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Re: ABIY AHMED IS GOING TO INTRODUCE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO DISSOLVE ETHNIC FEDERALISM & KILLILS!!

Post by Naga Tuma » 12 Jun 2025, 16:51

Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 16:21
Naga Tuma wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 15:56
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 10:32
parliamentary and presidential are FORMS OF RULE; they are not POLITICAL SYSTEMS. Both forms of rule are run by people and people are prone to corruption (self-interest). So, there will be corruption now or in the future. period. If you don't know the difference between form of rule and a political system, here an example. Both US and UK are Democratic political systems but have different forms of rule, the former is presidential and the latter is parliamentary. China and US have different political system but both are presidential form of regime. Regime means a form of rule.
In your politically educated judgment, which of the two systems is less prone to corruption in the long run?
The question you are trying to ask is not about corruption but level of control and authoritarianism. In a parliamentary form of rule one party can rule for a long time if it continues to get the required majority at each election. In a presidential form of rule each person votes for a single national candidate and appears more representative. But the president also hails from a party so it is still a party rule. Politics cannot be organized with a political party at all. Abiy is proposing a two term president each term being 10 years. This is wrong. The America 4 years is too short. But 20 years is too long. The term should be 6 years for Ethiopia for two terms and after 12 years of service the outgoing president should be made an honorary president as an advisor for 4 years. This would be what I will argue for when the debate begins. For now the very idea of dismantling ethnocracy in itself is a significant step forward.
I wanted to add prone is the key word in my short comment here.

I thought the question is clear enough that you wouldn’t have to try to understand it and left it out.

Let me ask the question differently.

In your politically educated judgment, which of the two systems is more decentralized in delegating authority by the people to their elected leaders.

A simple answer of saying the parliamentary system or the presidential system would be sufficient.

I asked you because you have written on this forum that you have a training in political science, whatever that means.

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Re: ABIY AHMED IS GOING TO INTRODUCE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO DISSOLVE ETHNIC FEDERALISM & KILLILS!!

Post by Horus » 12 Jun 2025, 17:12

Naga Tuma wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 16:51
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 16:21
Naga Tuma wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 15:56
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 10:32
parliamentary and presidential are FORMS OF RULE; they are not POLITICAL SYSTEMS. Both forms of rule are run by people and people are prone to corruption (self-interest). So, there will be corruption now or in the future. period. If you don't know the difference between form of rule and a political system, here an example. Both US and UK are Democratic political systems but have different forms of rule, the former is presidential and the latter is parliamentary. China and US have different political system but both are presidential form of regime. Regime means a form of rule.
In your politically educated judgment, which of the two systems is less prone to corruption in the long run?
The question you are trying to ask is not about corruption but level of control and authoritarianism. In a parliamentary form of rule one party can rule for a long time if it continues to get the required majority at each election. In a presidential form of rule each person votes for a single national candidate and appears more representative. But the president also hails from a party so it is still a party rule. Politics cannot be organized with a political party at all. Abiy is proposing a two term president each term being 10 years. This is wrong. The America 4 years is too short. But 20 years is too long. The term should be 6 years for Ethiopia for two terms and after 12 years of service the outgoing president should be made an honorary president as an advisor for 4 years. This would be what I will argue for when the debate begins. For now the very idea of dismantling ethnocracy in itself is a significant step forward.
I wanted to add prone is the key word in my short comment here.

I thought the question is clear enough that you wouldn’t have to try to understand it and left it out.

Let me ask the question differently.

In your politically educated judgment, which of the two systems is more decentralized in delegating authority by the people to their elected leaders.

A simple answer of saying the parliamentary system or the presidential system would be sufficient.

I asked you because you have written on this forum that you have a training in political science, whatever that means.
አንተ ቱስ ቱስ ተብታባ ለምን ጉግል አታደርግም! ዝምብ አፍ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: ABIY AHMED IS GOING TO INTRODUCE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO DISSOLVE ETHNIC FEDERALISM & KILLILS!!

Post by Naga Tuma » 12 Jun 2025, 17:19

sesame wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 11:27
Unfortunately, the ethnic genie is out of the bottle!

sesame:

If I am not mistaken, you have written this line multiple times on this forum that you sound biased for it instead of standing against it.

Two very simple questions:

First, I wish to know if there is an equivalent word for ethnic in Tigrigna or any of the other languages spoken in Eritrea.

Second, if what you expediently call the genie in the bottle in Ethiopia exists, will it not have a spillover effect in Eritrea?

In addition, having read how hard working Eritreans thrive in other countries, wouldn’t Ethiopia also be a country where they can work hard and thrive despite the long struggle for independence?

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Re: ABIY AHMED IS GOING TO INTRODUCE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO DISSOLVE ETHNIC FEDERALISM & KILLILS!!

Post by Naga Tuma » 12 Jun 2025, 17:27

Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 17:12
Naga Tuma wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 16:51
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 16:21
Naga Tuma wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 15:56
Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 10:32
parliamentary and presidential are FORMS OF RULE; they are not POLITICAL SYSTEMS. Both forms of rule are run by people and people are prone to corruption (self-interest). So, there will be corruption now or in the future. period. If you don't know the difference between form of rule and a political system, here an example. Both US and UK are Democratic political systems but have different forms of rule, the former is presidential and the latter is parliamentary. China and US have different political system but both are presidential form of regime. Regime means a form of rule.
In your politically educated judgment, which of the two systems is less prone to corruption in the long run?
The question you are trying to ask is not about corruption but level of control and authoritarianism. In a parliamentary form of rule one party can rule for a long time if it continues to get the required majority at each election. In a presidential form of rule each person votes for a single national candidate and appears more representative. But the president also hails from a party so it is still a party rule. Politics cannot be organized with a political party at all. Abiy is proposing a two term president each term being 10 years. This is wrong. The America 4 years is too short. But 20 years is too long. The term should be 6 years for Ethiopia for two terms and after 12 years of service the outgoing president should be made an honorary president as an advisor for 4 years. This would be what I will argue for when the debate begins. For now the very idea of dismantling ethnocracy in itself is a significant step forward.
I wanted to add prone is the key word in my short comment here.

I thought the question is clear enough that you wouldn’t have to try to understand it and left it out.

Let me ask the question differently.

In your politically educated judgment, which of the two systems is more decentralized in delegating authority by the people to their elected leaders.

A simple answer of saying the parliamentary system or the presidential system would be sufficient.

I asked you because you have written on this forum that you have a training in political science, whatever that means.
አንተ ቱስ ቱስ ተብታባ ለምን ጉግል አታደርግም! ዝምብ አፍ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
ጉግል ላይ የሚገኘዉን ከሚጽፉ የተሻለ መልስ ይኖረሃል ብዬ ነዉ።

መልስ ከሌለህ ጉግል ላይ እንደ ዝንብ ጢዝ እያልኩ መልሱን እፈልጋለሁ።

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Re: ABIY AHMED IS GOING TO INTRODUCE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO DISSOLVE ETHNIC FEDERALISM & KILLILS!!

Post by Selam/ » 12 Jun 2025, 18:43

ቱስ ቱስ ጭልፊቱ aka ዲዲቲ

ስንዴው ተርፎን አራት ጊዜ እየበላን፣ ካድሬ ተወግዶ ህዝቡ በነፃነት እንደልቡ የፈለገውን እያወራ፣ እስር ቤቶች ወና ሆነውና ወደ ቤተ-ማሳያነት ተለውጠው፣ ብሄሮች ድንበራቸው ተነስቶ ተደበላልቀው፣ ከዚያም በተረፈ ወንዞች ፅድት ብለው ሞልተው እየፈሰሱ፣ መንገዱ በመብራት አሸብርቆ፣ ህዝቡ በስራና በትርፍ ጊዜው እየተዝናናባቸው፣ ስለ ምን ዓይነት ችግር ነው የምታወራው?


Horus wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 12:02
እኛ የራስችንን ችግር ራሳችን እንጨነቅበት !

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Re: ABIY AHMED IS GOING TO INTRODUCE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO DISSOLVE ETHNIC FEDERALISM & KILLILS!!

Post by sesame » 13 Jun 2025, 08:04

Naga Tuma,

I have written many times that Ethiopia is on the brink of disintegration and that, in my opinion, we may have reached the point of no return. This is not a result of bias but a statement of the obvious. The tragedy is that Ethiopians, by and large, don't seem to recognize the urgency in the rapid deterioration of the security of their nation! Civil wars are raging everywhere. The economy is crumbling, so much so, that even medical doctors are now struggling to survive. Daily kidnappings and inter-ethnic violence has become the norm! And yet, instead of addressing these urgent existential matters, the PP government wants more conflict. A mediocre leader at the best of times, the blundering Abiy will only hasten the arrival of the catastrophe! As if things are not bad enough, he now wants to raise taxes on his people while at the same time wasting billions on streets, parks and palaces!

Ethiopia's disintegration is going to be horrendous for Ethiopians. The effect on neighbours will be similar to the effect of the civil wars in the Sudan, Somalia and South Sudan, injurious but managable. Many Eritreans, who just a year ago were strong supporters of a united Ethiopia, are now openly welcoming its disintegration. You can't expect anything less when Ethiopia's leaders and elite openly declare their intention to rob us of our sovereign properties!

That said, I still hope that intelligent and sane Ethiopian politicians and activists like Jawar, who clearly understand the urgency of the impending calamity, will be able to convince influential military and political leaders to get rid of Abiy and reverse course! Otherwise, medicority and incurable narcissism will prove to be fatal!

Naga Tuma wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 17:19
sesame wrote:
12 Jun 2025, 11:27
Unfortunately, the ethnic genie is out of the bottle!

sesame:

If I am not mistaken, you have written this line multiple times on this forum that you sound biased for it instead of standing against it.

Two very simple questions:

First, I wish to know if there is an equivalent word for ethnic in Tigrigna or any of the other languages spoken in Eritrea.

Second, if what you expediently call the genie in the bottle in Ethiopia exists, will it not have a spillover effect in Eritrea?

In addition, having read how hard working Eritreans thrive in other countries, wouldn’t Ethiopia also be a country where they can work hard and thrive despite the long struggle for independence?

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