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Re: Sadacha's Oromo history corner

Post by Zack » 03 Jun 2024, 21:12

Dark Energy wrote:
02 Jun 2024, 13:27
Somali man aka Agame man,

I don’t hate you being deceitful Agame. I am Asmara bred Eritrean.If the government in Asmara just give lip service to Ethiopia or just ignore the idiotic Ethiopian leaders and surrender power to the people’s will, I wouldn’t be here conversing with deceitful Agames pretending to be Somalis like you. Like I said, I don’t hate Tigrayans. Actually, the Tigrayans , being a minority in Ethiopia, I sympathize with them. You see, I am on your side all along. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Why does everything have to be about agame why deflect all the time i dont get this, the other short legged shabians accused u to be an agame just because u opposed the patriotic dictator of Asmara.Doesnt make u an agame does it . You and i well know that Somali man is a pure Somali fellow and not even a Somali like my self from the occupied Somali region of Ethiopia. But he is from the mainland of Somalia. i think he and many other Somalis just in the last decade or so, figured out that Tigrayans even existed for Somalis from the main land all Ethiopians are the same the gallas amhara tigray gurage all the same , we dont make any sort of a distinction between them. For example all Somalis will call Ethiopians just Habashis as a whole or Amxaaro as they pronounce it ama itoobiyaanka cadawga ah meaning the enemy Ethiopians. These they use interchangeably. You are a smart fellow all Somaliman said was , use the same stick to hit all Ethiopians then u will get and protect ur nation from violation from what ever Ethiopian leader. U can use different ethnicity to divide them but the main cause is to divide them and defeat them. Not because u actually love galle more than amhara or agame more then gurage .


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Re: Sadacha's Oromo history corner

Post by Somaliman » 03 Jun 2024, 21:56

Zack wrote:
03 Jun 2024, 21:12
Dark Energy wrote:
02 Jun 2024, 13:27
Somali man aka Agame man,

I don’t hate you being deceitful Agame. I am Asmara bred Eritrean.If the government in Asmara just give lip service to Ethiopia or just ignore the idiotic Ethiopian leaders and surrender power to the people’s will, I wouldn’t be here conversing with deceitful Agames pretending to be Somalis like you. Like I said, I don’t hate Tigrayans. Actually, the Tigrayans , being a minority in Ethiopia, I sympathize with them. You see, I am on your side all along. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Why does everything have to be about agame why deflect all the time i dont get this, the other short legged shabians accused u to be an agame just because u opposed the patriotic dictator of Asmara.Doesnt make u an agame does it . You and i well know that Somali man is a pure Somali fellow and not even a Somali like my self from the occupied Somali region of Ethiopia. But he is from the mainland of Somalia. i think he and many other Somalis just in the last decade or so, figured out that Tigrayans even existed for Somalis from the main land all Ethiopians are the same the gallas amhara tigray gurage all the same , we dont make any sort of a distinction between them. For example all Somalis will call Ethiopians just Habashis as a whole or Amxaaro as they pronounce it ama itoobiyaanka cadawga ah meaning the enemy Ethiopians. These they use interchangeably. You are a smart fellow all Somaliman said was , use the same stick to hit all Ethiopians then u will get and protect ur nation from violation from what ever Ethiopian leader. U can use different ethnicity to divide them but the main cause is to divide them and defeat them. Not because u actually love galle more than amhara or agame more then gurage .


Dr Zackovich




Zack,

Again, spot on.

I'm a highly educated person compared to many Somalis and other people, yet the first time I heard Tigray or Tigrayan was when I joined this forum. Therefore, what do you expect from the average Somali!

It's in the north of Somalia where people call all Ethiopians either Habashi or Amharo, the rest of Somalis call them just Amharo with all sort of derogatory adjectives.

You're right, it's funny that on this forum they call Agame anyone they disagree with, just like Selam who even responds to me in Amharic, even though I told her many times that my Amharic skills were limited to just knowing ishi and yellam.
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Re: Sadacha's Oromo history corner

Post by Sadacha Macca » 03 Jun 2024, 22:00

''There's probably no better judge of a horse in the world than an Oromo. So much of an expert is he, in fact, that although he supplies the greater portion of Abyssinia it is seldom that he lets a horse go out of his country which has not some defect.
He will sell what he calls a seven, his markets being located in several towns of Southern Abyssinia.
Leaving the field of battle, and the unequal but savage contest between even the crudest of fire-arms and the Oromo spear, you cannot realize his disposition when you first come into his fertile country.
It is one of undulating plains and green meadows, thousands of horses contentedly munching the crisp grass, or with intelligent eyes and arched necks looking over wide fields of barley as if to inquire the cause of your intrusion.
Here and there Oromo men are splitting logs for firewood, while besides them, perhaps, is a manly looking fellow, peacefully conversing while leaning on his spears.
From thousands of clumps of trees the bee-shaped huts stand forth, in marked contrast to the squalor of Egypt, Nubia and Abyssinia.
Each has its neat grass plot before the door and if the owner has a cultivated field it is well kept and distinctly marked.''

[Title: Races, Author: Edward Sylvester Ellis, Pages 58-59]


(The agame troll eden aka zack aka abyssinialady aka somaliman is highly entertaining, 2nd only to the late great economics professor ethoash aka ''put skin in the game'')

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Re: Sadacha's Oromo history corner

Post by Sadacha Macca » 15 Jun 2024, 19:45

''In proposing a vote of thanks to Miss Werner, the Chairman invited remarks from those present. He remarked himself that the Oromos had played a very great part in the ancient civilization of Savage Africa.
They were one of the earliest representatives of the Caucasian race, and, through sheer force of circumstances, had lost some of their early civilization and came down in the world.

I think the race in even recent times has extended further south than we find it today. From examining vocabularies I am struck by the appearance of Oromo roots as far south as the north end of Lake Nyasa.
And, of course, in the history of East Africa we must recall that an important Oromo tribe, almost extinct at the present day-The Es-Segeju-helped the Portuguese to overcome the cannibal raid of the Bazimba.
The Bazimba seem to have started from South-west Congoland, and, after overwhelming the Portuguese almost entirely, they turned noth and sacked the Arab town of Kilwa, and were not finally disposed of until, with the assitance of the Es-segeju, they were completely exterminated near Mombasa.

All these Oromo peoples, both in Abyssinia, and, further south, in Equatorial East Africa, have been remarkably neglected by European students. The most we can glean of the language of the Southern Oromo is that work by Tutschek from 1 or more Oromo peoples of Abyssinia somewhere about 1848, and that gives one a tolerably correct impression, I am told, of some of the Southern dialects. All this has such an immensely important bearing on the past history of Africa, from ancient Egyptian days onwards, that I do hope the work of Miss Werner, when her article appears in the Journal of the African Society, will draw the attention of Governors, travellers, and missionaries to the Oromo peoples as they exist today, and, above all, to writing down their dialects.
There is no group of languages of more historical interest than the languages of the Hamites for the light they will throw on the Caucasian's relations with Africa; and yet, perhaps, there is no group more superficially studied.''


[African Affairs: Journal of the Royal African Society, Volume 13
Page 317. Published in 1913]

Further down, on page 318:

''The Oromo impinge on the Bantu negroes because the Oromos have permeated north-east Africa, and certainly seem to be the principal element in composing those Bantu aristocracies known to us mainly as the Bahima, in Uganda, and surrounding countries.
The Bahima are palpably of Oromo affinities. I have sometimes ventured to speak of them as being like the ancient Egyptians because you find among them a type of face which irresistibly recalls the portraiture of the Pharoahs. But, after all, the ancient Egyptians were closely allied to the Oromo. The Oromo seem to have been the original inhabitans of Somaliland when visited by Egyptian exploratory expeditions.
The Punt portraits which appear in engravings on stone and frescoes in Egyptian temples recall the Oromo more than anything else.
The Somali is possibly little more than a hybrid between the original nomadic population and Arab civilizers and immigrants.

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Re: Sadacha's Oromo history corner

Post by Sadacha Macca » 15 Jun 2024, 19:45

''In proposing a vote of thanks to Miss Werner, the Chairman invited remarks from those present. He remarked himself that the Oromos had played a very great part in the ancient civilization of Savage Africa.
They were one of the earliest representatives of the Caucasian race, and, through sheer force of circumstances, had lost some of their early civilization and came down in the world.

I think the race in even recent times has extended further south than we find it today. From examining vocabularies I am struck by the appearance of Oromo roots as far south as the north end of Lake Nyasa.
And, of course, in the history of East Africa we must recall that an important Oromo tribe, almost extinct at the present day-The Es-Segeju-helped the Portuguese to overcome the cannibal raid of the Bazimba.
The Bazimba seem to have started from South-west Congoland, and, after overwhelming the Portuguese almost entirely, they turned noth and sacked the Arab town of Kilwa, and were not finally disposed of until, with the assitance of the Es-segeju, they were completely exterminated near Mombasa.

All these Oromo peoples, both in Abyssinia, and, further south, in Equatorial East Africa, have been remarkably neglected by European students. The most we can glean of the language of the Southern Oromo is that work by Tutschek from 1 or more Oromo peoples of Abyssinia somewhere about 1848, and that gives one a tolerably correct impression, I am told, of some of the Southern dialects. All this has such an immensely important bearing on the past history of Africa, from ancient Egyptian days onwards, that I do hope the work of Miss Werner, when her article appears in the Journal of the African Society, will draw the attention of Governors, travellers, and missionaries to the Oromo peoples as they exist today, and, above all, to writing down their dialects.
There is no group of languages of more historical interest than the languages of the Hamites for the light they will throw on the Caucasian's relations with Africa; and yet, perhaps, there is no group more superficially studied.''


[African Affairs: Journal of the Royal African Society, Volume 13
Page 317. Published in 1913]

Further down, on page 318:

''The Oromo impinge on the Bantu negroes because the Oromos have permeated north-east Africa, and certainly seem to be the principal element in composing those Bantu aristocracies known to us mainly as the Bahima, in Uganda, and surrounding countries.
The Bahima are palpably of Oromo affinities. I have sometimes ventured to speak of them as being like the ancient Egyptians because you find among them a type of face which irresistibly recalls the portraiture of the Pharoahs. But, after all, the ancient Egyptians were closely allied to the Oromo. The Oromo seem to have been the original inhabitans of Somaliland when visited by Egyptian exploratory expeditions.
The Punt portraits which appear in engravings on stone and frescoes in Egyptian temples recall the Oromo more than anything else.
The Somali is possibly little more than a hybrid between the original nomadic population and Arab civilizers and immigrants.

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