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[Dark Energy]

If he was, he should have recognized Somali Land before signing any deal. Somali Land knew it too. Somali land welcomed the world wide awareness of its dire situation. Abbiy is a drama queen. He wants to hold on to power not only ten years but thirty years or more. His mantra is, if Isayas can do it, so can I. The only problem with that is, Eritrea and Ethiopia are not the same. Ethiopia has lived under semi democracy regimes. It is a rebellious country. With the likes of Fanos and co, his days are numbered. He is deceiving some Ethiopians some of the time. In the long run, shame on you…..is the old adage. BTW, the diplomatic community around the world understands his childish play. UN and AU members are watching with awe.

[Zack]

I dont think he is bluffing he upgraded the Somaliland office in Addis Ababa yesterday to a full embassy . But u could be right though he doesnt want to give his leverage away cards before he can establish a sea outpost on the northern shores. But i think he is no different then the other leadership of Ethiopia. The outlet has become a sticking point really i dont know where it will take him , I believe he will say to the Ethiopian masses. The TPFL recognition of Eritrea made us lose the sea. The Recognition of Somaliland made us gain a sea. So this is his talking point. I dont think he wont do it. Unless some one else gave him a better offer. Doubt any one in the region can give him a better offer then Somaliland. Since the other nations do not want something from Ethiopia, but Somaliland is desperado enough to sell their land for recognition. Now lets wait and see indeed. Only Somalia can stop him Militarily or Diplomatically if they find a solution with Somaliland.


Dr Zackovich

[ZEMEN]

The TPFL recognition of Eritrea made us lose the sea.

That is wrong. Neither Ethiopia nor TPLF recognized Eritrea's independence. To get recognition, the departing state must be a part of the parent state.
Accordingly, Somalia land needs recognition from the parent state Somalia to be independent. therefore, since Eritrea never been part of Ethiopia, Eritrea does not need any recognition and that is what happened. Let's not spread fake history.

[Zack]

The TPFL recognition of Eritrea made us lose the sea.

That is wrong. Neither Ethiopia nor TPLF recognized Eritrea's independence. To get recognition, the departing state must be a part of the parent state.
Accordingly, Somalia land needs recognition from the parent state Somalia to be independent. therefore, since Eritrea never been part of Ethiopia, Eritrea does not need any recognition and that is what happened. Let's not spread fake history.

Eritrea was part of Ethiopia legally and politically only after 1993 it became a full state which is true then.
Ethiopia recognsised Eritrea before any other country regonised eritrea. And the legal way eritrea gained recogntition was very simply they strong armed their tigrayan cousins to agree with a referendum on independence and the Tigrayans were like no problem at all. The Tigrayan had no problem with granting the eritreans their wish hence since the eritreans gave the tigrayans the keys to menelik palace.

Somaliland case is different Somaliland was a british colony then united with Somalia which was an italian colony and became the Somali republic.
The Somalilanders claim the act of union was never ratified.
Where as Somalia claims through the 1961 referendum it was ratified.
But the initial act of union was not ratified.
They declared unilateral independence because they feel that Somalia is not their parent country. From a legal point of view they might have a case but from a political point of view somalia is the parent country.
but to some experts the country that is leaving is always the child and the country that insists on union is the parent


Dr Zackovich

[ZEMEN]

The TPFL recognition of Eritrea made us lose the sea.

That is wrong. Neither Ethiopia nor TPLF recognized Eritrea's independence. To get recognition, the departing state must be a part of the parent state.
Accordingly, Somalia land needs recognition from the parent state Somalia to be independent. therefore, since Eritrea never been part of Ethiopia, Eritrea does not need any recognition and that is what happened. Let's not spread fake history.

Eritrea was part of Ethiopia legally and politically only after 1993 it became a full state which is true then.
Ethiopia recognsised Eritrea before any other country regonised eritrea. And the legal way eritrea gained recogntition was very simply they strong armed their tigrayan cousins to agree with a referendum on independence and the Tigrayans were like no problem at all. The Tigrayan had no problem with granting the eritreans their wish hence since the eritreans gave the tigrayans the keys to menelik palace.

Somaliland case is different Somaliland was a british colony then united with Somalia which was an italian colony and became the Somali republic.
The Somalilanders claim the act of union was never ratified.
Where as Somalia claims through the 1961 referendum it was ratified.
But the initial act of union was not ratified.
They declared unilateral independence because they feel that Somalia is not their parent country. From a legal point of view they might have a case but from a political point of view somalia is the parent country.
but to some experts the country that is leaving is always the child and the country that insists on union is the parent


Dr Zackovich

Eritrea was part of Ethiopia legally and politically only after 1993 it became a full state which is true then.

Dr, Zack, again wrong. Eritrea never has been part of Ethiopia. Eritrea was annexed by force by the late king of Ethiopia. The UN decided for Eritrea to federate with Ethiopia for ten years and then the UN to decide the fate of Eritrea after the ten years terms of federation has expired. Before the ten years terms, the king illegally abandoned the federation terms and announced that Eritrea the 14th province of Ethiopia, BY FORCE. Then Eritreans pick up the arms and fought for 30 years for their independence and to right the wrong that happened to them. After they controlled the whole Eritrea, they didn't just announce their dependence, they could have but what they did is, since the agreement with UN was to hold referendum after the end of 10 years federation, they went back to that agreement, and they held referendum, and they secured their free Eritrea.
You right that TPLF did gave their recognition, but no one asked them to do so, anyway they did it to appease the Eritreans. So, the point is since Eritrea was not part of Ethiopia, Eritreans never asked, nor they needed Ethiopians recognition. The truth. check it out for yourself.

[Misraq]

if Isayas can do it, so can I. The only problem with that is, Eritrea and Ethiopia are not the same. Ethiopia has lived under semi democracy regimes. It is a rebellious country.

That is correct. Brother Dark E, abiy believes in the "Law of Attraction" and he read the book called "The Secret". Abiy's mind is very simple and predictable. That is why some coined the word "Cheklaw" for him which roughly translates to the toddler

[Zack]

u have some valid points but nevertheless Eritrea was federated with Ethiopia and became part of the legal framework of Ethiopia whether the Emperor of Ethiopia annexed it and shut down the parliament of Eritrea is irrelevant. Legally u were part of Ethiopia. u fought bravely i give u that and u were smarter then our cousins in Somaliland. U understood how the world worked. Only A united nations supervised referendum can give legitimacy to ur independence nothing else thats just how the world works..

though i do agree that the UN federated it Eritrea with Ethiopia but from a legal point of view Eritrea would still needed TPLF or any one else in Ethiopia to sign of the referendum for Eritrea from a political point view, if they didnt u would have lived the same limbo as the Somalilanders. but i do think at least the entire arab world would have recognised Eitrea even with out Ethiopia blessing. Because the Arabs believed that Eritrea is under their sphere of inlunance and should not be part of Ethiopia. So they Arab league would have recognised Eritrea if it didnt had the blessing from Ethiopia

Besides it wasnt the UNITED NATIONS that gave Eritrea its independence, no it was their guns they won the civil war in Ethiopia conquered Addis Ababa carried their tegaru cousins to addis abab signed on Gun point the referendum , though the tigrayans had no problem with Eritreas independence to begin with. but then again the semantics do count indeed.

Dr Zackovich

[ZEMEN]

u have some valid points but nevertheless Eritrea was federated with Ethiopia and became part of the legal framework of Ethiopia whether the Emperor of Ethiopia annexed it and shut down the parliament of Eritrea is irrelevant. Legally u were part of Ethiopia. u fought bravely i give u that and u were smarter then our cousins in Somaliland. U understood how the world worked. Only A united nations supervised referendum can give legitimacy to ur independence nothing else thats just how the world works..

though i do agree that the UN federated it Eritrea with Ethiopia but from a legal point of view Eritrea would still needed TPLF or any one else in Ethiopia to sign of the referendum for Eritrea from a political point view, if they didnt u would have lived the same limbo as the Somalilanders. but i do think at least the entire arab world would have recognised Eitrea even with out Ethiopia blessing. Because the Arabs believed that Eritrea is under their sphere of inlunance and should not be part of Ethiopia. So they Arab league would have recognised Eritrea if it didnt had the blessing from Ethiopia

Besides it wasnt the UNITED NATIONS that gave Eritrea its independence, no it was their guns they won the civil war in Ethiopia conquered Addis Ababa carried their tegaru cousins to addis abab signed on Gun point the referendum , though the tigrayans had no problem with Eritreas independence to begin with. but then again the semantics do count indeed.

Dr Zackovich

Well, you are thinking I am not Eritrean but proud Amara and more so, the defender of the truth. The problem in our reign is not told the truth and we have been circling a viscous circle of lies. Let's tell the truth and let the region have peaceful coexistence. Eritrea was at the same point with Libya and Somalia. While Somalia and Libya granted their independence, Eritreans were denied from what was theirs. UN granted Libya and Somalia their independence and the same UN granted Eritrea's independence. If it wasn't for that absolute truth, Eritrea would never be an independent nation. Ethiopia and Ethiopians would never recognize and grant independence to Eritrea. Ethiopia fought to the end to keep Eritrea by force, but the Eritreans fought to death and secured what is theirs. At the same token, Somalia land was under the British colony, and it was granted her independence by UN, just like Libya, Somalia but after few days of independence, they opted to join the greater Somalia and the rest is history. So, the whole point is Eritrea never has been part of Ethiopia. for the life of me, why are we denying the truth?

[Zack]

What do you mean Eritrea was not part of Ethiopia if it wasnt part of Ethiopia why on earth was it fighting for independence from Ethiopia
That makes absolutely no sense.

Wrong Somaliland didnt join Greater Somalia, Somaliland and Somalia jointly established the Somali republic and their objectives was to bring the Ogaden and NFD and Djibouti also under this and that would result to Greater Somalia. Somalia and Somaliland alone are not Greate Somalia.

Dr Zackovich

[ZEMEN]

What do you mean Eritrea was not part of Ethiopia if it wasnt part of Ethiopia why on earth was it fighting for independence from Ethiopia
That makes absolutely no sense.

Wrong Somaliland didnt join Greater Somalia, Somaliland and Somalia jointly established the Somali republic and their objectives was to bring the Ogaden and NFD and Djibouti also under this and that would result to Greater Somalia. Somalia and Somaliland alone are not Greate Somalia.

Dr Zackovich

Dr, Zack, I am sure you are aware of the existence and shaping of Africa. Africa was created and the borders stood by the Eruopean colony. And the UN and EU accepted that the colony boundary to stand. If Eritrea was part of Ethiopia, then, Ethiopia was also under the Italian colony. Like I share with you, I defend the truth, and this stand gets me in many disagreements with my family and friends, however, the truth must be told. Case in point, We Ethiopians barge that we never been colonized at the same time, we say Eritrea is part of Ethiopia. the truth is Eritrea was colonized 60 years by the Italians and 10 years by the British while Ethiopia is not. Now, which one are you taking, Eritrea was part of Ethiopia or Ethiopia never been colonized? you can't have it both ways.

[Zack]

What do you mean Eritrea was not part of Ethiopia if it wasnt part of Ethiopia why on earth was it fighting for independence from Ethiopia
That makes absolutely no sense.

Wrong Somaliland didnt join Greater Somalia, Somaliland and Somalia jointly established the Somali republic and their objectives was to bring the Ogaden and NFD and Djibouti also under this and that would result to Greater Somalia. Somalia and Somaliland alone are not Greate Somalia.

Dr Zackovich

Dr, Zack, I am sure you are aware of the existence and shaping of Africa. Africa was created and the borders stood by the Eruopean colony. And the UN and EU accepted that the colony boundary to stand. If Eritrea was part of Ethiopia, then, Ethiopia was also under the Italian colony. Like I share with you, I defend the truth, and this stand gets me in many disagreements with my family and friends, however, the truth must be told. Case in point, We Ethiopians barge that we never been colonized at the same time, we say Eritrea is part of Ethiopia. the truth is Eritrea was colonized 60 years by the Italians and 10 years by the British while Ethiopia is not. Now, which one are you taking, Eritrea was part of Ethiopia or Ethiopia never been colonized? you can't have it both ways.

its very simple Parts of Ethiopia was colonised italy the Ethiopians always considered Eritrea part of Ethiopia, if ask them are eritreans and ethiopians the same poeple almost all the ethiopian people will say yes almost all eritrean people would say no except the agazi movemement
supporters. Eritrea was part of Ethiopia , it was province or a territory that was federated with Ethiopia that was denied independence on its own.

its people fought for its independence and put it in the map. but if u say eritrea was never part of ethiopia. if eritrea was never part of ethiopia then from a realistic point of view eritrea would have never needed to fight for Independence since its not part of Ethiopia, u get my drift. These illogical arguments make no sense at all. Its like belgium saying We were never part of the Netherlands which is a fact it was. Countries break up but at some point they were one . Do u understand what i am saying that Eritrea had a distinct colonial history from Ethiopia, still doesnt take away that Eritrea was part of Ethiopia from 1950 untill 1993. Ten years it was willingly part of Ethiopia and the other 30 years it was not willing to be part of Ethiopia hence their war for independence. If they weren't part of Ethiopia then there wouldnt be a war for independence, would it.

Dr Zackovich

[Dark Energy]

Zack,

You are right for the most part. Eritrea was supposed to be independent right after the end of the supposedly trusteeship status., namely the British serving as the trustee. But, the Brits treated Eritrea as a defeated State , as it had been the Italian colony. Eritrea was betrayed by its own citizens as well, namely the Christian highlanders in the parliament. The only countries that Supported Eritrean stateship were Guatemala, Pakistan and Israel. Israel was in it solely for its own interest. Hence became a member of federation. Haile Sellasie, single-handedly, couldn’t stand that status, hence violated the treaty and rendered Eritrea as a province of Ethiopia. Hence, Eritrea was no different from Somali Land. But, the World chose to look away when Haile Sellasie who happened to be a king did violate the terms of the confederation on his own.

[Zack]

Eritrea was just unlucky that its population were pretty much divided hence why the brits suggested to divid the land part of it join sudan the rest to join Ethiopia how ever the sensible eritrean politicians at that time stopped that which was good. The Brits cant be trusted really. Eritrea was just so unlucky that it was dealing with haile sellasie who had big ambitions its politicians and people were not on the same bandwagon and their former colony was part of the axis. all these three combined. Eritrea should have never been federated with Ethiopia. it should have pursued an independence from The British after the italians were defeated. Though u were right the Christian highland of Eritrea were pretty much oke with a federated eritrea as long as they had their little parliament and flag. These were mere symbols really. The problem is u should never trust the United nations or the white man to do something right for u he only cares when there is something to gain. For example Somaliland held 7 democratic elections one man one vote about 4 parliament elections it had 5 different presidents since 1991. The world refuse to recognise it why because there is nothing to gain the white man thinks just different kind n iggers with different kind of problems.

Dr Zackovich

[Wordpad]

It was just a prank. Abiy moved on to something new

[Zack]

To what did he move back claiming assap i think that was always his initial plan he just needs time to get an idea how to defeat the patriotic dictator of asmara

dr zackovich

[Wordpad]

What happened to the MOU?

[Dark Energy]

Zemen,

Be grateful to the Agames. Haile Sellasie, being as the supreme king as he was, he did not respect the federation arrangement. Otherwise, Eritrea was integral part of the Ethiopian empire. Revisionist history can compromise our independence. Agame is just being used to prolong the dictatorship in Eritrea.