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[Sadacha Macca]

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Fanos and Amaras celebrating the burning of mosques and Muslim businesses in gojjam



Yes opmerc just because i didnt blindly follow the narrative propagated by well known liars aka Amara extremist elitists and their kind; I am not "qualified," to bring attention to such a serious matter, even though I am Muslim, Ethiopian and Oromo; and the majority of Muslims in Amara state and in Ethiopia in general and Amara state in particular, are Oromo as well!
Your flawed logic is too obvious to not point out.
Once again: if your first reaction to this tragedy is to deflect, change the subject and get defensive; then perhaps you should reexamine your intentions and etc before pointing fingers at ANYONE.

He does not have to directly advocate for violence.
His comments saying muslims are essentially taking over would suffice to alarm hia followers who most likely already harbor anti Muslim and perhaps even anti oromo sentiments, and make them react emotionally. The fact that he said muslim businesses and so on are "increasing in gojjam," and this tragedy occurring in gojjam could suffice to refute your silly argument that his words had no effect or etc.
If you're referring to jawar and co, all you're doing is changing the subject again and deflecting!
Open your own thread on that topic If you want and I'm sure we'll engage you there and my first reaction won't be to deflect either. I'll address your points then etc.
And yes if daniel kibrets advice leads to oromo interests being harmed or even worse, i do not believe he's a proper adviser for any government.
Marginalizing oromos and not answering their legitimate questions will just lead to more instability and civil unrest. Then we'll just remain in this perpetual cycle of poverty, wars, and so on; the same situation of Ethiopia for over a century.
Ethiopia will NEVER have true, lasting peace if oromos questions aren't answered. You cannot marginalize the economic military and geographical backbone of a country and expect to have stability and development... That defies logic.


And yes indeed you have every right to love emiye menelik and long for the days of enslaving oromo farmers and so on; just as we have every right to hate him and the poverty he doomed oromos and other southerners to, due to misappropriation of their lands. And if you think most Ethiopians idolize him you're more delusional than I thought kind sir.

[opmerc]

We're going in circles so this is where I'll stop. If you want people to take your pleas for condemnation seriously you would have to have first demonstrated an ounce of humanity when the same (and even worse) was happening to others. Instead you couldn't even be bothered to put aside your political positions for one second and acknowledge that the perpetrators needed to be brought to justice. All you did then was deny it even happened or accused EZEMA of all people of doing it and if it was committed by Oromos, it was okay because they must have been defending themselves. Everyone saw that. Now you show up when mosques burn and the first thing you do is dare extremists from the other side to suddenly abandon theirs. That means the deaths of those people before and even the burning of these mosques is just a game to you. Something to trade insults and accumulate victim points with other extremists.

That's why it makes you the least qualified person to even talk about this topic. It has nothing to do with you being supposedly Oromo or Muslim. Being those things doesn't automatically make you the most qualified person to speak on a topic. I jumped in here not deflect from this horrible event (this was the only one started at the time on this subject) but to stop you from using it to start some Amhara vs Muslim or Amhara vs Oromo insult trading. No one needs that nonsense.

If you think what Daniel Kibret said is sufficient to bring him to justice, you are welcome to take it to authorities and demand he be charged for it. But don't be disappointed if nothing becomes of it or they tell you that's not a criminal offense because it isn't. And don't expect any one else to be fooled by your obvious political zemetcha against him.

There is nothing more absurd than talking about Oromos being marginalized at this stage. Oromos have never been in power like they are today. Redressing real grievances brought on Oromo farmers have never been rectified at the pace they are today. But we all know that's never been enough for you extremists because what you really want is to plant some Oromo flag in Addis Abeba and claim it is now yours. There is nothing legitimate about that request and you'll find out that will never work out for you. Constantly threatening war on the internet if you don't get it won't get you anywhere closer to achieving it either. Many people have told you it's not happening already. So either go join the other Oromo bandits and start your war or behave like an adult and learn to compromise.

[Sadacha Macca]

The situation that occurred in Oromia, was not as clear cut as what occurred in eastern Gojjam, first of all.
Nor were there oromos dancing and celebrating as the churches burned, as we've seen in gojjam.
the video is easy to find, i can post the link just let me know! So you cannot compare the two.
And the very fact that you get defensive and respond with that, first, shows just where your priorities lay kind sir, whether you are willing to admit it or not, it's as clear as a summer day.
I agree that ALL violence against religious institutions should be condemned, regardless of if it's a church or mosque.
BTW- is it clear who was behind the burning of churches in oromia? do you know for a fact, who did it?
If so, why don't you help authorities instead of sharing such valuable knowledge with people on this forum, sir



Never said that ''i was the most qualified,'' [which is a very vague and incoherent statement, btw!]; but since it was an attack on my people-muslim ethiopians, it effects me more than say, the extremists in gojjames who were dancing and celebrating as if they just liberated welkait [which they lack the guts to do, they are only brave against buildings, apparently]!
just as the burning of churches, effects primarily those who worship there, the christians, and then everyone else as ethiopians are effected secondly- but once again, not a single oromo or muslim was celebrating those burnings on video. if you can prove me wrong, please post the proof kind sir.

a few oromos being in positions of power doesn't mean much if their questions of land ownership, language questions, etc.. aren't answered yes finfinne keenyuma, like it or not, this is a major issue for oromos, and even our worst enemies know finfinne=handhura oromia, but we are not saying it's ours exclusively, we want to and will share ours with our neighbors and countrymen and women, this is our culture.

the same way amara elites from menz mostly, did not represent amaras in general, or benefit them at all seeing as how they remained as poor/their land was as under-developed [even more, in some cases] than most of the rest of ethiopia!
And ha! If you think daniel kibret's speech wasn't provocative, imagine jawar mohammed then getting on stage and saying ''the christians in bale/arsi are growing in numbers, their businesses are growing and their restaurants are growing, and the other nonsense he was saying'' and I bet, ALL OF YOU on here would be saying he incited people against the christians, albeit in a subliminal/indirect way!
It's simple! If a group of people, already harbor mistrust and hatred potentially even, towards a group of minorities in this case, in their lands, and then one of their preachers goes on an interview complaining about how these minorities are growing in strength in various ways [financially, in this particular case!] then that mistrust/hatred would be magnified and they would be provoked/incited, to take actions: EVEN IF THE PREACHER DID NOT INTEND FOR THAT TO OCCUR, WHEN YOU ARE IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION, YOU SHOULD THINK TWICE, NAY, THRICE BEFORE UTTERING ANY WORDS, BECAUSE THE EFFECTS CAN AND WILL REVERBERATE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY! And once you utter said words, they control you; and you no longer control them.

[opmerc]

I have said all I can say to someone who is capable of learning from their own behavior. Since you are clearly not that person, I have nothing more to add to you. If you are convinced I am wrong, great. Go get Daniel Kibret arrested with all your evidence and then right afterwards attempt your takeover of any part of Addis Abeba. Sitting here on the internet telling me you or any part of your group can do any of these things does nothing to prove it to either of us.

Go do it, then come back and do your victory dance.