What is your stand on this,kelte reika zkewn yelen,free people at home and respect others,culture and land are two different things,Tigray under two kings lived in peace for almost 30 years in the 1920.What about us of this age,correct the mistakes and go on,why hate others?eden wrote: ↑28 Jan 2020, 22:24Another Agazian proponent with too much hatred of Amara. You can’t be successful by spreading hate. Bringing the Tegarus together doesn’t require hating others. They read so many books yet all they bring is hate.
Look at the topic of this video: “why our Red Sea being sold to Amara?”
This is 2020, mind you
Re: The defect of Agazian movement is its hatred of Amara
Re: The defect of Agazian movement is its hatred of Amara
Are you not shockd of the pictures you are seeing here,entay aynet seb eyom ilki tehasbi?nai re'eski zkone kebri ayblkin deyo neziom ketemehri etetseri,kendey keleot jegano Eritrawian eko alewu,nezom resahat bayta ketekeleom aleka kedmi kulu.beaki ewn betaemi eye zhazen,you all are hooked.It is a dead politic.
Re: The defect of Agazian movement is its hatred of Amara
You making no sense. Their concern is not their individual identity but the identity of their people. Why are you requiring they move from their land as if relocation answers their identity question.
p.s. just because an idea may be perceived as offensive by some, doesn’t disprove its validity
Re: The defect of Agazian movement is its hatred of Amara
Tigraweiti Eden,
The Agazian bull_ crap idea has no basis in international law. The ugly Lizard who calls himself, Tesfatsion is only trying to swindle $$$ from your pockets. He is a pi_mp.
He is an ugly p_imp. What Tigrayans need to do is, make peace and negotiate with Amharas and live as good citizens of Ethiopia. You made your choice back in 1991. Live with it. Eritrea is independent country recognized by the UN, and it will stay that way for the forseeable centuries in the futue. .
The Agazian bull_ crap idea has no basis in international law. The ugly Lizard who calls himself, Tesfatsion is only trying to swindle $$$ from your pockets. He is a pi_mp.
He is an ugly p_imp. What Tigrayans need to do is, make peace and negotiate with Amharas and live as good citizens of Ethiopia. You made your choice back in 1991. Live with it. Eritrea is independent country recognized by the UN, and it will stay that way for the forseeable centuries in the futue. . Re: The defect of Agazian movement is its hatred of Amara
Dear Eden: Your claims are both unproven and offensive
I make no sense to you and you make no sense to me. What that tells me is that, I think, you and I are using the same terms of which we have differing meanings/concepts about. I've already said a few words about why your/Agaaziyans claims are offensive and are claims that still remain unproven. You (or others) were asked to prove the validity of your claims and answer related questions, but you didn't.
You could still answer them.
The questions are, in part:
1. (a)What does the term Tigrai ( or Tigray, or Tygree, or Tigraiy) mean to you?
(b) Is it a geographic region or an ethnic identity? How so?
(c) Could you please define it and support your assertions with evidence?
2. (a) What is the ethnicity of Tegaru, or Tigrayans, or the people of Tigraiy?
(b) Are Tegaru of one ethnic group, or of one cultural background?
(c) How are Tegaru (or the people of Tigraiy) one people, or are they many people-groups?
3. (a) Why do you believe your claim that both the "Eritrean Tigrinya and Tegaru are Agaaziyans" is valid?
(b) Who are, or claimed to be, or thought of as Agaaziyans?
(c) Could you please show your evidence, and prove that your claims are true.
4. Why do you believe your claim that "Eritrean Tigrinya are Tegaru" is valid? Could you prove it?
5. (a) If a people-group is of Agaaziyan identity, what type of identity are you talking about?
(b)And does that prove that they are Tegaru, and not Eritrean/Tigrinya, or the Tigrinya are Agaaziyan because you believe they are Tegaru?
(c) Could you prove that your conclusions are true, please?
I make no sense to you and you make no sense to me. What that tells me is that, I think, you and I are using the same terms of which we have differing meanings/concepts about. I've already said a few words about why your/Agaaziyans claims are offensive and are claims that still remain unproven. You (or others) were asked to prove the validity of your claims and answer related questions, but you didn't.
You could still answer them.
The questions are, in part:
1. (a)What does the term Tigrai ( or Tigray, or Tygree, or Tigraiy) mean to you?
(b) Is it a geographic region or an ethnic identity? How so?
(c) Could you please define it and support your assertions with evidence?
2. (a) What is the ethnicity of Tegaru, or Tigrayans, or the people of Tigraiy?
(b) Are Tegaru of one ethnic group, or of one cultural background?
(c) How are Tegaru (or the people of Tigraiy) one people, or are they many people-groups?
3. (a) Why do you believe your claim that both the "Eritrean Tigrinya and Tegaru are Agaaziyans" is valid?
(b) Who are, or claimed to be, or thought of as Agaaziyans?
(c) Could you please show your evidence, and prove that your claims are true.
4. Why do you believe your claim that "Eritrean Tigrinya are Tegaru" is valid? Could you prove it?
5. (a) If a people-group is of Agaaziyan identity, what type of identity are you talking about?
(b)And does that prove that they are Tegaru, and not Eritrean/Tigrinya, or the Tigrinya are Agaaziyan because you believe they are Tegaru?
(c) Could you prove that your conclusions are true, please?
eden wrote: ↑04 Feb 2020, 22:39You making no sense. Their concern is not their individual identity but the identity of their people. Why are you requiring they move from their land as if relocation answers their identity question.
p.s. just because an idea may be perceived as offensive by some, doesn’t disprove its validity
by YAY » 02 Feb 2020, 02:24
Dear Eden: The Agaaziyan movement is offensive because it is imposing an identification we don't recognize on us Eritreans
The Eritrean Tigrinya have a self-image of themselves that is both historical and contemporary. They are Eritreans instead of being Etiyopiyans. The Tigrinya are Kebessatans (traditionally Akkele Guzaiy, Hamasiem and Seraye) and not North Tegaru/Tigraiyans, they are known as Tigrinya and not Tegaru, or Tigrawot, or Tigrawian, or Tigreans. And the Agaaziyans are claiming that our self-image is not right (or is wrong) and categorizing us, without our consent or approval, as both Agaaziyans and Tegaru, without providing us credible evidence that proves our self-image is not valid/correct.
It does not matter who in particular (an Etiyopiyan or Eritrean, Tigrawi(t) or Tigrinya, individual or group) says it, those who insist that the Tigrinya are Tegaru are committing an offense on the Eritrean Tigrinya community. If these so-called Agaaziyans are of Eritrean origin, they can choose to be Tegaru, of their own conviction, or go to Tigraiy, if they want to, but their defining/identifying the Tigrinya as Tegaru, and our property or territory as Tigraiy's (while the Tigrinya keep telling them that we are not Tegaru, and our land is not Tigraiy's) is nothing else but a serious offense (personal and community honor and dignity as well as wrongly claiming our territory as Tigraiy's). Such a serious offense could readily incite a physical conflict very easily. Consider yourself warned beforehand, and please inform your types of people the same.
Re: The defect of Agazian movement is its hatred of Amara
You are being stubborn and needlessly complicate simple common sense thing. I see Tegaru same as I see Afar Oromo Somali etc etc the same.
Oromgna speaker is in Ethiopia, Kenya
Afargna speaker is in Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia
Somaligna speaker is in Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya
Tigrgna speaker is in Eritrea, Ethiopia
This is simple in my mind. Forget you and I using terms or concepts and I honestly ask you to spell out for me why the first three examples make sense to you but not the last one?
It's funny how you are turning a great discussion about peaceful and common sense suggestions to bring all people to prosper together into something senseless back and forth.
You really missed the big point which is activists or the elite should be inclusive, and no one prospers alone by dominating others. That's the big idea here.
Even keeping your laughable stand on this one issue of false dichotomy, you could have commented on the real topic of the dangers of the ideology of excluding or dominating other nations or religion followers.
Oromgna speaker is in Ethiopia, Kenya
Afargna speaker is in Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia
Somaligna speaker is in Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya
Tigrgna speaker is in Eritrea, Ethiopia
This is simple in my mind. Forget you and I using terms or concepts and I honestly ask you to spell out for me why the first three examples make sense to you but not the last one?
It's funny how you are turning a great discussion about peaceful and common sense suggestions to bring all people to prosper together into something senseless back and forth.
You really missed the big point which is activists or the elite should be inclusive, and no one prospers alone by dominating others. That's the big idea here.
Even keeping your laughable stand on this one issue of false dichotomy, you could have commented on the real topic of the dangers of the ideology of excluding or dominating other nations or religion followers.