዓት ቀጥታ ስርጭት

Post by Dawi » 26 Dec 2019, 04:07

opmerc wrote:
25 Dec 2019, 22:22
The reason someone gets detained is not just when they are accused of something violent. Someone being a flight risk for example, like he is, is also grounds to be detained. "He's not going anywhere, honest!!" is often not an adequate legal defense. His wealth also allows him adequate legal representation while detained so all his rights and due process are maintained. Beyond that, he shouldn't expect any special treatment or sympathy no matter what his other attributes are. If he's innocent, he can seek financial redress afterwards from the government and then continue where he left off.
opmerc,

For all the commitments he has shown over many years as a pioneer diaspora private business entrepreneur in the country with many acclaimed accomplishments, he should have been allowed a bail is the point I was trying to make. For crying out loud!

The following is what he suggested on Ethiopian Economy published in Sept. 2018 and it seems to me the government is more or less following it to the letter not withstanding the "'evidence", of taking away Alibaba's cloud business agreement, consensus is the jury has not reached the verdict. :P

[[..Can Ethiopia Replicate the Egyptian Experience?

We first need to look at what would be required, which is a hard currency war chest of approximately six billion dollars to absorb the initial currency demand surge from multiple sources that will accompany the liberalization of the foreign exchange regime.

Privatisation, even partially, of some of Ethiopia’s largest state-owned enterprises could generate this financing and more. The funding required to address the foreign exchange crisis, resuscitate the economy and re-launch it on a self-sustaining growth trajectory, along with the appropriate policy reforms indicated, is approximately four billion dollars in a year. It would be two billion dollars in the second year. Even the partial privatization of just Ethio telecom would be adequate to cover these amounts.

Privatisation will not just solve the GTPs’ financing problem, a worthy enough accomplishment in itself, but would also help address three chronic macroeconomic problems. Inflation, the suffocating foreign exchange crisis and the unduly tight squeeze on credit to the private sector.

In the context of huge financing needed to fulfil the plans under the GTPs, privatization represents an excellent means of cashing out on the accumulated net worth of Ethiopia’s state enterprises. Indeed, there is arguably no more justifiable use of this accumulated net worth than spending it on the GTP that the government itself believes is worthy of supreme sacrifice from all corners of society.

Corrective policy measures are urgently needed to restore economic activity and balance. The economy needs a large, non-debt, foreign currency infusion and a liberalisation of the exchange rate regime to a managed float. This requires a war chest of six billion dollars after which market forces will balance supply and demand of foreign exchange.

Fortunately, in Ethiopia’s case, there is a viable path out of this mess. Privatisation – even if only partially, of a few large state-owned enterprises can finance all of the GTP objectives. The benefits of privatisation extend well beyond just providing funds for the GTPs. Two other significant advantages of privatisation are as important, if not more so than getting funding for GTPs.

First and foremost, privatization will, if done rightly, offer a cure for inflation. Inflation in Ethiopia has been linked heavily to a financing problem. More broadly, with government divesting its holdings in key areas of the economy, there would be a healthy re-balancing of ratios such as private investment-to-GDP and private manufacturing-to-GDP. This means a more competitive and more efficient economy with higher productivity.

In addition, it is desirable to have not one but two strong engines, both private and public, driving Ethiopia‘s economy and privatisation by attracting foreign investment, know how, and dynamism in key GTP supported sectors can play a major part in making this possible.

The newest thinking on the developmental state model, aims to bringing structural change back to the core of development strategies, and it emphasises the important roles for the market and the state in the process of promoting economic development.

It prescribes that the market should be the basic mechanism for resource allocation, but that government must play an active role in coordinating investments for industrial upgrading and diversification.

The New Structuralist Economics or Development Economics 3.0 is the third wave of development thinking that Ethiopia needs to adopt as its core development strategy. It is simply a learning and experience-based upgrade and extension of the developmental state model that Ethiopia has been following.

It would take six months to resolve the foreign exchange crisis.

The first step is securing the required six billion dollar war chest to absorb the initial currency demand surge from multiple sources that will accompany the liberalisation of the foreign exchange regime. This can be secured within six months through a non-debt commercial bridge financing tied to the privatisation of Ethio telecom.

This ought to be followed by signing into place a managed float of the Birr. Voilà, problem solved!..]]

BY ERMIAS AMELGA
ERMIAS AMELGA, AN ECONOMIST AND A BUSINESSMAN ENGAGED IN MANUFACTURING, COMMERCIAL BANKING, INVESTMENT BANKING AND REAL ESTATE.
https://addisfortune.net/columns/ethiop ... code-blue/

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Re: የኢትዮጵያ ሳተላይት ማምጠቅ ሥነ-ስርዓት ቀጥታ ስርጭት

Post by Ethoash » 26 Dec 2019, 11:04

our newbie economist

first understand what bid rigging means

ለምሳሌ ሁለት ቤት ገዚዎች የኤርሚያስ አመልጋን ሁቴል መግዛት ፈልገው ጨረታ የወዳደራሉ። ይህ ማለት ሁለቱ ገዚዎች ተወዳደሪ ጨረታ ማረግ አለባቸው ። ግን ሁለቱ ገዚዎች ተደዋወለው ሰማ ዛሬ ጨረታውን ለኔ ልቀቅልኝና እኔ ልግዛ ሌላ ግዜ አንተ ታሽንፋለህ በለው ። የአመልጋ ሁቴል አርባ ሚልዬን መነሻ ዋጋ ቢኖረው

አንደኛው ተጫራች ሃያ ሚሊዬን ዋጋ ያስገባል
ሁለተኛው ደግሞ ስላሳ ሚሊዬን ብር ያስገባል


እንግዲህ አመልጋ በኪሳራ መሽጥ አለበት ወይም አለመሽጥ አለበት ። ይህ አልሆነም ስለዚህ ምን እንደምታወራ አልገባኝም

ጥፋትም ቢሆር ተጫራቾቹ እነሜቴክ መሆን አለባቸው

price fixing ደግሞ
መርካቶ ውስጥ መቶ ሺህ ነጋዴዎች አሉ እንበል .....የሱካርን ዋጋ ተስማምተው መቶ ብር ካደርጉ የትም ብት ሄድ ዋጋው አንድ አይነት ከሆነ በግድህ መግዛት አለብህ ማለት ነው። ይህ ነው price fixing ማለት


even if we said there was bid rigging in METC AND ኤርሚያስ አመልጋን THE METC is not the loser .. METC make 300 million birr ... in bid rigging one party must lose in order to claim bid rigging ....


second when ኤርሚያስ አመልጋን sold his hotel the idea is to get as much as he can get out of the deal. if the METC paid him over the market price go and ask them why bother ኤርሚያስ አመልጋን for try to get the best price for his property .. otherwise who in hell going to do business with government if the government came back and accusing them bid rigging...

my 3rd point is you cant single out ኤርሚያስ አመልጋን alone all government privatization must be investigated if the listed price met /// if Heineken deal be investigated .. Al Amoudi gold mine and many of his purchase must be investigated and all buyer must be put in jail..

to me in bid rigging IF METC lose then you might have a case but METC WIN THEY WIN 300 MILLION BIRR why not return the hotel to አመልጋ and he give u your 70 million birr with interest...


okay to be fair if አመልጋ sold the hotel for 70 million birr and if the price of the hotel today fetch only 50 million then i could said u have a case... otherwise u look stupid to say አመልጋ make us 300 million birr rich so let us put him in jail...

sometime you forgo case in the best interest of the public.. u cant just look for crime to get back to people... i know why አመልጋን arrested .. he give interview n Joy in z house ... he was exposing a lot of corruption and naming name /////

one thing interest me about samson mamo vs አመልጋ



ሳምሶን ማሞ ማለት የማስታወቂያ ባሌቤት ነበር ታድያማ አሜልጋን አሜልጋ ያረገው ሳምሶን ማሞ ነበር ። ለምን ብትል የፕላስቲክ ውሃውን ስሙን ረሳሁት አሁን በመኪና አደጋ ሞቶዋል ልክ እንደስይፉ ሾህ ያለው የቲቪ ፕሮግራም ነበር ታድያ ያ ሰው ሾው ላይ የሚመጡትን እንግዶች በሙሉ የአይላድ ውሃ ጠጡ እያለ ይጋብዛል ይህ ደግሞ የአሜልጋን ውሃ ንጉስ አረገው።

ታድያማ አመልጋ ሆዬ ለሳምሶን አንድ ሺህ ሁለት ሺህ በተዋዋሉበት መንገድ ስጥቶት ይሆናል ግን ሳምሶን ማሞ የአሜልጋን መቶከስ ሲያይ ትንሽ በጭቅልኝ ይለዋል ታድያማ የኛ ፈረንጅ አመልጋ ወል ወል ነው የጠየቕህውን ዋጋ ከፍያለሁኝ አምሳንቲም ከኔ አታገኝም ይለዋል ። ሳምሶን ለምኖ ለምኖ እንቢ ስለው አፈር አበልሀለው ብሎ ከፈርቹን ጋዜጣ ጋራ በመተባበር የአመልጋን ቅሌት ዘከዝኩት ። ታድያማ በቤቱ ላይ እንቪስት ያረጉ ሁሉ ገንዜቤን አምጣ ማለት ጀመረ። ይህ ሁሉ የመጣው ስለሞንን ለዚህ ላደረስው ግርሻ አልስጠም ስላለው ነው። ብሎ ደርዳሩን ሲናገር ሰምቼው በቀረው ሞልቼበት ይህንን መሉ አተታ አቀርቤላቹሀለሁው።

ኤርሚያስ አሁንም ምን እንደመታው አልገባውም ። ትንሽ ጉርሻ መስጠት አንዳለበት ምንም አልገባውም ። ስውን ምሳ ማብላት፤ ስርጋቸው ለሆነ ልክ እንደቤተስብ ስራጋቸው ውጭ በአቅምቲ መቻል ከመሳስሉ in kind bribe u must do if u want to do business in Ethiopia .. even in USA THE BIG PHARMA give in kind bribe to doctor .. by giving them trip and other in kind bribe... Germany government make corruption taxable because they know u must be corruption to get the business so the business entity submit their corruption for tax refund ...so one day this idiot Germany company submit 100,000 dollar that he give to Canadian PM and the anti corruption from Canada had filed day .. suing PM of Canada for taking bribe... the Germany guy thought that was a normal way of doing business ... hahahah... forget China even America they will bribe u big time our buddy ኤርሚያስ want to run clean ship

any how Dr. Abiy have to give him pardon and give him bailout in billion dollar to kick start his real estate ... in today shortage of housing we need ኤርሚያስ .... when Dr. Abiy give him billion dollar those who want their money should get their money no more argument... no discussion you want your money get your money and get the hell out of the deal..
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Re: የኢትዮጵያ ሳተላይት ማምጠቅ ሥነ-ስርዓት ቀጥታ ስርጭት

Post by opmerc » 26 Dec 2019, 11:30

Dawi wrote:
26 Dec 2019, 04:07
For all the commitments he has shown over many years as a pioneer diaspora private business entrepreneur in the country with many acclaimed accomplishments, he should have been allowed a bail
Not relevant. A judge would consider a person's good standing and other attributes before deciding on granting bail. If he's a significant enough flight risk however it doesn't matter. It all depends on how the bail hearing went for him and I wasn't there so I couldn't tell you. I also have many disagreements with his article and prescriptions but that would just prolong this conversation.


As for mr world economist, What I'm wondering is just how much that wall of text cost Tigray's budget.

And now that you've abandoned your primary profession from 'world economist' to ጠበቃ, you should first acknowledge you didn't even know those concepts were illegal. Afterwards, if you want to go ahead and pretend some more, be my guest.

But either way I don't care.

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Re: የኢትዮጵያ ሳተላይት ማምጠቅ ሥነ-ስርዓት ቀጥታ ስርጭት

Post by Ethoash » 27 Dec 2019, 11:07

opmerc wrote:
26 Dec 2019, 02:18
Ethoash wrote:
26 Dec 2019, 00:26
There is no immunity. Unlike you, Interpol and the rest of the world knows how banks and transactions work. We won't have to chase very long. Personally speaking, I'd rather watch all that money burn to ash than see any of you get off.
Mr. Optic i am not even finished with u.. this is massive the pinnacle of ቡዳነት፤ እንዴት አረጌ ነው ይህንን አይቼ እንዳላየ የማልፈው ;

አማራ ሲተርት

እኔ ከሞትኩ ስርዶ አይብቀል አለች አሉ አህያ። ያንተው ደግሞ ከአህይቲ ባሳ ብዳነትህ ።

let take Queen Azeb Mesfin
Former First lady Roman Tesfaye
First lady Zinash Tayachew

now we have 3 royal family u want them to live in poverty? what beneift would Ethiopia get if they become poor ..

but let take Queen Azeb case ... she was CEO of EFFORT

.. my point is if Queen Azeb have access to billion dollar she cant eat the money she must hire 100,000 poor Mekelle residence ...



but if the money left in Swiss bank the white will get the money.. about Interpol let them return the Libya Gaddafi, and Saddam Hussein money back to the people then i will say you have a point...

the Swiss bank and all other bank who pray on blood money the idea is not to keep it safe for u the idea is in hope that u die and they took the money.. now u r telling them to return the money their main profit .. u must be joking... for symbolic reasoning they might give u one million or two dollar but never expect the full amount.. that make u idiot...


now as expert in legal field i will tell u one of the old law in the book..Possession is nine-tenths of the law ... meaning is the looter have the money u dont even so the money belong to you the looter have the money hence the best thing to do is make a deal get back your money ... instead of try to get your looted money that is not in your possession...

just try to get the money u might lose the whole Ethiopia .. do u think the TPLF will seat and wait for u to take their loot .. they will start something and they will make u pay dearly .. since u dont have zero money in your hand it is not better to make a deal and let the poor get the job instead and the money come home and help with the economy...

i know u hate them so much but Ethiopian national interest come first.. this deal is good for the next Queen too..

my second point is even if u think u should not negotiated with looter and terrorist... time to say that is passed when u make deal with TPLF .. they give up the power in exchange of immunity.. had G7, OLF all oppl freedom fighter come to Addis Ababa in victory then you have the point if u havd the TPLF royal family in jail .. and u r demanding money u also have a point..

now the tplf royal family is at large they r king of king in Golden state.. u think they will surrender to you that easily.. they will fight u to the end.. guess what if u lose this time they will colonized u for next 100 years... have a nice day.. i am done with u..

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