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Re: A Calling for Co-operation of Oromo and Amhara Elites Against EPP

Post by OPFist » 17 Mar 2021, 01:13

As I understood till now, Ethiopian politics is kept in balance due to fighting between the following three blocs: 1- bloc of the EPP domination force; 2- bloc of the so called “unity forces”, who do fight to keep the empire intact; this bloc does use different tactics in the name of democracy, but its message is simple and clear: save the empire from disintegration; 3- bloc of freedom fighters of all oppressed nations in the empire, who do first want to be liberated from the system of domination before trying to talk about unity. For this group, union must be only the result of self-determination of all nations in the empire. When Amhara forces do talk about alliance against EPP, do they mean alliance of only political and civic organizations in the second bloc? Or do they also want to include those in the third block? As I understood from the rhetoric of AG7 leaders till now, they already put precondition for alliance to be forged against the first bloc: i.e accepting Ethiopian unity unconditionally! With this precondition, they seem to exclude those in the third bloc such as the OLF, ONLF, SLF…etc, who want to achieve self-determination for their respective nations. In order to include the third bloc in to alliance they want to forge against EPP, the Ezema people need to change this precondition and should try to find common denominator with the third bloc.

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Re: A Calling for Co-operation of Oromo and Amhara Elites Against EPP

Post by Noble Amhara » 17 Mar 2021, 03:09

Self Determination is made up by Soviet communists and is the reason for 10 Million dead in Ethiopia

Communism and Ethnic Marxism destroyed Ethiopia’s Peace now we have Massacres and devilish Liberation fronts leading these massacres! Tribalist Liberation fronts need to be removed from east Africa if given freedom these Self Determined OLF & TPLF will massacre children and women for being Amhara! Thus it is our work with Isaias Afwerki and Abiy Ahmed to delete Ethnic Liberation Fronts and maybe Ethnic Regions can be redrawn which favour pro Ethiopianist Amharas the constitution can also be deleted discussions between Isaias Abiy Ahmed and Amhara elites can continue Ethiopia’s Nationhood everything else is just gossip!

Oromunna is simply Oromos hatred towards Amharas now if we remove the Amhara bogey man there will be no more Oromunna to upheld and Oromia will disintegrate into another Somalia Shewa Oromo and arsi Oromo will begin to fight for power over Menelik Palace the Christian Oromo will dislike the Muslim Oromo Western Oromo will not want a Eastern Oromo Ruler, Welega would succeed and become its own state, Borana and Guji Oromo would join Kenya. Oromos will compete over who’s more Oromo then the other simply your oromunna unity is based on a foundation of hating the accepting and loving Amhara people your foundation will crumble we will manipulate you easily due to your senseless low iq nature

Your Socialist OLF which was created in late 60s to early 70s is 50 years old and has contributed nothing. You had 50 years to do something that’s significant but you Gallas decide to hate Amhara people and play politics like sports! Amhara nationalism is 4 years old and is catching up to yo 50 year old Oromo nationalism

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Re: A Calling for Co-operation of Oromo and Amhara Elites Against EPP

Post by OPFist » 17 Mar 2021, 05:54

I think the only common denominator can be acceptance of union based on self-determination of nations. If Ezema activists are democrats in practice as they do say always, I hope they will accept this. Nations should decide on their own destiny based on free will, be it for freedom within union or for an independence without union. Does their rhetoric about democracy include such demand of peoples to decide on their destiny? Or are they smart unitarist foxes in sheep’s skin? Or are some of them just naive poleticians, being instrumentalized to fullfill intention of the extremists, who want to restore their domination at any cost? I hope, slowly, Amhara people will think and act independently from the hitherto extremist minded chauvinist conservatives.

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Re: A Calling for Co-operation of Oromo and Amhara Elites Against EPP

Post by sun » 17 Mar 2021, 07:19

OPFist wrote:
17 Mar 2021, 05:54
I think the only common denominator can be acceptance of union based on self-determination of nations. If Ezema activists are democrats in practice as they do say always, I hope they will accept this. Nations should decide on their own destiny based on free will, be it for freedom within union or for an independence without union. Does their rhetoric about democracy include such demand of peoples to decide on their destiny? Or are they smart unitarist foxes in sheep’s skin? Or are some of them just naive poleticians, being instrumentalized to fullfill intention of the extremists, who want to restore their domination at any cost? I hope, slowly, Amhara people will think and act independently from the hitherto extremist minded chauvinist conservatives.
Really? :P :P

So you just sit far away in your insulated ivory tower some where in a foreign country and look at the positions of the stars in the sky wishing and dreaming to have some 80 independent free states simply because there are some 80 nations and nationalities out there in Ethiopia, (the land of the great kushitic civilization stae and nation builders and the source and origin of democracy, egalitarianism and the very origin of the human species):

And further after that you seem to be wishing lots of independent clan free states in thousands. And then after that another several thousands of sub clan independent free states because the concepts and concerns of arm chair anarchist freedom is so hypnotically and emotionally sweet like sweet potato and sweet candy for preschool children and YOU LOVE Freedom so much as an irresponsible arm chair Dr.feel good modern anarchiststan, (Ethiopian brand reborn Mihail Bakunin) :P hoping that it is so easy some what like LOVING the chewing of cheesy and messy king size hamburgers with no traces of responsibility thinking that nation building is as easy as cheeseburger chewing traa daadaa, yadaa, yadaa... in Miami. Last but not just keep bowing low, begging amaras to come to your help and establish endless free and independent states now that your first noisy magician Gods/tplf got melted in to the thine air after receiving the spicy corrective punishments that are bitter sweet as well as so Sunny and so fair. "Girrigirr le lebaa yimmechaal" yibaalal ekoo.
Agree? Yes you agree without any worry!
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Re: A Calling for Co-operation of Oromo and Amhara Elites Against EPP

Post by OPFist » 17 Mar 2021, 07:46

The two positions, i.e position of  Amhara forces (unconditional unity) vs position of Oromo fronts (union based on free will) should be discussed and debated before attempting to forge an alliance against EPP. Even when nations give their vote to freedom within union, then it is mandatory to decide secondly on which type of federal arrangement to be accepted. Amhara forces are advocators of geography based federalism in contrast to language based federalism (“ethnic federalism”), which is preferred by most of freedom fighters. As “democrats”, all of them can live accepting the winner per public verdict. This is what UDJ wanted to achieve in Medrek. Actually UDJ got what it intended to achieve: §39 was rejected and if Medrek wins in any election, the issue regarding type of federation will be decided by public verdict. Here, it seems that federalist Oromo parties in Medrek lost in the compromise solution. They didn’t insist to achieve right of Oromo nation to self-determination and even they compromised the further existence of Oromia because of the fact that if geography based federation wins, this region will be dismantled.

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