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[sarcasm]

Let me be a devil's advocate for a moment and see things from Isiais's perspective. Abiy said he wants to retake Assab / Red Sea access from Eritrea. There is a clear threat of Ethiopian invasion to internationally recognized Eritrean territories.

Isn't it imperative for Isaias to work with regional allies to create a reliable deterrence that works to deal with Ethiopia's threat to Eritrea's territorial integrity?


You know Abiy wants to invade you. What would you do if you were in Isaias's shoes? Discuss . . .

[sarcasm]

"የግብጽ ፖሊሲ በናይልና፤ የአቢይ ፖሊሲ በቀይ ባሕር [በኤርትራ]፤ አንድ ዓይነት ናቸው። ሁለቱም tenable አይደሉም።" ዶ/ር ዮናስ ብሩ

[DefendTheTruth]

Let me be a devil's advocate for a moment and see things from Isiais's perspective. Abiy said he wants to retake Assab / Red Sea access from Eritrea. There is a clear threat of Ethiopian invasion to internationally recognized Eritrean territories.

Isn't it imperative for Isaias to work with regional allies to create a reliable deterrence that works to deal with Ethiopia's threat to Eritrea's territorial integrity?


You know Abiy wants to invade you. What would you do if you were in Isaias's shoes? Discuss . . .

Well, you might have a point to make but before we come to that conclusion let's have a closer look at how Eritrea was allowed to have an "internationally recognized territories"?

Mind saying it?

[Abere]

"with Ethiopia's threat to Eritrea's territorial integrity?" ----- Sounds either the ghost of Meles Zenawi or Sebahat Nega is speaking. Does this territory of Eritrea include Badme, Zalanbessa, Adigrat, Shire, etc.

No, simply Ethiopians were silenced by TPLF about their country does not mean Eritrea is a country. Please note, there is nothing absolute , Ethiopia has the right to disregard anything Woyane signed off in favor of their Al- Shabia cousins. Assab in particular was given as a bonus, winking for Eritrea to deposit in the name of Eritrea for the future Abay Tigray Republic ,stealing from Awusa Awuraja of Wolo province of Ethiopia. This is not such a complex math or algorism.

Let me be a devil's advocate for a moment and see things from Isiais's perspective. Abiy said he wants to retake Assab / Red Sea access from Eritrea. There is a clear threat of Ethiopian invasion to internationally recognized Eritrean territories.

Isn't it imperative for Isaias to work with regional allies to create a reliable deterrence that works to deal with Ethiopia's threat to Eritrea's territorial integrity?

[sarcasm]

Well, you might have a point to make but before we come to that conclusion let's have a closer look at how Eritrea was allowed to have an "internationally recognized territories"?

Mind saying it?

Eritrea drove Ethiopian military out of Eritrea and became a de-facto country in 1991. Then Ethiopia facilitated UN observed referendum in 1993 and the vote for independence won. Then Ethiopia recognized Eritrea as independent country and the whole world followed on to recognize Eritrea as independent country. It became a member of AU, UN etc etc.

No, simply Ethiopians were silenced by TPLF about their country does not mean Eritrea is a country.

Attaining independence is like losing your virginity. Once you cross the road, you don't go back to being nonindependent again, unless you chose to do so.

[DefendTheTruth]

Well, that much we have heard already many times. But that alone can't clear the whole set up of what it is in reality: a sham setup orchestrated on the back of the people of Ethiopia by those who didn't have their consent to decide on any issue of their interest, let alone such a strategic decision of relegating Ethiopia to a landlocked country.

Meles Zenawi and his cohorts were never elected into office and didn't have the consent of the people to rule over them. Instead they imposed their will on the people by the force of barrel of the gun. That is unjust anywhere in this world.

That staged sham alone deprives the whole scheme its resemblance of any sort of legality.

The people of Ethiopia didn't have any form of an opportunity to say on the matter of such a national issue like "Eritrean independence", as such a victim of a grand-conspiracy staged on its back. Even the people in Eritrea itself were only asked "if they want freedom or slavery" and now you tell us a referendum was held. We were told later on the people of Eritrea who opted to stay in their mother land were dubbed traitors and sent to concentration camps or even got killed. That much has been known about the "referendum".

It will be never too late to reclaim one's delayed justice!

If you admit to have won your independence from Ethiopia militarily, then Ethiopia has a God given right to reciprocate and win over those who "drove Ethiopian military". You deserve to win militarily in your own words, and what forbids Ethiopia to not retaliate??

Well, you might have a point to make but before we come to that conclusion let's have a closer look at how Eritrea was allowed to have an "internationally recognized territories"?

Mind saying it?

Eritrea drove Ethiopian military out of Eritrea and became a de-facto country in 1991. Then Ethiopia facilitated UN observed referendum in 1993 and the vote for independence won. Then Ethiopia recognized Eritrea as independent country and the whole world followed on to recognize Eritrea as independent country. It became a member of AU, UN etc etc. Attaining independence is like losing your virginity. Once you cross the road, you don't go back to being nonindependent again, unless you chose to do so.

[Abere]

Well, Eritrea was first devirginated (penetrated) by Italy; Then, Ethiopia got her back and Eritrea being first devirginated by Italy did not bother Ethiopia. The issue is Woyane colluded with Eritrea to steal Ethiopian territory and people by crying foul.

Did Russia ask the virginity of Crimea? Crimea is now under Russian embrace. Look the number of Ascaris here wanting to be hugged by Ethiopia.

No, simply Ethiopians were silenced by TPLF about their country does not mean Eritrea is a country.

Attaining independence is like losing your virginity. Once you cross the road, you don't go back to being nonindependent again, unless you chose to do so.

[Digital Weyane]

ኡኛ ኖርዝ ተጋሩ እና ሳውዝ ተጋሩም ትራይባርታይድ ስሙሙነት ሞፈረም ያስፈልገናል። ፕሪቶሪያ መሄድ አያስፈልገንም። እዛው ደደቢት በርሀ ተገናኝነትን በኖርዝ ትግራዋይ ዎንድማችን Abere መሪነት የመተማመኛ ምልክት በአውራ ጣታችን የትራይባርታይዱ ስሙሙነትን ሞፈረም እንችላለን።

[Educator]

If I were in Isayas shoes, I would exactly do what he did to prevent satan Mamo killo from invading Eritrea. Satan Mamo killo declared in unambiguous terms his desire to run over Eritrea to get back Assab. He also threatened to snatch territory from Somalia as well. He is an expansionist who needs to be put in check. Therefore, as an Eritrean or Somalian leader or citizen I would advocate for these two countries to make a defense pact with as many powerful countries as possible to defeat Satan Mamo killo if he ever tries to invade them.

Whether Asseb belongs to Ethiopia or Eritrea is a legal question. It is my strong belief and conviction that both Asseb and Djibouti belong to Ethiopia. The two successive governments, Derg and Woyane, sold the two ports without the will of Ethiopians. They committed treason. We should get the two ports back. But it is not through violence and sacrifice of innocent Ethiopian youths of poor background. Ethiopia should set up a capable government and argue its cases before international courts to get its territory back. But that is not what you like to discuss here, so I leave it for a different thread.

Let me be a devil's advocate for a moment and see things from Isiais's perspective. Abiy said he wants to retake Assab / Red Sea access from Eritrea. There is a clear threat of Ethiopian invasion to internationally recognized Eritrean territories.

Isn't it imperative for Isaias to work with regional allies to create a reliable deterrence that works to deal with Ethiopia's threat to Eritrea's territorial integrity?


You know Abiy wants to invade you. What would you do if you were in Isaias's shoes? Discuss . . .

[sarcasm]

Well, that much we have heard already many times. But that alone can't clear the whole set up of what it is in reality: a sham setup orchestrated on the back of the people of Ethiopia by those who didn't have their consent to decide on any issue of their interest, let alone such a strategic decision of relegating Ethiopia to a landlocked country.

Meles Zenawi and his cohorts were never elected into office and didn't have the consent of the people to rule over them. Instead they imposed their will on the people by the force of barrel of the gun. That is unjust anywhere in this world.

That staged sham alone deprives the whole scheme its resemblance of any sort of legality.

The people of Ethiopia didn't have any form of an opportunity to say on the matter of such a national issue like "Eritrean independence", as such a victim of a grand-conspiracy staged on its back. Even the people in Eritrea itself were only asked "if they want freedom or slavery" and now you tell us a referendum was held. We were told later on the people of Eritrea who opted to stay in their mother land were dubbed traitors and sent to concentration camps or even got killed. That much has been known about the "referendum".

It will be never too late to reclaim one's delayed justice!

If you admit to have won your independence from Ethiopia militarily, then Ethiopia has a God given right to reciprocate and win over those who "drove Ethiopian military". You deserve to win militarily in your own words, and what forbids Ethiopia to not retaliate??

Eritrea has been a sovereign country for over 30 years. Reading the aggression and warmongering in your post; what would you do to protect your sovereignty and territorial integrity if you put yourself in Isaias's shoes? Wouldn't you create regional and international alliances to protect your nation? Wouldn't you do everything you can to foil the aggressor's plans and capabilities, if you were Eritrean leader?

[ZEMEN]

Well, that much we have heard already many times. But that alone can't clear the whole set up of what it is in reality: a sham setup orchestrated on the back of the people of Ethiopia by those who didn't have their consent to decide on any issue of their interest, let alone such a strategic decision of relegating Ethiopia to a landlocked country.

Meles Zenawi and his cohorts were never elected into office and didn't have the consent of the people to rule over them. Instead they imposed their will on the people by the force of barrel of the gun. That is unjust anywhere in this world.

That staged sham alone deprives the whole scheme its resemblance of any sort of legality.

The people of Ethiopia didn't have any form of an opportunity to say on the matter of such a national issue like "Eritrean independence", as such a victim of a grand-conspiracy staged on its back. Even the people in Eritrea itself were only asked "if they want freedom or slavery" and now you tell us a referendum was held. We were told later on the people of Eritrea who opted to stay in their mother land were dubbed traitors and sent to concentration camps or even got killed. That much has been known about the "referendum".

It will be never too late to reclaim one's delayed justice!

If you admit to have won your independence from Ethiopia militarily, then Ethiopia has a God given right to reciprocate and win over those who "drove Ethiopian military". You deserve to win militarily in your own words, and what forbids Ethiopia to not retaliate??

Eritrea has been a sovereign country for over 30 years. Reading the aggression and warmongering in your post; what would you do to protect your sovereignty and territorial integrity if you put yourself in Isaias's shoes? Wouldn't you create regional and international alliances to protect your nation? Wouldn't you do everything you can to foil the aggressor's plans and capabilities, if you were Eritrean leader?

I agree with you. Has he, Isaias played the white man's game and the African stupidity, the game of democracy Eritrea would have fragmented long time ago. He weathered the situation perfectly. say what you want but he did it.

[wubebereha]

[/quote]

Eritrea drove Ethiopian military out of Eritrea and became a de-facto country in 1991. Then Ethiopia facilitated UN observed referendum in 1993 and the vote for independence won. Then Ethiopia recognized Eritrea as independent country and the whole world followed on to recognize Eritrea as independent country. It became a member of AU, UN etc etc.

[/quote]

it is TPLF that facilitated Eritrea's secession not Ethiopia . but be that as it may if Eritrea used force to get what it wants, that resulted unjustly landlocking Ethiopia with its over 100 million people, why can't Ethiopia do the same and reverse the injustice. we can argue till the cows come home but the only rational reason for Ethiopia to be without an inch of access to the sea is its weakness and division that is abused by its enemies far and near.

[Abere]

That Abay Tigray dream is still burning in sarcasm's heart.

Sarcasm does not even question why Eritrea salivated to invade Ethiopia so as to take Badme, et al long after Woyane awarded her with steals from Ethiopia. For Woyane and Al -Shabia it has to be always a one way street. Ethiopia has to be stolen. Both Woyane and Shabia are thieves.

[DefendTheTruth]

sarcasm,

Eritrea is an entity with a birth defect, it can never attain a normalcy hence after. The last over 35 years is only a testimony to this very fact. The old man can spend all he has but will never be able to straighten what was deformed at birth. The birth of Eritrea has to be revisited, reanalyzed and a meaningful solution should be sought.

Only because the time has elapsed over a long period of time can not legitimize the entity that was born with incurable defect.

He can look for all possible allies in order to conceal what has been there ever since the birth-time of Eritrea, he may also going to win the next or n more battles against us (Ethiopians, next generation Ethiopians), but he can never straighten the defect and have his way.

I think the people of Ethiopia are only waiting until a more suitable time may arrive and go for the restoration of what they have unduly deprived of. The pain of the wound persists.

In the so called Nile water sharing agreement between the two down stream countries of Egypt and Sudan, Ethiopia and the other upstream countries were never been parties to the agreement, it was as such not binding for them. That is why the new Nile Basin Initiative was launched in my view.

The same can be said with regard to the so called Eritrean independence: The Ethiopian people were never asked about their stance on the issue, the "agreement" or "referendum" can never be binding for them.

Let Isayas fight us in Somalia and lose more of his war machinery, that only makes the thereafter coming war against Eritrea proper more easier, if I may guess.

In this way or the other way he will be the loser! He spends all he has got to straighten what was inborn. But will never be successful!

BTW. I am not a warmonger, for I dreadfully hate war, war should be the last option. Those who refuse to the path of peace have already opted for war and war can only be dealt with war. No other option!

Well, that much we have heard already many times. But that alone can't clear the whole set up of what it is in reality: a sham setup orchestrated on the back of the people of Ethiopia by those who didn't have their consent to decide on any issue of their interest, let alone such a strategic decision of relegating Ethiopia to a landlocked country.

Meles Zenawi and his cohorts were never elected into office and didn't have the consent of the people to rule over them. Instead they imposed their will on the people by the force of barrel of the gun. That is unjust anywhere in this world.

That staged sham alone deprives the whole scheme its resemblance of any sort of legality.

The people of Ethiopia didn't have any form of an opportunity to say on the matter of such a national issue like "Eritrean independence", as such a victim of a grand-conspiracy staged on its back. Even the people in Eritrea itself were only asked "if they want freedom or slavery" and now you tell us a referendum was held. We were told later on the people of Eritrea who opted to stay in their mother land were dubbed traitors and sent to concentration camps or even got killed. That much has been known about the "referendum".

It will be never too late to reclaim one's delayed justice!

If you admit to have won your independence from Ethiopia militarily, then Ethiopia has a God given right to reciprocate and win over those who "drove Ethiopian military". You deserve to win militarily in your own words, and what forbids Ethiopia to not retaliate??

Eritrea has been a sovereign country for over 30 years. Reading the aggression and warmongering in your post; what would you do to protect your sovereignty and territorial integrity if you put yourself in Isaias's shoes? Wouldn't you create regional and international alliances to protect your nation? Wouldn't you do everything you can to foil the aggressor's plans and capabilities, if you were Eritrean leader?

[Dark Energy]

Aregit a donkey Abere and coward Galla defend the lie,

How did Eritrea became a province of Ethiopia in the first place ? Eritrean people never voted to become a province of Ethiopia. The midget king, himself violated the federation charter. Karma is a bi..tech. BTW, you can’t do sh…it about it. Poor starvation modeled nig…gar state Ethiopia is disintegrating. The West kept it as one this long, but the West knows that Ethiopia is being replaced by more prosperous and peaceful African countries sub as South Africa and off course the prince of Africa and the Middle East, known as Egypt.

[Abere]

DarkDonkey,

You being from the nomadic Jeberti camel tender definitely know nothing about the history of Eritrea province. Eritrea is the 14th province of Ethiopia - which she still is. Eritreans not only clapped in their hands but clapped, cheered and danced with their feet, so ecstatic in fulfilling their dream of re-joining their motherland Ethiopia. They were grateful to His Majesty Emperor Hailesselassie in welcoming them, accepting their persistent dream after they had been mistreated, discriminated, down trodden, exploited by Italy ( Italy which self was not even very much recognized as White by White European). You do not have to accept this indelible historically facts, because they are facts superior and your braying like a donkey or hiccup cannot do anything to the facts.

Aregit a donkey Abere and coward Galla defend the lie,

How did Eritrea became a province of Ethiopia in the first place ? Eritrean people never voted to become a province of Ethiopia. The midget king, himself violated the federation charter. Karma is a bi..tech. BTW, you can’t do sh…it about it. Poor starvation modeled nig…gar state Ethiopia is disintegrating. The West kept it as one this long, but the West knows that Ethiopia is being replaced by more prosperous and peaceful African countries sub as South Africa and off course the prince of Africa and the Middle East, known as Egypt.

[Fed_Up]

If I were in Isayas shoes, I would exactly do what he did to prevent satan Mamo killo from invading Eritrea. Satan Mamo killo declared in unambiguous terms his desire to run over Eritrea to get back Assab. He also threatened to snatch territory from Somalia as well. He is an expansionist who needs to be put in check. Therefore, as an Eritrean or Somalian leader or citizen I would advocate for these two countries to make a defense pact with as many powerful countries as possible to defeat Satan Mamo killo if he ever tries to invade them.

Whether Asseb belongs to Ethiopia or Eritrea is a legal question. It is my strong belief and conviction that both Asseb and Djibouti belong to Ethiopia. The two successive governments, Derg and Woyane, sold the two ports without the will of Ethiopians. They committed treason. We should get the two ports back. But it is not through violence and sacrifice of innocent Ethiopian youths of poor background. Ethiopia should set up a capable government and argue its cases before international courts to get its territory back. But that is not what you like to discuss here, so I leave it for a different thread.

Let me be a devil's advocate for a moment and see things from Isiais's perspective. Abiy said he wants to retake Assab / Red Sea access from Eritrea. There is a clear threat of Ethiopian invasion to internationally recognized Eritrean territories.

Isn't it imperative for Isaias to work with regional allies to create a reliable deterrence that works to deal with Ethiopia's threat to Eritrea's territorial integrity?


You know Abiy wants to invade you. What would you do if you were in Isaias's shoes? Discuss . . .

Aye neger AgameW asswash. Wedi shrmútaa. How long you were acting Eritrean under your “Asswash” aliase?

[Fed_Up]

DarkDonkey,

You being from the nomadic Jeberti camel tender definitely know nothing about the history of Eritrea province. Eritrea is the 14th province of Ethiopia - which she still is. Eritreans not only clapped in their hands but clapped, cheered and danced with their feet, so ecstatic in fulfilling their dream of re-joining their motherland Ethiopia. They were grateful to His Majesty Emperor Hailesselassie in welcoming them, accepting their persistent dream after they had been mistreated, discriminated, down trodden, exploited by Italy ( Italy which self was not even very much recognized as White by White European). You do not have to accept this indelible historically facts, because they are facts superior and your braying like a donkey or hiccup cannot do anything to the facts.

Aregit a donkey Abere and coward Galla defend the lie,

How did Eritrea became a province of Ethiopia in the first place ? Eritrean people never voted to become a province of Ethiopia. The midget king, himself violated the federation charter. Karma is a bi..tech. BTW, you can’t do sh…it about it. Poor starvation modeled nig…gar state Ethiopia is disintegrating. The West kept it as one this long, but the West knows that Ethiopia is being replaced by more prosperous and peaceful African countries sub as South Africa and off course the prince of Africa and the Middle East, known as Egypt.

Starvin Marvin with blotted belly. Go put shoe on your ugly feet and food on your empty belly first.
Ethiopia is landlocked and will remain landlocked FOREVER if the pathetic Ethiopia continues as a country by miracle. Get used to it.

[Dark Energy]

Idiotic ባርያ ኣህያው ኣበረ

You are a talking donkey. You look like a donkey, You are coward like your donkey. Your ancestry roots come from the donkey tribes. Boy, I am talking to a donkey. ባርያ ኣህያው ኣበረ

[DefendTheTruth]

Idiotic ባርያ ኣህያው ኣበረ

You are a talking donkey. You look like a donkey, You are coward like your donkey. Your ancestry roots come from the donkey tribes. Boy, I am talking to a donkey. ባርያ ኣህያው ኣበረ

Why are you most of Eritreans on this forum rushing to the use of the same old and boring way of bad-mouthing on somebody instead of trying to present your cases argumentatively, if you had one? Is that not a clear proof that you have no point to make and have to resort to your dirty and filthy mouths? Who cares about your filthy mouth, it is your way of life? Bunch of lost souls!