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ኦሮም ኡማ የፈጠሩት ሱማሌዎች ናቸው (የዴፊኒሽን ጦርነት!!)

Post by Horus » 12 May 2023, 14:51

IDENTITY DEFINITION/FORMATION WORK IN PROGRESS ?????????????????? ከ1974 በፊት ኦሮሚያ የሚባል ቃል በኢትዮጵያ አልነበረም!Umma (also ummah) is that Arabic term for "nation".
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Post by Horus » 12 May 2023, 15:04

Here it is. ሳይድ ባሬ ፈጠረ የተባለ ኡማ የአረብኛው ኔሽን (ብሄር) ማለት ነው !! "Umma (also ummah) is that Arabic term for "nation". In reference to Islam, ummah refers to the whole Muslim world, or the community of believers. As a theological concept, the ummah is meant to transcend national, racial, and class divisions to unite all Muslims."

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Post by DefendTheTruth » 12 May 2023, 15:49

Ermias,
come on and let us be honest and move on. You used the term to mean it is a goal (an ideology) to use to suppress (exclude) others. The whole of your last few years narration rotated around the exclusivity idea of what you dubbed "Oromuma", which is coincidentally or otherwise also overlapped with the identity of the Oromo people. Unless Amharanet, Tigraway (?), Guraghe-ness, etc. could be wrong, for what ever reason, Oromuma can't be blamed for anything that went wrong, perceived or real.

Dr. (Prof.?) Assefa Jalata or anybody else who used the term inorder to try to reach to the wider public and win them on the side of their respective "causes" (covering the whole spectrum, to say so), may try but to think that is also authoritative is basically wrong and there is no way that you can justify that now.
አንዱ ስለተበላሻ ሌላዉም መበላሸት ይችላል ማለት ትክክል አይሆንም!

You have the right to rebuff what an individual or collections like political organisations are saying or doing but not the right to blame the identity of the mass for what you think is wrong. I don't think you will come forward and claim not to ever blamed "Oromuma" for what ever seemed wrong to you.

Assefa Jalata or somebody else didn't have a mandate from me and millions others to shop for us a political ideology!

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Post by Horus » 12 May 2023, 16:09

DDT,
ለምን ኦሮ ኡማ ብሎ እስላሚክ ኦሮሙማ ስለ ቆረቆረው የኢትዮጵያ ጠላት ሳይድ ባሬና ስለፈጠረው ኦሮሙማ ማንነት ሃስብ አትሰጥም! ከዚያ ለመሸሽ ስለወደቀው አቢይ የካድሬ ግዳፍ ከመቀባጠር !!

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Post by Abere » 12 May 2023, 16:20

Now, as I can understand what it means, it is a hybrid of two different species of words: A German world "Oroma" and an Arabic /Islamic word "Umma" resulting in Orommuma. Thus, Orommuma is a barren or infertile rhetoric with an analogy of a "Mule". It is pack animal serving foreign interests, with no indigenous basis

1) Islamic Oromo, which is Jawar Abamencha's ideal so-called Oromia
2) German fabricated word "Oroma" - which is fascistic in intent to over run and subjugate other tribes in HOA

Wow, Islamic/ Fascistic Orommuma with barren ideology. Remembering the Wollega Orommuma Bekele Geriba statement of banning marriages between Oromo and other ethnic groups very well tells its fascistic philosophy and Jawar's Mencha of attacking Christians also the Jihadi aspect of radical. This blend of Fascism with Jihadi is very very monesterous that should be removed from Ethiopia.

Horus wrote:
12 May 2023, 15:04
Here it is. ሳይድ ባሬ ፈጠረ የተባለ ኡማ የአረብኛው ኔሽን (ብሄር) ማለት ነው !! "Umma (also ummah) is that Arabic term for "nation". In reference to Islam, ummah refers to the whole Muslim world, or the community of believers. As a theological concept, the ummah is meant to transcend national, racial, and class divisions to unite all Muslims."

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Post by DefendTheTruth » 12 May 2023, 16:31

Abere wrote:
12 May 2023, 16:20
Remembering the Wollega Orommuma Bekele Geriba statement of banning marriages between Oromo and other ethnic groups very well tells its fascistic philosophy and Jawar's Mencha of attacking Christians also the Jihadi aspect of radical.
አግብታቺዉ ሃልፍ-ካስት ብላቺዉ ለማረድ ከምታጩት ማግባቱን ራሱን መከልከሉ አይሻልም ግን?

As far as I remember Bekele Gerba didn't call openly for candidating a member of a community as a legitimate target of a canibalism based on his ethnic heritage, did he?

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Post by Abere » 12 May 2023, 16:52

ኦሮሙማዎች እራሳችሁ ወዳችሁ እና ፈቅዳችሁ ያመጣችሁት ጉዳይ ነው። እናንተ ያላችሁትን ሌሎች ይሉታል ማለት ነው። ጽንስ እየቀደዳችሁ ባል እና ሚስት እያፋታችሁ ስታባርሩ እና ስትገድሉ ሽቶ እንድያርከፈከፉላችሁ ትፈልጋለችሁ? ነገረ-ኦሮሙማ ይባላል ይህ።
DefendTheTruth wrote:
12 May 2023, 16:31
Abere wrote:
12 May 2023, 16:20
Remembering the Wollega Orommuma Bekele Geriba statement of banning marriages between Oromo and other ethnic groups very well tells its fascistic philosophy and Jawar's Mencha of attacking Christians also the Jihadi aspect of radical.
አግብታቺዉ ሃልፍ-ካስት ብላቺዉ ለማረድ ከምታጩት ማግባቱን ራሱን መከልከሉ አይሻልም ግን?

As far as I remember Bekele Gerba didn't call openly for candidating a member of a community as a legitimate target of a canibalism based on his ethnic heritage, did he?

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Post by Sadacha Macca » 12 May 2023, 17:01

Orma is an Oromo word, not a german word. ilma orma (ILMA=Son of, orma=man in afaan oromo) as a term has been used before we oromo even knew the white man existed.
ummata is a word we borrowed from arabic, the afar use the word as well, ''qafar ummata,'' it's almost as if languages borrow words from others, and are influenced by other cultures-wow you guys discovered something amazing! Wow! Languages and cultures of humans exchange with others! Wow what a ground breaking discovery guys-your hatred, envy and hate of us Oromo's led you to making these ground breaking discoveries that will IMMEDIATELY change the lives of whatever nation you CLAIM to love and represent (whether it be amara, gurage, tigrayan).
I'm sure it'll change their lives for the better guys, Keep it up.



J Krapf, a german missionary only suggested that a country based on the lands oromos occupied/live in, called ''ormania'' would be the germany of Africa. simple.

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Post by Yimer » 12 May 2023, 17:22

Horus wrote:
12 May 2023, 14:51
IDENTITY DEFINITION/FORMATION WORK IN PROGRESS ?????????????????? ከ1974 በፊት ኦሮሚያ የሚባል ቃል በኢትዮጵያ አልነበረም!Umma (also ummah) is that Arabic term for "nation".
Horus,

Don’t you have another topic to discuss about? Why are you so obsessed with Oromos ? Take it easy, man.

I am so embarrassed to even to reply to your garbage. I am done with this forum.

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Post by Selam/ » 12 May 2023, 18:01

That doesn’t sound right because I remember reading a book written somewhere around the time of King Yohannes’s in which the author describes how other people call them “galla” while they call themselves Oromo. I don't recall the exact spelling that the author used in the book for either labeling.
Horus wrote:
12 May 2023, 14:51
IDENTITY DEFINITION/FORMATION WORK IN PROGRESS ?????????????????? ከ1974 በፊት ኦሮሚያ የሚባል ቃል በኢትዮጵያ አልነበረም!Umma (also ummah) is that Arabic term for "nation".

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Post by Horus » 12 May 2023, 18:20

ሰላም፣
ኦሮሚያ የሚለው ቃል ነው ከ1974 በፊት ያልነበረው ። ኦሮሞ የሚለው ቃል መች ጥቅም ላይ እንደ ተጀመረ አላቅም ። እኔ እራሱ የጀርመኑ ቄስ ስያሜ ኦርማ (ማን፣ ተባት) የሚለው እንዴት የአንድ ሕዝም ስም እንደ ሚሆን አይገባኝም ። በአንሮፖሎጂ ወዘተ ሕዝብ (ጎሳ) እራሱን የሚሰይመው በሚኖርበት ቦታ፣ ወንዝ፣ ተራራ፣ (የዚህ ቦታ አገር ሰው) በማለት ፣ ወይም በሚያምንበት ፈጣሪ የዚህ አማልክ ወልድ፣ ተወልጃ፣ ወይም ባባቱና አያቱ ስም የሳይድ ባሬ ዘር እያለ ወይም በስራው በሙያው እንደ ይሁዲዎች ያንጥረኛ ፣ ያናጢ የገበሬ ዘር በማለት እንጂ ዝም ብሎ እራሱን ከእንሰሳ ለመለየት ጎሳውን ሰው ብሎ ወይም ከሴቶች ለመለየት ማን ተባት ብሎ ሲሰይም አይቼም ሰምቼም አላቅም። ልሳሳት እችላለሁ

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Post by Selam/ » 12 May 2023, 22:30

I don’t know about that. Ludwig Krapf’s dictionary itself is titled “The vocabulary of the galla language”, not Oromo or Oromiya language.
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ሰላም፣
ኦሮሚያ የሚለው ቃል ነው ከ1974 በፊት ያልነበረው ። ኦሮሞ የሚለው ቃል መች ጥቅም ላይ እንደ ተጀመረ አላቅም ። እኔ እራሱ የጀርመኑ ቄስ ስያሜ ኦርማ (ማን፣ ተባት) የሚለው እንዴት የአንድ ሕዝም ስም እንደ ሚሆን አይገባኝም ። በአንሮፖሎጂ ወዘተ ሕዝብ (ጎሳ) እራሱን የሚሰይመው በሚኖርበት ቦታ፣ ወንዝ፣ ተራራ፣ (የዚህ ቦታ አገር ሰው) በማለት ፣ ወይም በሚያምንበት ፈጣሪ የዚህ አማልክ ወልድ፣ ተወልጃ፣ ወይም ባባቱና አያቱ ስም የሳይድ ባሬ ዘር እያለ ወይም በስራው በሙያው እንደ ይሁዲዎች ያንጥረኛ ፣ ያናጢ የገበሬ ዘር በማለት እንጂ ዝም ብሎ እራሱን ከእንሰሳ ለመለየት ጎሳውን ሰው ብሎ ወይም ከሴቶች ለመለየት ማን ተባት ብሎ ሲሰይም አይቼም ሰምቼም አላቅም። ልሳሳት እችላለሁ

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Post by Horus » 13 May 2023, 00:01

Selam/ wrote:
12 May 2023, 22:30
I don’t know about that. Ludwig Krapf’s dictionary itself is titled “The vocabulary of the galla language”, not Oromo or Oromiya language.
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12 May 2023, 18:20
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ኦሮሚያ የሚለው ቃል ነው ከ1974 በፊት ያልነበረው ። ኦሮሞ የሚለው ቃል መች ጥቅም ላይ እንደ ተጀመረ አላቅም ። እኔ እራሱ የጀርመኑ ቄስ ስያሜ ኦርማ (ማን፣ ተባት) የሚለው እንዴት የአንድ ሕዝም ስም እንደ ሚሆን አይገባኝም ። በአንሮፖሎጂ ወዘተ ሕዝብ (ጎሳ) እራሱን የሚሰይመው በሚኖርበት ቦታ፣ ወንዝ፣ ተራራ፣ (የዚህ ቦታ አገር ሰው) በማለት ፣ ወይም በሚያምንበት ፈጣሪ የዚህ አማልክ ወልድ፣ ተወልጃ፣ ወይም ባባቱና አያቱ ስም የሳይድ ባሬ ዘር እያለ ወይም በስራው በሙያው እንደ ይሁዲዎች ያንጥረኛ ፣ ያናጢ የገበሬ ዘር በማለት እንጂ ዝም ብሎ እራሱን ከእንሰሳ ለመለየት ጎሳውን ሰው ብሎ ወይም ከሴቶች ለመለየት ማን ተባት ብሎ ሲሰይም አይቼም ሰምቼም አላቅም። ልሳሳት እችላለሁ
እኔ የክራፍት መዝገበ ቃላትን አካውቀውም ። ግን የጋላ ቋንቋ ቮካቡለሪ ማለት እና የጋላ ቋንቋ ዲክሽነሪ የተለያዩ ናቸው ፣ አንዱ ዝም ብሎ የቃላት ሊስት ነው ሌላው የቃላት ዴፊኒሽን ነው ። ለማንኛው ኦርማ እንደ አንድ ሎጎ ወይ ምልክት ምንም ተዛማጅ ትግሩምና ካልቸራል ታሪክ የሌለው ነጠላ ቃል ሊሆን ይችላል ። እኔ አሁን ታቱማ የሚል ቃል ፈጥሬ የአገር ስም ባደርገው የስም ምልክት ከመሆን ሌላ ምንም ታሪክና ትርጉም አይኖረውም ። ኦርማ ያን አይነት ቃል ይመስለኛል ። ለዚህም ነው ማንም ምን ማለት እንደ ሆነ መግለጽ ያቃተው ። ያም በመሆኑ ጋላ ከሚለው ቃል በምን እንደ ሚሻል ማንም መግለጽ አይችልም ። እንድ ሰው አይፈርድም፣ አንድ እንጨት አይነድም ፣ አንድ ቃል ብቻውን ትርጉም የለውም!!!1 የአንድ ቃል ትርጉም ራሱ ሳይሆን ሌላ ቃል ነው !!!! ይህ ነው እንቆቅልሹ!

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Post by Bashu » 13 May 2023, 00:13

The term galla was coined by Somalis, they were close neighbors to oromos and refer to them as "Gal".(Non believer/non muslim).because Oromos were adherent to waqafeta in those days.The word galla for the first time was documented in the 14th century by a Portuguese explorer, five centuries long before King Menelik incorporated Oromos into the Ethiopian empire.

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Post by Horus » 13 May 2023, 03:12

Bashu wrote:
13 May 2023, 00:13
The term galla was coined by Somalis, they were close neighbors to oromos and refer to them as "Gal".(Non believer/non muslim).because Oromos were adherent to waqafeta in those days.The word galla for the first time was documented in the 14th century by a Portuguese explorer, five centuries long before King Menelik incorporated Oromos into the Ethiopian empire.
Yes !
https://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=320632

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Post by DefendTheTruth » 13 May 2023, 07:11

Uma (Uumaa) or nama (namaa) must have been drived from the english term "human" or vice versa.

Uma = creature, original, the creation of the Creator,

Nama = human,

Uumama namaa = the way human was created, its pecularity.

Orma = general term (unspecific) for the human creatures, people. Ormi maal odeessa = what is people talking about.

በዚህ ወጥቶ በዚህ ገብቶ፣ እገለ እንደዚህ ብሎ እገሌ እንደዛ ብሎ፣ ከአቅም በላይ መቀባጠር!

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Post by Selam/ » 13 May 2023, 09:52

እኔ ቃሉ ከዚህ መጣ ከዚያ መጣ የሚለው አተካራ ውስጥ አልገባም። ምክንያቱም ሙያዬም አይደለም፣ ለወቅቱ ችግርም አስፈላጊ ነው ብዬ ስለማላምን።

እኔ የማውቀው አማራ፣ ኦሮሞ፣ ትግሬ ፣ ጉራጌ ወዘተ የሚባሉ ህዝቦች መኖራቸውን፣ በታሪክ ሂደት በገዢዎቻቸው ምክንያት መናቆራቸውን በህዝብ ደረጃ ግን መዋደዳቸውን እንዲሁም መዋለዳቸውን ነው። በቅርቡ ደግሞ ትህነግ በሚባሉ እስስቶችና፣ ኦነግ-ሸኔ በተባሉ ምስቅልቅል አረመኔዎች፣ እንዲሁም ክርር ባሉ የአማራ የሩቅ ጯኺዎች ሀገሪቱ እየተመሰቃቀለች መሆኗን ነው የማውቀው።

ኦሮሞም በለው ኦሮሙማም በላቸው፣ በ16ኛው ክ/ዘመን የመስፋፋት ቅዠት ሀገሪቱን በጥላቻ እየበታተኗት ያሉት በልበ-ድንድኑ ወይንም በአይምሮ ችግር በተረበሸው አብይና እንሰሳ ካድሬዎቹ የሚመሩት ጎጠኞች እንጂ ተራው ህዝብማ በሶና ውሃ ተሸካሚ ከነበሩት ከነሰባጋዲስ፣ ከነራስ ወልደስላሴ፣ ከነራስ ዓሊ ጀሌዎችና ሎሌዎች ምንም አይለይም። ለስልጣንና ግዛታቸው መፅናት ሲሉ የጨው፣ የእህልና የከብት ግብር ሳያንስ፣ እነሱ ፈረስ ላይ ተጭነው በጋራና በሸንተረሩ ቀለብ ሲያስጎትቱት ከኖሩት አጋስሶች የአሁኑ የሚለየው አይን ያወጣና እንደጥርስ ያገጠጠ የጠነባ ጎጠኝነትና ጥላቻ ውስጥ መዘፈቁ ነው። እንዴት አንድ ጤነኛ የሆነ የሀገር መሪ “አዲስ አበቦች ኦሮሞን ትጠላላችሁ“ የሚል ህዝብ የሚያፋጅ አስተያየት ይሰጣል፣ እንዴት ተብሎ ነው የተወሰነ ህዝብ ተለይቶ ሲፈናቀልና በሜንጫ ሲታረድ እሱ እንዳልሰማ አጎንብሶ ችግኝ የሚተክለው ፣ እንዴት ነው እዚህ የተሰገሰጋችሁ የኦነግ-ሸኔ ካድሬዎች የእሱ ፅንፈኛ አገላለፅ ሳያሳስባችሁ ሌላውን ሰው አመራሩን ብቻ ተቹ ህዝቡን ግን አትንኩ ለማለት ያስቻላችሁ?

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Post by Horus » 13 May 2023, 10:47

DefendTheTrurh,
I do not make up things. Here is the research. In the following posts, I will show you how umma and human are unrelated. I will show you the entire history of the Islamic notion of Umma. Follow the truth, not your desires. Orma is not Oromo word, it is Swahili. Umma is a Semitic word and in fact it is the root of the Latin word for mother.

ብዙ ዝብዝብ አላበዛም! ክራፍት ስለ ኦርማ የቀባጠረው ዉሸት ነው ። ኦሮሙማ (ኦርማ ኡማ) በኦሮሞ ቋንቋ ውስጥ የሌለ ቃል ነው ። ቃሉ የተቀመረው ከአንድ የሴም እና ከአንድ የእስዋሂሊ ቃላት ነው ።

ኦርማ የሚባለው ቃል እስዋሂሊ ሲሆን እሱም በኬንያና ኢትዮጵያ ለሚኖሩ የቦረና ሕዝቦች የተሰጠ ስም ሲሆን ትርጉሙም ጌጣጌጥ ማለት ነው ። ጌጣጌጥ የሚለብሱ ቦረናዎች ማለት ነው ። "In Italian, Orma means “footprint,” while in Finnish, it is a form of the name Orvokki, which means “pansy.” In Swahili, Orma is a name given to the Borana people of Kenya and Ethiopia, and it means “ornament” or “adornment.”

ኡማ የሚለው እጅግ ጥንታዊ የሴም ቃል እናት ማለት ነው ። ሲጀመር ማ፣ እማ በሚለው የህጻን ቃል ተጀምሮ በAramaic - Immah, Hebrew - Emm, Gurage - Immat, Immit, Amharic - Innat, Arabic - Umm ... ይባላል ። ከዚያም እናት የሚለው ኮሚኒቲ፣ ብሄር ወደሚል አሳደጉት አረቦችና የኢስላም ሃይማኖት ።

"Umma: (Ancient Arabic lumiya, “confederacy of related ethnic groups; or Arabic umm, “mother,” borrowed from Hebrew or Aramaic) The term “umma” (sometimes spelled “ummah”), meaning nation or community." እንደ ቁርዐን ሕግ አንድ ሕዝብ ወይም ሰው በኢስላም ካላመነ የኡማ፣ የኢስላሚክ ኔሽን አባል ሊሆን አይችልም ! ስለዚህ ሙስሊም ያልሆኑ ኦርማዎች ኡማ የሚለውን የሙስሊም አማኝ ቃል መጠቀም አይችሉም ። እናት በሚለው ትርጉሙ ቃሉን ሊዋሱ ይችላሉ ። ያም ማለት ጌጥ የሚለብሱት የቦረና እናት ማለት ነው! ።

በአንድ ቃል ኦሮሙማ = እስዋሂሊ + ሴሚቲክ ፡ ጌጣጌጥ የሚለብሱ ቦረናዎች + የሙስሊም ብሄርነት !! እውቀት ብርሃን ነው ! ኢትዮጵያ ለዘላለም ትኑር !!!

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Post by Horus » 13 May 2023, 10:56

The origin and history of the Islamic idea of Umma. Must read!
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"Umma: (Ancient Arabic lumiya, “confederacy of related ethnic groups; or
Arabic umm, “mother,” borrowed from Hebrew or Aramaic) The term
“umma” (sometimes spelled “ummah”), meaning nation or community, oc-
curs sixty-four times in the Koran. Islamic authorities reject derivations sug-
gested from other languages, however, since they consider the beginning of
all the Arabic language to be revealed in the scripture of the Koran.
In the Koran, umma denotes a variety of meanings, for instance, an eth-
nic group (the Arabs, Franks or Slavs), a religious group (the Muslims, Chris-
tians or Zoroastrians), a moral community (good or bad people as a group),
the followers of a prophet (Abraham or Muhammad), a subgroup of believers
or followers, a group related to Muhammad by lineage rather than by religion,
and even a period of time. However, in the hadith literature (reports on the
Prophet’s words and deeds compiled during the ninth, tenth, and eleventh
century), umma is given its usual meaning of the single universal Islamic
community embracing all the lands in which Muslim rule is established and
the Islamic law prevails.
The early Islamic legal tradition gave rise to the principle of the unity of
the umma and saw it as the ultimate source of political authority. As such this
concept legitimized the institution of the caliphate. The caliph (khalifa) mean-
ing the “viceregent, the deputy or successor [to the Muhammad],” was thus
the sole religious and political leader of all the Muslims and their lands. In
Islamic political thought the inhabited world is divided between the “land of
Islam” (dar al-Islam) and “the land of war” (dar al-harb) dominated by unbe-
lievers; the umma ideally coincided with the geographically defined meaning
of the former term. But with the geographical extension and political frag-
mentation of the land of Islam, the insistence on the unity of the umma and
the corresponding unity of the caliphate became largely symbolic. Also non-
Muslims were tolerated in dar al-Islam if they were “people of the book” (ahl
al-kitab). The dhimmi (in sharia ‘those who are in the covenant of protection
extended by the umma”) include Jews, Christians and Sabaeans though the
category was often extended to cover Zoroastrians or even Hindus. The
Western colonial domination limited the extent of lands where Muslim rulers
reigned and brought many immigrant Muslim minorities to non-Islamic
states. Hence, the more geographically defined concept of dar al-Islam was
decisively divorced from the increasingly universalistic and non-spatially
determined concept of the umma.
This disconnection was sealed during the early 1920s, first, by the
breakup of the Ottoman Empire (which functioned as imperfect though never-
theless political embodiment of dar al-Islam), and secondly in 1924, by the
abolishment of the caliphate. A year later, what remained from the empire
had been overhauled into the ethnic Turkish nation-state. This radical depar-
ture from the Islamic legitimization of statehood in favor of the Western na-
tional one brought an unprecedented trauma to Muslim leaders and masses.
From the Islamic point of view, this was the lowest point in the entire history
of dar al-Islam.
Umma – Urbanization 471
The beginning of the twentieth century was characterized by an ideolog-
ical struggle over the “rightful” political ownership of the concept of umma.
The Ottoman sultan (literally “authority” or “government,” or in the Seljuk
and Ottoman usage “supreme political and military head of Islam” as opposed
to an increasingly religious caliph) Abdüllhamid II’s (reigned 1876–1909)
attempts at redeeming Islamic unity by reviving the idea of umma were ex-
tremely popular among Muslims from Morocco to India. Equally popular was
the call by Jamal al-Din al-Afghani (1839–1897, born in Persia domiciled
from London and Cairo to India) for Islamic solidarity for the reinvigoration
of the umma. Their thought constituted the foundation of Pan-Islamism. On
the other hand, the Syrian Ottoman thinker Abd al-Rahman al-Kawakibi
(1854–1902) revived the Koranic understanding of the umma as an ethnic
group. He employed the term watan (literally “homeland” or “place of birth”
coined at the end of the eighteenth century in emulation of the French
“patri”‘ or “fatherland”) when he spoke of what united Muslim with non-
Muslim Arabs. In 1907, the political Umma Party (Hizb al-Ummah) was es-
tablished in Egypt. In this instance the term umma meant the “Arabic-
speaking nation of Egyptians’ irrespective of their religion. These events be-
came the underpinning of Pan-Arabism (Arab nationalism) enshrined in the
adoption of umma to designate the Western term “nation” in the Arabic lan-
guage. (In Turkish and Persian “nation” is rendered millet and milli, respec-
tively. In the Koran millah meant “religion,” and in the Ottoman Empire the
inhabitants were divided into millets or religio-political communities).
Paradoxically, in the twentieth century, the concept of umma and its var-
iegated legal and intellectual connotations have legitimized both of the most
significant movements in the Islamic world: Pan-Arabism and Pan-Islamism.
Respectively, the Arab League (established in 1945) and the Organization of
the Islamic Conference (established in 1971) lead these movements. Many
conferences organized to discuss the political situation of the Muslim umma
after the abolition of the caliphate failed to achieve any significant results.
This led to the popularity of secular Arab nationalism during World War II.
Thereafter, in the wake of decolonization, Muslim eyes perceived dar al-
Islam as promising liberation from the unbelivers’ (kafir) oppression. Since
the 1960s, Arab nationalists have spoken in favor of complete separation of
religious and national identities. But this has not brought about the unification
of all the Arabs in a common ethnolinguistic nation-state; neither has it led to
progress and an equally shared prosperity. These failures of Pan-Arabism 9in
contrast with the achievements of the West have resulted in Pan-Islamists
gaining the upper hand especially after the foundation of the Islamic Republic
of Iran (1979).
The Indo-Pakistani Pan-Islamist Muhammad Iqbal (1877–1938) assert-
ed that the Islamic umma is the model for human unity, and that nationalism
can coexist with humanism as long as Muslims believe in tawhid (the unity of
God). Other Pan-Islamic authorities reject this view and assert that Islam and
nationalism are mutually incompatible. However, neither the Islamic Repub-
lic of Iran nor any other Islamic state, or any group of states has attempted to
unify the umma in a single polity. In practice this means that all the Islamic
states define themselves as nation-states regardless of the official rhetoric. "

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Re: ኦሮም ኡማ የፈጠሩት ሱማሌዎች ናቸው (የዴፊኒሽን ጦርነት!!)

Post by Horus » 13 May 2023, 11:08

DefendTheTruth wrote:
13 May 2023, 07:11
Uma (Uumaa) or nama (namaa) must have been drived from the english term "human" or vice versa.

Uma = creature, original, the creation of the Creator,

Nama = human,

Uumama namaa = the way human was created, its pecularity.

Orma = general term (unspecific) for the human creatures, people. Ormi maal odeessa = what is people talking about.

በዚህ ወጥቶ በዚህ ገብቶ፣ እገለ እንደዚህ ብሎ እገሌ እንደዛ ብሎ፣ ከአቅም በላይ መቀባጠር!
ከአቅምህ በላይ የምትቀባጥረው፣ የሌለህ ማንነት ለመፈብረክ ሰማይ የምትቧጥጥ አንተ ነህ ። the word 'orma' has no relation to the word 'human' or to the word 'umma, immat ኧሚት፣ እናት ... Here is the root of the term 'human'. It comes from 'earth', አዳም! ኦሪት ዘ ፍጥረት አንብብ!!!

"mid-15c., humain, humaigne, "human," from Old French humain, umain (adj.) "of or belonging to man" (12c.), from Latin humanus "of man, human," also "humane, philanthropic, kind, gentle, polite; learned, refined, civilized." This is in part from PIE *(dh)ghomon-, literally "earthling, earthly being," as opposed to the gods (from root *dhghem- "earth"), but there is no settled explanation of the sound changes involved. Compare Hebrew adam "man," from adamah "ground." Cognate with Old Lithuanian žmuo (accusative žmuni) "man, male person."

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