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Tigray gave 600,000 souls for her futile effort to come to power in 4killo - Obasangjo

Post by Misraq » 22 Nov 2022, 10:37

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This is the figure former president of Nigeria disclosed in one interview. He said TPLF started the war and as a result of it 600,000 tegarus died. He said the rest of ethiopians (afar and amhara region together with ENDF may have paid from 200k-400k in life). qoute and qoute

This is the result of 27 years of ignorance, bigotry, impaired view about themselves and others together with the sense of invincibility while harming others from Tegarus end. The funny thing is that they have yet to learn probably after another 600,000 tegarus goes to the death mill



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Re: Tigray gave 600,000 souls for her futile effort to come to power in 4killo - Obasangjo

Post by tarik » 22 Nov 2022, 10:58

Wait, i don't think that many amharas & afaris died. May be less than 100k both combined but not that many figures.
He said the rest of ethiopians (afar and amhara region together with ENDF may have paid from 200k-400k in life). qoute and qoute :roll:

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Re: Tigray gave 600,000 souls for her futile effort to come to power in 4killo - Obasangjo

Post by Misraq » 22 Nov 2022, 11:11

You are right brother Tarik. i said qoute and qoute to indicate that came out from him. Lets assume that is the case evenothout it is a far high number and say it is the price paid for dignity. Comparing the death toll to the ratio to population, it is a sever blow to Tigray.

Amhara can give million souls and can still move on unaffected. But the tegaru will definitely slide into a minority of minorities with this pace.

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Re: Tigray gave 600,000 souls for her futile effort to come to power in 4killo - Obasangjo

Post by Abere » 22 Nov 2022, 11:44

Validating and Interpreting Obasanjo's Tigray Death Statistics:

--- Based on TPLF's own report released during its 2nd invasion, Tigray lost 300,000 poor souls. However, the that report is 100% false, the intention of the TPLF's report was to counter anticipated accurate reporting of the Tigray's true death toll by experts. Thus, for fear being exposed and uproar, TPLF made a false cut off. Accurate statistical estimates right at the end of the 2nd TPLF's invasion of Amhara land put that Tigray, a region accounting 3.5% - 5% , the national population lost 900,000 armed Tigres. If TPLF did not engage children, women, aged, disabled population, the loss of 900,000 means a total wipe out of the military age population. Suppose them median age of Tigray is 18 years, the proportion of arm bearing or recruit able population for military service is very small.
The updated death toll for TPLF rag tags should be more than 900,000 after its 3rd invasion. The most plausible 1 million poor souls of illiterate Tigres is perished for nothing. That means it touched every one household in Tigray. Always, one has to be very cautious when figures are thrown out by politicians. Both TPLF and Obasanjo are using political figures. They both are simply giving some hint which we can use for better estimation and validation. As we have been sayin sometime ago, Tigray lost 900,000 souls and Obasanjo verified two-third(2/3) of that truth. But still he came short of telling the fact - he just wanted to build his resume of being a negotiator that he stopped a war that claimed about 1 million Tigre. There are enough rationale for the exponential death rate of Tigres, but the most significant ones: TPLF's 13th century human-wave tactics, TPLF use of children's, women, old, disabled, and TPLF military commanders themselves executing their own fleeing rag tag Tigres. This leaves the ratio of death to enemy side very high.

Regarding, Obasanjo's estimate of ENDF,Fano, ASF, Afar there is no statistics released form the Ethiopian government to help validate this. I would say again, this is a political figure with the intent to glorify Obasanjo's role other than that it is false. First, even Obasanjo gave a huge estimate interval. The minimum and maximum class size show how skewed or unreliable the estimate is. First, ENDF is a professional army, there is no statistical probability it will lose that much; second, Fano did not have that much army size it only started to pick up size after the 2nd invasion; and also Fano are known for being diligent at aim and sharp shooters'; and the same goes with the other categories of the allied forces. With a 99% level of confidence I would put the death toll from the ENDF/FANO/ASF and Afar under 50,000.

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Re: Tigray gave 600,000 souls for her futile effort to come to power in 4killo - Obasangjo

Post by Misraq » 22 Nov 2022, 13:00

I thought the Ethio-Eritrea war in 1998-2000 was brutal when 100k people died in just 2 years.

Before that, I thought the Derg vs EPLF+TPLF war that ranged for 30 years was brutal in which less than 10k people died in a year (multiply that by 30 and still may be less)

We now have the ember Tegadalay tenkebalays where any previous death tolls are child play where 600,000-900,000 tegarus were died just to protect the wealthy TPLF and their f!lthy rich children. This is epic.

Gregory Stanton...where are you?


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Post by Abere » 22 Nov 2022, 13:05

የትግራይ ህዝብ ወንድ ከሆነ እስኪ 900,000 ልጆቹን ያስበላውን ወያኔን ይጠይቅ?! :lol:

እዚሁ ገድሎ - ከዚሁ ኗሪ፥
እንደ ክርስቶስ እንደ ፈጣሪ።

ወያኔ 900, 000 ትግሬ ጨርሳ እዛው ትግራይ ውስጥ በድሎት ገና ከትግሬ ጋር ትኖራለች።

Misraq wrote:
22 Nov 2022, 13:00
I thought the Ethio-Eritrea war in 1998-2000 was brutal when 100k people died in just 2 years.

Before that, I thought the Derg vs EPLF+TPLF war that ranged for 30 years was brutal in which less than 10k people died in a year (multiply that by 30 and still may be less)

We now have the ember Tegadalay tenkebalays where any previous death tolls are child play where 600,000-900,000 tegarus were died just to protect the wealthy TPLF and their f!lthy rich children. This is epic.

Gregory Stanton...where are you?


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Re: Tigray gave 600,000 souls for her futile effort to come to power in 4killo - Obasangjo

Post by nizzy » 22 Nov 2022, 15:16

Misraq wrote:
22 Nov 2022, 13:00
I thought the Ethio-Eritrea war in 1998-2000 was brutal when 100k people died in just 2 years.

Before that, I thought the Derg vs EPLF+TPLF war that ranged for 30 years was brutal in which less than 10k people died in a year (multiply that by 30 and still may be less)

We now have the ember Tegadalay tenkebalays where any previous death tolls are child play where 600,000-900,000 tegarus were died just to protect the wealthy TPLF and their f!lthy rich children. This is epic.

Gregory Stanton...where are you?

High causality rates are usually due to commanders that just throw their soldiers in like human waves no strategy other than try go overwhelm by numbers. This is the only tactic the TPLF knows so that is why you see such high casualty figures in the Badme war and this latest war (where they have complete control) an even greater number of deaths. These disaproa and Tigrayan elites don't care about how many Tigrayans die as long as they get to stay out of jail and keep their money.

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Re: Tigray gave 600,000 souls for her futile effort to come to power in 4killo - Obasangjo

Post by DefendTheTruth » 22 Nov 2022, 16:07

nizzy wrote:
22 Nov 2022, 15:16

High causality rates are usually due to commanders that just throw their soldiers in like human waves no strategy other than try go overwhelm by numbers. This is the only tactic the TPLF knows so that is why you see such high casualty figures in the Badme war and this latest war (where they have complete control) an even greater number of deaths. These disaproa and Tigrayan elites don't care about how many Tigrayans die as long as they get to stay out of jail and keep their money.
Worse yet the likes of Halafi Mengedi of this forum have started a call for a renewed war against Amhara and Eritrea, in his/her dream with the cooperation of the federal government, which should be a reflection of the political game (gambling) on the ground. This is more than a sickness: spending human lives as if there is no tomorrow, if this is not a Sin, there is none, I am afraid. These people have no God in such cases.


I think the 600 K of lost lives is more accurate, because both the independent body of Mediators, represented by Olusegun Obsanjo, and the true sympathizers or sponsors, represented by Alex de Waal, all named the figure. The latter also said 10% of Tigray population was lost in the war and put the size of the population at 6 Million in his latest article "Facing famine, Tigray concedes to Ethiopian government, and Abiy"

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/ ... -and-abiy/

This is a tragedy

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Re: Tigray gave 600,000 souls for her futile effort to come to power in 4killo - Obasangjo

Post by TesfaNews » 22 Nov 2022, 16:36

DefendTheTruth wrote:
22 Nov 2022, 16:07
nizzy wrote:
22 Nov 2022, 15:16

High causality rates are usually due to commanders that just throw their soldiers in like human waves no strategy other than try go overwhelm by numbers. This is the only tactic the TPLF knows so that is why you see such high casualty figures in the Badme war and this latest war (where they have complete control) an even greater number of deaths. These disaproa and Tigrayan elites don't care about how many Tigrayans die as long as they get to stay out of jail and keep their money.
Worse yet the likes of Halafi Mengedi of this forum have started a call for a renewed war against Amhara and Eritrea, in his/her dream with the cooperation of the federal government, which should be a reflection of the political game (gambling) on the ground. This is more than a sickness: spending human lives as if there is no tomorrow, if this is not a Sin, there is none, I am afraid. These people have no God in such cases.


I think the 600 K of lost lives is more accurate, because both the independent body of Mediators, represented by Olusegun Obsanjo, and the true sympathizers or sponsors, represented by Alex de Waal, all named the figure. The latter also said 10% of Tigray population was lost in the war and put the size of the population at 6 Million in his latest article "Facing famine, Tigray concedes to Ethiopian government, and Abiy"

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/ ... -and-abiy/

This is a tragedy
Deqi-Arawit wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 15:42
The Village idiot Axumzena and the wishy washy [deleted] Eden should look the consequences of War. It is easier to be a cheerleader of a war when you or your close relatives are not on the line defending.
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Here is a poor man who sacrificed 3 of his sons....I wonder if the leeches are going to provide him social security for the services of his three children.

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Post by nizzy » 22 Nov 2022, 17:11

DefendTheTruth wrote:
22 Nov 2022, 16:07
nizzy wrote:
22 Nov 2022, 15:16

High causality rates are usually due to commanders that just throw their soldiers in like human waves no strategy other than try go overwhelm by numbers. This is the only tactic the TPLF knows so that is why you see such high casualty figures in the Badme war and this latest war (where they have complete control) an even greater number of deaths. These disaproa and Tigrayan elites don't care about how many Tigrayans die as long as they get to stay out of jail and keep their money.
Worse yet the likes of Halafi Mengedi of this forum have started a call for a renewed war against Amhara and Eritrea, in his/her dream with the cooperation of the federal government, which should be a reflection of the political game (gambling) on the ground. This is more than a sickness: spending human lives as if there is no tomorrow, if this is not a Sin, there is none, I am afraid. These people have no God in such cases.


I think the 600 K of lost lives is more accurate, because both the independent body of Mediators, represented by Olusegun Obsanjo, and the true sympathizers or sponsors, represented by Alex de Waal, all named the figure. The latter also said 10% of Tigray population was lost in the war and put the size of the population at 6 Million in his latest article "Facing famine, Tigray concedes to Ethiopian government, and Abiy"

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/ ... -and-abiy/

This is a tragedy
Indeed, Halafi is just a brainwashed woyane who doesn't want to admit all the things he heard about the TPLF were lies. He was told that Tegaru are special super human people that cannot be defeated. That they built Ethiopia from nothing, civilized Oromo and Amhara blah blah blah. He is full of pride and will sacrifice any amount of innocent Tigrayans so that Eritreans and especially Amhara don't laugh at his woyane's total defeat on the battle field.

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Post by Weyane.is.dead » 22 Nov 2022, 18:30

Low iq weyanes wasted 600k tigrayan youth just to save their old wrinkly a.zz. They need to be held accountable.

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Post by Digital Weyane » 22 Nov 2022, 18:47

የጦርነቱ አላማ አቢይ አህመድን ከሥልጣን አውርደን አራት ኪሎን ለሞቆጣጠር ቢሆንም፣ ትልቁና የሩቅ ግባችን ግን ዎደ ሥልጣን ከተመለስን በኋላ የኦሮሞና የአማራ ወጣቶችን ለጦርነት አሰልፈን ኤርትራን በመውረር የዓባይ ትግራይ ሪፐብሊክ ህልማችንን ለማሳካት ነበር። ለዚህም አላማ ከአንድ ሚልዮን በላይ የትግራይ ወጣቶችና ህፃናትን ህይወት ከፍለንበታል። የቆጡን እናውርድ ብለን የብብታችን ጣልን። ዋይ ዋይ ዋይ ዋይ ዋይ :cry: :cry: :cry:

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