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Re: If Ethiopian forces don't vacate Somalia by 31 December, are they legitimate target as an occupying force?

Post by Somaliman » 09 Dec 2024, 15:42

Now almost anyone is at risk outside Addis Ababa, as Ethiopia is in the midst of lawlessness and kidnapping epidemic. Ethiopia travel advice.

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Re: If Ethiopian forces don't vacate Somalia by 31 December, are they legitimate target as an occupying force?

Post by sarcasm » 09 Dec 2024, 18:53

Affable wrote:
09 Dec 2024, 12:18

The best case scenario is we will bring our case to United Nations. That makes a lot sense. Kicking out is practically impossible.
PM Abiy is lucky you are not his advisor as you'd land him in hot water. Don't you know respect for territorial integrity of other states is fundamental principle of the U.N?

When you are the PM who's threatening to invade each and every of your neighbors because you want what is not yours, when disregard to respecting the territorial integrity of other states is your budge of honor you show off in your parliament, approaching the U.N would be the last thing you wound want to do. Even Russia and North Korea won't get any close to you.


"The United Nations (UN) Charter's Article 2(4) requires all member states to respect the territorial integrity of other states, and prohibits the use or threat of force against their territorial integrity or political independence. This principle is a fundamental part of international law and is also recognized as customary international law.

The principle of territorial integrity means that sovereign states have the right to defend their borders and territory from other states. It also means that states should not attempt to promote secessionist movements or border changes in other states."

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Re: If Ethiopian forces don't vacate Somalia by 31 December, are they legitimate target as an occupying force?

Post by Affable » 09 Dec 2024, 22:53

Whether Abiy is lucky because I am not his advisor or not is debatable. What I advise him, however , if I were his advisor, right now would be to not leave Somalia as is. Ethiopia has a vital interest to check what is going on down there. Egypt doesn’t share border with Somalia. But Egyptian military activity down there has happened for awhile. Now, that politically ደንቆሮ የ ግብፅ ፕሬዘዳንት አደብ የገዛ ይመስላል። አንድ ሰሞን the three stooges የሚያረጉት ትያትር ከልብ ያስቀኝ ነበር።
If I were the advisor of Abiy, I would advise him to not be pushed over. Egypt doesn’t seem to have Ethiopian interest, and camping in Somalia, and there is the Somali Islamic radical group that kills innocents for no reason.
If I were his advisor, I tell him the sovereignty issue is a two way street. If Somalia chooses to be subservient to Egyptian interest, Ethiopia has the necessity to make sure Somalia can’t serve as a springboard for any political entity that wishes bad to Ethiopia.
My interest is Ethiopia’s interest to be respected. On second thought why Abiy is not lucky having me as an advisor.

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Re: If Ethiopian forces don't vacate Somalia by 31 December, are they legitimate target as an occupying force?

Post by sarcasm » 14 Dec 2024, 11:26

If what Jawar is saying is true, then they can stay in Somalia post 31 December!


"በጋራ መግለጫው ላይ ባይገለጽም ኢትዮጲያ ከሶማሊላንድ ጋር የተፈራረመችውን ስምምነት ሽራለች። ሶማሊያ ደግሞ የኢትዮጲያ ጦር ከሀገሯ እንዲወጣ ስታራምደው የነበረውን አቋም ቀይራለች።"


የአንካራውን ስምምነት መግለጫ ካነበብኩ በኋላ፣ በጉዳዩ ላይ ቀጥተኛ ሚና ከነበራቸው አካላት ተጨማሪ መረጃ በማሰባሰብ የሚከተልውን መረዳት ችያለሁ።

- በጋራ መግለጫው ላይ ባይገለጽም ኢትዮጲያ ከሶማሊላንድ ጋር የተፈራረመችውን ስምምነት ሽራለች።
ሶማሊያ ደግሞ የኢትዮጲያ ጦር ከሀገሯ እንዲወጣ ስታራምደው የነበረውን አቋም ቀይራለች።

- ከሶማሊላንድ ጋር ተደርጎ የነበረው ስምምነት ኢትዮጵያ ሶማሌላንድን እንደ ነጻ ሀገር እውቆና ለመስጠት፤ በምትኩም ለወደብ እና የባህር ኃይል የሚሆን የባህር በር ማግኘት እንደነበር የሚታወስ ነው። የአንካራው ስምምነት ደግሞ ኢትዮጲያ የሶማሊያን ሉዓላዊነት እና የግዛት አንድነት ለማክበር፣ ሶማሊያ ደግሞ ወደቦቿን ኢትዮጲያ እንድትጠቀም እንድትፈቅድ የሚል ነው።

- ይህ ማለት የአንካራው ስምምነት ኢትዮጲያን የባህር ወደብ ባለቤትነት ሳይሆን የመጠቀም መብትን የሚወስን ነው። ማለትም የኢትዮጲያ መንግስት በሶማሊላንዱ ስምምነት ተጎነጻፍኩት ሲለው የነበረው የወደብ ባለቤትነት ቀርቶ፣ የሶማሊያንም ሆነ የሌላ ሀገራትን ወደብ በሊዝ፣ በኮንትራት ወዘት የሁለትዮሽ ስምምነት መጠቀም ትችላለች በሚለዉ ተተክቷል። ይህ ደግሞ እንደ United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) ያሉ የአለም አቀፍ ህጎች ላይ የተመሰረተ ይሆናል። ሶማሊያም ሆነች ሌሎች ጎረቤቶቻችን ድሮውንም የተቀበሉት ጉዳይ ነው።ለምሳሌ ጂቡቲ የታጁራን በሊዝ ለኢትዮጲያ ለመስጠት እንደምትፈልግ ደጋግማ ተናግራለች።

ሲጠቃለል የአንካራው ስምምነት የኢትዮጲያ እና ሶማሊያን ዲፕሎማሲያዊ ግንኙነት እንዲሁም ኢትዮጲያ የወደብ ባለቤት ለመሆን የምታደርገውን ሙከራ ከአምና (የሶማሊልንዱ ስምምነት ከተፈረመበት ከጃኑዋሪ 1፣ 2024) በፊት ወደነበረበት የሚመልስ ነው። ለዚሁ ነበር ያን ሁሉ ዲፕሎማሲያዊ ዋጋ የተከፈለው?

ሀገር የምትመራው በእውቀት ላይ በተመሰረተ የሰከነ እቅድ ይልቅ በባብዶ ምኞት ሲሆን ውጤቱ ሀገራዊ ተዓማኒነት (credibility) በእጅጉ መጉዳት ነው። በዚህ ጉዳይ ከተፈጸሙ ስህተቶች እና የደርሰውን ሀገራዊ ኪሳራ ለማመን እና ለመማር ዝግጁ የሆነ ዓዕምሮ ካለን፣ ወደፊት እንዳንደግመው ይረዳን ይሆናል።


https://x.com/Jawar_Mohammed/status/1867456987924976085

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Re: If Ethiopian forces don't vacate Somalia by 31 December, are they legitimate target as an occupying force?

Post by sarcasm » 28 Dec 2024, 08:03

It seems that Somalia does not want Ethiopian soldiers in the new mission.




https://x.com/SuldanMohamed_/status/1872684475789799664

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