- 1. የመከላከያ ሚኒስቴር
2. የሃገር ውስጥ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር
3. የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር
4. የፕላንና ልማት ሚኒስቴር
5. የገንዘብ ሚኒስቴር
6. የፍትህ ሚኒስቴር
7. የግብርና ሚኒስቴር
8. የኢንዱስትሪና ኢንተርፕራይዝ ሚኒስቴር
9. የማዕድን ሚኒስቴር
10. የዉሃ፣ አካባቢና ኤነርጂ ሚኒስቴር
11. የመስኖና ቆላማ አካባቢ ልማት ሚኒስቴር
12. የከተማ፣ ገጠርና ልማት ኮንስትራክሽን ሚኒስቴር
13. የሳይንስ፣ ቴክኖሎጂና ኢኖቬሽን ሚኒስቴር
14. የትምሀርት ሚኒስቴር
15. የጤና ሚኒስቴር
16. የንግድና ቀጠናዊ ትስስር ሚኒስቴር
17. የገቢዎችና ጉምሩክ ሚኒስቴር
18. የትራንስፖርትና ሎጅስቲክስ ሚኒስቴር
19. የቱሪዝም ስነጥበብና ባህል ሚኒስቴር
20. የሰራተኛ፣ ስራ ፈጠራና ክህሎት ልማት ሚኒስቴር
21. የስርዓተ ጾታና ማህበራዊ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር[/b]
ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
በእኔ ግምት አቢይ ከብርሃኑ ማክሲመም ጥቅም ማግኘት የሚችለው የውጭ ጉዳይ ወይም የኢኮኖሚ ስራ ቢሰጠው ነው። ኢኮኖሚ የብርሃኑ ፕሮፌሽናል ክህሎቱ ነው። የውጭ ጉዳይ ደሞ ብርሃኑ ካለው ረጅም የውጭ ልምድ፣ ምሁራዊ መስፈርት፣ ቋንቋ አንጻር ትልቅ ክብደትና መታወቅ ጋርና አሁን ምዕራቦች ከያዙት አቋም ጋርና እንዲሁ ብርሃኑ ኤርትራ ጋር የነበረውን ግንኙነት ሲታከልበት በዛሬይቱ ኢትዮጵያ ከብርሃኑ የተሻለ የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስትር ያለ አይመስለኝም (3)። ብርሃኑ በመላ ምዕራብ የሚታወቅ ብራንድ ኔም ነው። ስለዚህ እኔ አቢይ ብሆን ብርሃኑን የውጭ ጉዳይ አድርጌ መዕራብን አስደምማለሁ ። ሌሎች 2 ሚኒስቴሮች ኢንዱስትሪና ኢንተርፕራይዝ (8) ወይም የሰራተኛ፣ ስራ ፈጠራና ክህሎት (14) ናቸው ። ብርሃኑ የኢኮኖሚ ፍትህ ላይ ስለሆነ ጥልቅ እምነቱ ሚኒስትሪ ኦፍ ሌበር አንደ ማለት ነው! ይህ ነው የእኔ ግምት !!
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
What about, “ Suqi be Derete” minister ?
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
You want Berhane to be a foreign minister so he can represent Ethiopia globally and in particular get a chance to meet Eritrean officials as often as he could. Though it is a prerogative of Abiy to put anyone he wants, Horus' wish and intention is that Berhanu (who doesn't respect Eritrean sovereignty) would be a good candidate to work towards reunifiction - a dream that would never be realised.
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
You have made the point Horus. His weakness maybe (as a result of his advanced education or intellectual thinking) he may lack courage to take risk. If he adds courage to his baggage full of foreign experience, in addition to his deep knowledge about the tricks and crimes of internal and external enemies, he could be a good asset as a foreign minister. Despite with some of his missteps and bad words that became controversial, I think he could still be in a better position to mobilise the diaspora for building Ethiopia. I would see him fit well as a foreign minister rather than a Economy minister even if the latter is his core subject.
By the way, the way the 21 ministries are categorized is the best I ever seen so far. They are very well classed based on affinity and core values each can bring. Excellent and brilliant job Abiy Ahmed or whoever who came up with this.
By the way, the way the 21 ministries are categorized is the best I ever seen so far. They are very well classed based on affinity and core values each can bring. Excellent and brilliant job Abiy Ahmed or whoever who came up with this.
Horus wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 00:55በእኔ ግምት አቢይ ከብርሃኑ ማክሲመም ጥቅም ማግኘት የሚችለው የውጭ ጉዳይ ወይም የኢኮኖሚ ስራ ቢሰጠው ነው። ኢኮኖሚ የብርሃኑ ፕሮፌሽናል ክህሎቱ ነው። የውጭ ጉዳይ ደሞ ብርሃኑ ካለው ረጅም የውጭ ልምድ፣ ምሁራዊ መስፈርት፣ ቋንቋ አንጻር ትልቅ ክብደትና መታወቅ ጋርና አሁን ምዕራቦች ከያዙት አቋም ጋርና እንዲሁ ብርሃኑ ኤርትራ ጋር የነበረውን ግንኙነት ሲታከልበት በዛሬይቱ ኢትዮጵያ ከብርሃኑ የተሻለ የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስትር ያለ አይመስለኝም (3)። ብርሃኑ በመላ ምዕራብ የሚታወቅ ብራንድ ኔም ነው። ስለዚህ እኔ አቢይ ብሆን ብርሃኑን የውጭ ጉዳይ አድርጌ መዕራብን አስደምማለሁ ። ሌሎች 2 ሚኒስቴሮች ኢንዱስትሪና ኢንተርፕራይዝ (8) ወይም የሰራተኛ፣ ስራ ፈጠራና ክህሎት (14) ናቸው ። ብርሃኑ የኢኮኖሚ ፍትህ ላይ ስለሆነ ጥልቅ እምነቱ ሚኒስትሪ ኦፍ ሌበር አንደ ማለት ነው! ይህ ነው የእኔ ግምት !!
- 1. የመከላከያ ሚኒስቴር
2. የሃገር ውስጥ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር
3. የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር
4. የፕላንና ልማት ሚኒስቴር
5. የገንዘብ ሚኒስቴር
6. የፍትህ ሚኒስቴር
7. የግብርና ሚኒስቴር
8. የኢንዱስትሪና ኢንተርፕራይዝ ሚኒስቴር
9. የማዕድን ሚኒስቴር
10. የዉሃ፣ አካባቢና ኤነርጂ ሚኒስቴር
11. የመስኖና ቆላማ አካባቢ ልማት ሚኒስቴር
12. የከተማ፣ ገጠርና ልማት ኮንስትራክሽን ሚኒስቴር
13. የሳይንስ፣ ቴክኖሎጂና ኢኖቬሽን ሚኒስቴር
14. የትምሀርት ሚኒስቴር
15. የጤና ሚኒስቴር
16. የንግድና ቀጠናዊ ትስስር ሚኒስቴር
17. የገቢዎችና ጉምሩክ ሚኒስቴር
18. የትራንስፖርትና ሎጅስቲክስ ሚኒስቴር
19. የቱሪዝም ስነጥበብና ባህል ሚኒስቴር
20. የሰራተኛ፣ ስራ ፈጠራና ክህሎት ልማት ሚኒስቴር
21. የስርዓተ ጾታና ማህበራዊ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር[/b]
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
I wound definitely give him the Foreign Ministry. Interesting, የሰላም ሚንስቴር is now gone.
Horus wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 00:55በእኔ ግምት አቢይ ከብርሃኑ ማክሲመም ጥቅም ማግኘት የሚችለው የውጭ ጉዳይ ወይም የኢኮኖሚ ስራ ቢሰጠው ነው። ኢኮኖሚ የብርሃኑ ፕሮፌሽናል ክህሎቱ ነው። የውጭ ጉዳይ ደሞ ብርሃኑ ካለው ረጅም የውጭ ልምድ፣ ምሁራዊ መስፈርት፣ ቋንቋ አንጻር ትልቅ ክብደትና መታወቅ ጋርና አሁን ምዕራቦች ከያዙት አቋም ጋርና እንዲሁ ብርሃኑ ኤርትራ ጋር የነበረውን ግንኙነት ሲታከልበት በዛሬይቱ ኢትዮጵያ ከብርሃኑ የተሻለ የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስትር ያለ አይመስለኝም (3)። ብርሃኑ በመላ ምዕራብ የሚታወቅ ብራንድ ኔም ነው። ስለዚህ እኔ አቢይ ብሆን ብርሃኑን የውጭ ጉዳይ አድርጌ መዕራብን አስደምማለሁ ። ሌሎች 2 ሚኒስቴሮች ኢንዱስትሪና ኢንተርፕራይዝ (8) ወይም የሰራተኛ፣ ስራ ፈጠራና ክህሎት (14) ናቸው ። ብርሃኑ የኢኮኖሚ ፍትህ ላይ ስለሆነ ጥልቅ እምነቱ ሚኒስትሪ ኦፍ ሌበር አንደ ማለት ነው! ይህ ነው የእኔ ግምት !!
- 1. የመከላከያ ሚኒስቴር
2. የሃገር ውስጥ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር
3. የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር
4. የፕላንና ልማት ሚኒስቴር
5. የገንዘብ ሚኒስቴር
6. የፍትህ ሚኒስቴር
7. የግብርና ሚኒስቴር
8. የኢንዱስትሪና ኢንተርፕራይዝ ሚኒስቴር
9. የማዕድን ሚኒስቴር
10. የዉሃ፣ አካባቢና ኤነርጂ ሚኒስቴር
11. የመስኖና ቆላማ አካባቢ ልማት ሚኒስቴር
12. የከተማ፣ ገጠርና ልማት ኮንስትራክሽን ሚኒስቴር
13. የሳይንስ፣ ቴክኖሎጂና ኢኖቬሽን ሚኒስቴር
14. የትምሀርት ሚኒስቴር
15. የጤና ሚኒስቴር
16. የንግድና ቀጠናዊ ትስስር ሚኒስቴር
17. የገቢዎችና ጉምሩክ ሚኒስቴር
18. የትራንስፖርትና ሎጅስቲክስ ሚኒስቴር
19. የቱሪዝም ስነጥበብና ባህል ሚኒስቴር
20. የሰራተኛ፣ ስራ ፈጠራና ክህሎት ልማት ሚኒስቴር
21. የስርዓተ ጾታና ማህበራዊ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር[/b]
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
kibramlak,
I pretty much agree with what you said - Berhanu is a classic economic man, the rational thinker and deliberate analyst. I am assuming that is the influence of his expertise in economic behavior. According to the latest theories in behavioral economics, those type of people take time to analyze problems, are slow to make decision and are less likely to make mistakes. They are systematic, logical and sequential thinkers. Personally I find that to be a requisite skill for a complex diplomatic task. As a researcher, I also think he can be a good manager of a large group of diplomats and strategic analysts in an institution such as this. You also mentioned Berhanu's choice of words and what is called diplomatic finesse which requires a long training and experience in negotiation skills and diplomatic behaviors and norms. As you well know the ministry gives trainings on this sorts of specific job related skills. But Berhanu's greatest asset is that he is hard core defender of Ethiopian national interest, mastery of language and complex thought, deep knowledge of how the western world operates and massive amounts of reading on issues of geopolitics and strategy. Ethiopia needs a Berhanu like brand name and stature as foreign minister.
I pretty much agree with what you said - Berhanu is a classic economic man, the rational thinker and deliberate analyst. I am assuming that is the influence of his expertise in economic behavior. According to the latest theories in behavioral economics, those type of people take time to analyze problems, are slow to make decision and are less likely to make mistakes. They are systematic, logical and sequential thinkers. Personally I find that to be a requisite skill for a complex diplomatic task. As a researcher, I also think he can be a good manager of a large group of diplomats and strategic analysts in an institution such as this. You also mentioned Berhanu's choice of words and what is called diplomatic finesse which requires a long training and experience in negotiation skills and diplomatic behaviors and norms. As you well know the ministry gives trainings on this sorts of specific job related skills. But Berhanu's greatest asset is that he is hard core defender of Ethiopian national interest, mastery of language and complex thought, deep knowledge of how the western world operates and massive amounts of reading on issues of geopolitics and strategy. Ethiopia needs a Berhanu like brand name and stature as foreign minister.
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
Horus, I beg to differ .
"Personally I find that to be a requisite skill for a complex diplomatic task."
No doubt that Berhanu's expertise is economics, and he can contribute a great deal to pull Ethiopia from the economical maladies it finds itself. He is also a very strategic thinker when it comes to aiming at the end game when it comes to politics. However, he is a liability when it comes to retail politicking. Berhanu comes across as an unprincipled politician saying whatever needs to be side " in the service of the end". His nonchalant attitude towards the truth got to point of grotesque when a week before the election he denied the existence of ethnic cleansing when even Abiy's government didn't deny the existence of it. The result speaks for it self- a wholesale election loss. Diplomacy is a profession as Economics is. Berhanu had success in establishing an Economic think-tank that used to analyze and recommend solutions. I think he would be a good fit for that kind of job. Let us leave diplomacy to the kind of Taye Atske Selassie, Ethiopia's UN representative, he is an epitome of a diplomat.
"Personally I find that to be a requisite skill for a complex diplomatic task."
No doubt that Berhanu's expertise is economics, and he can contribute a great deal to pull Ethiopia from the economical maladies it finds itself. He is also a very strategic thinker when it comes to aiming at the end game when it comes to politics. However, he is a liability when it comes to retail politicking. Berhanu comes across as an unprincipled politician saying whatever needs to be side " in the service of the end". His nonchalant attitude towards the truth got to point of grotesque when a week before the election he denied the existence of ethnic cleansing when even Abiy's government didn't deny the existence of it. The result speaks for it self- a wholesale election loss. Diplomacy is a profession as Economics is. Berhanu had success in establishing an Economic think-tank that used to analyze and recommend solutions. I think he would be a good fit for that kind of job. Let us leave diplomacy to the kind of Taye Atske Selassie, Ethiopia's UN representative, he is an epitome of a diplomat.
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
I think Berehanu Nega would be a good fit for the position of Minster of Economics. I don't think he has a proven experience in foreign relations and global diplomacy. I don't mean he does not satisfy the basic requirements for Minster of foreign affairs but don't believe he has an excelling expertise in these area. Being a competent academician in the field of economic he definitely will be an asset in the initiative to pull the country out of economic crisis. Poverty is one battle front as diplomacy is
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
Liquor and kitfo commission.
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
Abere wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 17:52I think Berehanu Nega would be a good fit for the position of Minster of Economics. I don't think he has a proven experience in foreign relations and global diplomacy. I don't mean he does not satisfy the basic requirements for Minster of foreign affairs but don't believe he has an excelling expertise in these area. Being a competent academician in the field of economic he definitely will be an asset in the initiative to pull the country out of economic crisis. Poverty is one battle front as diplomacy is
You might be correct that Dr. Berhanu Nega does not have a proven experience in foreign relations and global diplomacy.. But I have the feeling that Dr. Abby will nominate him as a Foreign Minister where I think he will put the foreign ministry in a much better than its current status.
If Dr. Berhanu happens to be nominated a foreign minister, Sium Mesfun will scream from his grave
Dedebit is always dedeb
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Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
TGAA,
So are you saying that Ato Taye Atske Selassie could be the foreign minister? But, don't forget we are talking about an hypothetical case. If Ato Taye was of that caliber why is it then Ato Demeke had to take double responsibility of both Vice PM and FM? As for your opinion that Prof. Berhanu being unprincipled is the tribal extremist trash that is proven a be same old ignorant insult. Yes, he did not serve as water carrier of ethnic noise and as you well know that is history now. The behavior you just attributed to him is called pragmatism in philosophy of action. As a matter of fact, none of us know the kind of theory Ethiopia bases her international politics and diplomacy. The theory of national interest is essentially a pragmatic philosophy. The core underlying rock bottom principle is the Ethiopian national interest (ENI) and all other behaviors be it strategic or tactical exist/ happen to serve that ENI. So, contrary to your misplaced assessment of Berhanu's beliefs and abilities his economic mind and rational pragmatic decision making are precisely what is needed in the world of international political and economic chase game. In world politics, nations have permanent interest and everything else is relative to that. This in one word is what pragmatism is about.
Abere,
Your view was my first though. Then as looked around, Ethiopia has a lot food economists event in the current regime there some brilliant minds. I have followed some of the macro economists and they are good. So, found it misuse of talent having another economics professor there. Then again We don't know if there is any major differences or debate on national economic policy or the kinds of theories driving the thinking of PP and EZEMA regarding national economic development. So, I am not even sure if Berhanu and Abiy hold same type of economic development theory . What I know for sure is that Berhanu and Abiy see eye to eye when it comes to the Ethiopia nation state and her national interest abroad.
let us not forget the foreign minister's position is not even a vacant one. But, I don't believe Vice PM Demeke will carry both burden's in the regime.
So are you saying that Ato Taye Atske Selassie could be the foreign minister? But, don't forget we are talking about an hypothetical case. If Ato Taye was of that caliber why is it then Ato Demeke had to take double responsibility of both Vice PM and FM? As for your opinion that Prof. Berhanu being unprincipled is the tribal extremist trash that is proven a be same old ignorant insult. Yes, he did not serve as water carrier of ethnic noise and as you well know that is history now. The behavior you just attributed to him is called pragmatism in philosophy of action. As a matter of fact, none of us know the kind of theory Ethiopia bases her international politics and diplomacy. The theory of national interest is essentially a pragmatic philosophy. The core underlying rock bottom principle is the Ethiopian national interest (ENI) and all other behaviors be it strategic or tactical exist/ happen to serve that ENI. So, contrary to your misplaced assessment of Berhanu's beliefs and abilities his economic mind and rational pragmatic decision making are precisely what is needed in the world of international political and economic chase game. In world politics, nations have permanent interest and everything else is relative to that. This in one word is what pragmatism is about.
Abere,
Your view was my first though. Then as looked around, Ethiopia has a lot food economists event in the current regime there some brilliant minds. I have followed some of the macro economists and they are good. So, found it misuse of talent having another economics professor there. Then again We don't know if there is any major differences or debate on national economic policy or the kinds of theories driving the thinking of PP and EZEMA regarding national economic development. So, I am not even sure if Berhanu and Abiy hold same type of economic development theory . What I know for sure is that Berhanu and Abiy see eye to eye when it comes to the Ethiopia nation state and her national interest abroad.
let us not forget the foreign minister's position is not even a vacant one. But, I don't believe Vice PM Demeke will carry both burden's in the regime.
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Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
I suggest advisor to PM on Gurage issues as 22nd option. Prof. Brihanu will happily accepts this position as this is the opportunity to promote Gurage issues at government level.Horus wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 00:55በእኔ ግምት አቢይ ከብርሃኑ ማክሲመም ጥቅም ማግኘት የሚችለው የውጭ ጉዳይ ወይም የኢኮኖሚ ስራ ቢሰጠው ነው። ኢኮኖሚ የብርሃኑ ፕሮፌሽናል ክህሎቱ ነው። የውጭ ጉዳይ ደሞ ብርሃኑ ካለው ረጅም የውጭ ልምድ፣ ምሁራዊ መስፈርት፣ ቋንቋ አንጻር ትልቅ ክብደትና መታወቅ ጋርና አሁን ምዕራቦች ከያዙት አቋም ጋርና እንዲሁ ብርሃኑ ኤርትራ ጋር የነበረውን ግንኙነት ሲታከልበት በዛሬይቱ ኢትዮጵያ ከብርሃኑ የተሻለ የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስትር ያለ አይመስለኝም (3)። ብርሃኑ በመላ ምዕራብ የሚታወቅ ብራንድ ኔም ነው። ስለዚህ እኔ አቢይ ብሆን ብርሃኑን የውጭ ጉዳይ አድርጌ መዕራብን አስደምማለሁ ። ሌሎች 2 ሚኒስቴሮች ኢንዱስትሪና ኢንተርፕራይዝ (8) ወይም የሰራተኛ፣ ስራ ፈጠራና ክህሎት (14) ናቸው ። ብርሃኑ የኢኮኖሚ ፍትህ ላይ ስለሆነ ጥልቅ እምነቱ ሚኒስትሪ ኦፍ ሌበር አንደ ማለት ነው! ይህ ነው የእኔ ግምት !!
- 1. የመከላከያ ሚኒስቴር
2. የሃገር ውስጥ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር
3. የውጭ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር
4. የፕላንና ልማት ሚኒስቴር
5. የገንዘብ ሚኒስቴር
6. የፍትህ ሚኒስቴር
7. የግብርና ሚኒስቴር
8. የኢንዱስትሪና ኢንተርፕራይዝ ሚኒስቴር
9. የማዕድን ሚኒስቴር
10. የዉሃ፣ አካባቢና ኤነርጂ ሚኒስቴር
11. የመስኖና ቆላማ አካባቢ ልማት ሚኒስቴር
12. የከተማ፣ ገጠርና ልማት ኮንስትራክሽን ሚኒስቴር
13. የሳይንስ፣ ቴክኖሎጂና ኢኖቬሽን ሚኒስቴር
14. የትምሀርት ሚኒስቴር
15. የጤና ሚኒስቴር
16. የንግድና ቀጠናዊ ትስስር ሚኒስቴር
17. የገቢዎችና ጉምሩክ ሚኒስቴር
18. የትራንስፖርትና ሎጅስቲክስ ሚኒስቴር
19. የቱሪዝም ስነጥበብና ባህል ሚኒስቴር
20. የሰራተኛ፣ ስራ ፈጠራና ክህሎት ልማት ሚኒስቴር
21. የስርዓተ ጾታና ማህበራዊ ጉዳይ ሚኒስቴር[/b]
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
Horus wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 22:13TGAA,
So are you saying that Ato Taye Atske Selassie could be the foreign minister? But, don't forget we are talking about a hypothetical case. If Ato Taye was of that caliber why is it then Ato Demeke had to take double responsibility of both Vice PM and FM? As for your opinion that Prof. Berhanu being unprincipled is the tribal extremist trash that is proven a be the same old ignorant insult. Yes, he did not serve as a water carrier of ethnic noise and as you well know that is history now. The behavior you just attributed to him is called pragmatism in the philosophy of action. As a matter of fact, none of us know the kind of theory Ethiopia bases her international politics and diplomacy. The theory of national interest is essentially a pragmatic philosophy. The core underlying rock bottom principle is the Ethiopian national interest (ENI) and all other behaviors be it strategic or tactical exist/ happen to serve that ENI. So, contrary to your misplaced assessment of Berhanu's beliefs and abilities his economic mind and rational pragmatic decision making are precisely what is needed in the world of an international political and economic chase game. In world politics, nations have permanent interests and everything else is relative to that. This in one word is what pragmatism is about.
Hours, You are right we are talking hypothetical case. I’m just talking about how Taye Atske Selassie has handled his responsibilities and executed his obligation. Abiy chooses whomever he wants and delegates responsibilities how he sees fit. Your broad brash “Prof. Berhanu being unprincipled is the tribal extremist trash that is proven a be the same old ignorant insult” is not impressive at all. Anyone who questions certain aspects of Dr. Brhanu’s character should not offhand be attributed to tribal extremism (trash)?; what a winning argument. Berhanu is a public figure and everything he said, the good and the bad, all are in the public domain, accordingly, we just need to leave the judgment for Ethiopian people. If you are a pragmatist you also have to admit that his party and individually, he himself, lost in a fair and squire election. Remember in 2005 he had Addis Ababians in his back pocket. What happened? You wouldn’t use the same kind of adjective on Addis Ababians they are neither of those. .You may have your own explanation why. After all, he is a person who sacrificed a lot to bring about a just society in Ethiopia. It wouldn’t hurt to ask the whys of everything. To go back to your main point We are talking about the best position he would fit in to do more good to help the Ethiopian people. I say the Economic sector needs a visionary leader with knowledge and experience, and that person is Dr Brhanu Nega . He still can be a good foreign minister and he will be a successful one at that, but if we want the Best Bang for our Buck we need to put Brhanu as the captain of the economy rather than the leader of foreign emissaries.
Aristotle: “Plato is dear to me, but dearer still is truth.”
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
TGAA,
As I said, neither I nor you are in any position to decide what particular office Berhanu should hold, if he does; my strong reaction to your unjustified characterization of the man as unprincipled stands. You have already contradicted yourself when you on the one hand consider the man unprincipled and on the other hand elect him (trust him) to run the economic life a nation. No, if Berhanu is an unprincipled person, I would not let him get close to anything public let alone the economy of our nation. TGAA - be consistent. If you consider him unqualified for FM position, argue that with empirical justification. If you consider him an unprincipled, morally defective person, then argue to exclude the man from all and any public office. No, what I have on my desk is not Plato's Republic but Aritotle's Nicomachean Ethics. ኬር! ዋኛም ለመስቀል አሰላነሀ !!
Oh yes, as for EZEM's defeat in the election, go back and read my critique of the party. The people were 100 times wiser than EZEMA. The people were not voting to change a regime, they were legitimatizing Abiy 's regime against TPLF. They were focused like a laser and told EZEMA and all other parties that the country was establishing order not changing leaders and hence all those parties should not have run in the first place. None of the parties were proposing an alternative government . The people clearly knew that and none of wasted their votes. That is called wisdom of the crowd. As the result of that EZEMA's consistent support of Abiy ,Ethiopia is saved from TPLF takeover. That alone a historic contribution of Brhanu to the stability and victory of Ethiopia! Now that is called being principled !!!
banebris2013
ጉራጌ የራሱን ችግር በራሱ የሚፈታ ሕዝብ ነው! አቢይ ጋ አማካሪ አንቀጥርም FYI !!
As I said, neither I nor you are in any position to decide what particular office Berhanu should hold, if he does; my strong reaction to your unjustified characterization of the man as unprincipled stands. You have already contradicted yourself when you on the one hand consider the man unprincipled and on the other hand elect him (trust him) to run the economic life a nation. No, if Berhanu is an unprincipled person, I would not let him get close to anything public let alone the economy of our nation. TGAA - be consistent. If you consider him unqualified for FM position, argue that with empirical justification. If you consider him an unprincipled, morally defective person, then argue to exclude the man from all and any public office. No, what I have on my desk is not Plato's Republic but Aritotle's Nicomachean Ethics. ኬር! ዋኛም ለመስቀል አሰላነሀ !!
Oh yes, as for EZEM's defeat in the election, go back and read my critique of the party. The people were 100 times wiser than EZEMA. The people were not voting to change a regime, they were legitimatizing Abiy 's regime against TPLF. They were focused like a laser and told EZEMA and all other parties that the country was establishing order not changing leaders and hence all those parties should not have run in the first place. None of the parties were proposing an alternative government . The people clearly knew that and none of wasted their votes. That is called wisdom of the crowd. As the result of that EZEMA's consistent support of Abiy ,Ethiopia is saved from TPLF takeover. That alone a historic contribution of Brhanu to the stability and victory of Ethiopia! Now that is called being principled !!!
banebris2013
ጉራጌ የራሱን ችግር በራሱ የሚፈታ ሕዝብ ነው! አቢይ ጋ አማካሪ አንቀጥርም FYI !!
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Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
The last time i read a news, TDF still controls, significant part of the Amhara region. Are you sure Ethiopia is saved? or can you elaborate with what you mean Ethiopia is saved from TPLF.Horus wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 01:13TGAA,
As I said, neither I nor you are in any position to decide what particular office Berhanu should hold, if he does; my strong reaction to your unjustified characterization of the man as unprincipled stands. You have already contradicted yourself when you on the one hand consider the man unprincipled and on the other hand elect him (trust him) to run the economic life a nation. No, if Berhanu is an unprincipled person, I would not let him get close to anything public let alone the economy of our nation. TGAA - be consistent. If you consider him unqualified for FM position, argue that with empirical justification. If you consider him an unprincipled, morally defective person, then argue to exclude the man from all and any public office. No, what I have on my desk is not Plato's Republic but Aritotle's Nicomachean Ethics. ኬር! ዋኛም ለመስቀል አሰላነሀ !!
Oh yes, as for EZEM's defeat in the election, go back and read my critique of the party. The people were 100 times wiser than EZEMA. The people were not voting to change a regime, they were legitimatizing Abiy 's regime against TPLF. They were focused like a laser and told EZEMA and all other parties that the country was establishing order not changing leaders and hence all those parties should not have run in the first place. None of the parties were proposing an alternative government . The people clearly knew that and none of wasted their votes. That is called wisdom of the crowd. As the result of that EZEMA's consistent support of Abiy ,Ethiopia is saved from TPLF takeover. That alone a historic contribution of Brhanu to the stability and victory of Ethiopia! Now that is called being principled !!!
banebris2013
ጉራጌ የራሱን ችግር በራሱ የሚፈታ ሕዝብ ነው! አቢይ ጋ አማካሪ አንቀጥርም FYI !!
Realistically, Ethiopia will never be the same again post completion of this war. Eritrea might annex the so called western Tigray and the remining Tigray will declare independence.
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
Another key and critical ministerial position that requires much care while assigning someone is the Ministry of Interior. I hope Abiy will not assign Muferiat again. Its too much of a plate for her capacity. This post requires criteria way beyond loyalty. It requires someone who can sense and predict potential and real dangers, at least until the terrorist tplf is completely dismantled.
Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
banebris2013,
Why are you mixing apples and oranges?
First, there is no reason Eritrea to claim North Gondar (Humera & Welqait) but Eritrea has a claim on North Tigray (Badme) which she legally is awarded and has militarily secured. Eritrea does not have any issue with Amhara as far as boundary is concerned. However, Eritrea and Amhara are in alliance to cancel out TPLF, secure sustainable peace, open Asmara- Humera/Gondar/Bahir Dar rail and highway. That is it, as far as Eritrea/Amhara region is concerned.
Second, TPLF has nothing to do or has no or little effect on the current national and regional government appointment. TPLF is already isolated and designated as terrorist. Simply there were no election in Tigray ( accounting 4% of the national population) does not mean life will stop in the remaining 96% of the country. Statistically no election and no legitimate government in Tigray is insignificant. Neither has TPLF controlled any significant part of Amhara region. TPLF rather is a bandit and is on a hit and run - which is true for most rebels. So, don't mix rebel thugs with elected political appointees and government officials. I can sense, you are hurt by the fact that TPLF is expelled from the political scene of Ethiopia.
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Finally, Prof. Berhanu Nega, in my opinion would have higher probability of success and living behind a good legacy if appointed as Minster of Economy than Foreign Minster. If elected as Foreign Minster he will be serving fine, but the issue is academicians are stubborn when it comes to diplomacy. Academicians have the propensity to tune to the grassroot level reality while diplomacy is more of pleasing elites, stuffed with with mix of white lies and facts. In any case, Ethiopia will have much better Foreign Minster than Seyoum Mesfin used to be in the TPLF's decades long brutal ethnic minority regime. TPLF foreign minster was rather a foreign minster of the Western country, not an Ethiopian. This time Ethiopia will have her own Foreign Minster.
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Realistically, Ethiopia will never be the same again post completion of this war. Eritrea might annex the so called western Tigray and the remining Tigray will declare independence.
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Why are you mixing apples and oranges?
First, there is no reason Eritrea to claim North Gondar (Humera & Welqait) but Eritrea has a claim on North Tigray (Badme) which she legally is awarded and has militarily secured. Eritrea does not have any issue with Amhara as far as boundary is concerned. However, Eritrea and Amhara are in alliance to cancel out TPLF, secure sustainable peace, open Asmara- Humera/Gondar/Bahir Dar rail and highway. That is it, as far as Eritrea/Amhara region is concerned.
Second, TPLF has nothing to do or has no or little effect on the current national and regional government appointment. TPLF is already isolated and designated as terrorist. Simply there were no election in Tigray ( accounting 4% of the national population) does not mean life will stop in the remaining 96% of the country. Statistically no election and no legitimate government in Tigray is insignificant. Neither has TPLF controlled any significant part of Amhara region. TPLF rather is a bandit and is on a hit and run - which is true for most rebels. So, don't mix rebel thugs with elected political appointees and government officials. I can sense, you are hurt by the fact that TPLF is expelled from the political scene of Ethiopia.
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Finally, Prof. Berhanu Nega, in my opinion would have higher probability of success and living behind a good legacy if appointed as Minster of Economy than Foreign Minster. If elected as Foreign Minster he will be serving fine, but the issue is academicians are stubborn when it comes to diplomacy. Academicians have the propensity to tune to the grassroot level reality while diplomacy is more of pleasing elites, stuffed with with mix of white lies and facts. In any case, Ethiopia will have much better Foreign Minster than Seyoum Mesfin used to be in the TPLF's decades long brutal ethnic minority regime. TPLF foreign minster was rather a foreign minster of the Western country, not an Ethiopian. This time Ethiopia will have her own Foreign Minster.
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The last time i read a news, TDF still controls, significant part of the Amhara region. Are you sure Ethiopia is saved? or can you elaborate with what you mean Ethiopia is saved from TPLF.
Realistically, Ethiopia will never be the same again post completion of this war. Eritrea might annex the so called western Tigray and the remining Tigray will declare independence.
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Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
kibramlak,kibramlak wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 06:36Another key and critical ministerial position that requires much care while assigning someone is the Ministry of Interior. I hope Abiy will not assign Muferiat again. Its too much of a plate for her capacity. This post requires criteria way beyond loyalty. It requires someone who can sense and predict potential and real dangers, at least until the terrorist tplf is completely dismantled.
Addis Media (Melaku Yilma) which I consider an insider reported that Muferiyat is going to stay as minister of Internal Affairs which is the new name for ministry of peace. Internal affairs consists of 8 huge internal security agencies. FYI .
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Re: ጠ/ሚ አቢይ ፕ/ር ብርሃኑን ካቢኔ ካስገባው የትኛው ሚኒስትር ይሆናል?
[/quote]Abere wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 09:11banebris2013,
Why are you mixing apples and oranges?
First, there is no reason Eritrea to claim North Gondar (Humera & Welqait) but Eritrea has a claim on North Tigray (Badme) which she legally is awarded and has militarily secured. Eritrea does not have any issue with Amhara as far as boundary is concerned. However, Eritrea and Amhara are in alliance to cancel out TPLF, secure sustainable peace, open Asmara- Humera/Gondar/Bahir Dar rail and highway. That is it, as far as Eritrea/Amhara region is concerned.
Second, TPLF has nothing to do or has no or little effect on the current national and regional government appointment. TPLF is already isolated and designated as terrorist. Simply there were no election in Tigray ( accounting 4% of the national population) does not mean life will stop in the remaining 96% of the country. Statistically no election and no legitimate government in Tigray is insignificant. Neither has TPLF controlled any significant part of Amhara region. TPLF rather is a bandit and is on a hit and run - which is true for most rebels. So, don't mix rebel thugs with elected political appointees and government officials. I can sense, you are hurt by the fact that TPLF is expelled from the political scene of Ethiopia.
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Finally, Prof. Berhanu Nega, in my opinion would have higher probability of success and living behind a good legacy if appointed as Minster of Economy than Foreign Minster. If elected as Foreign Minster he will be serving fine, but the issue is academicians are stubborn when it comes to diplomacy. Academicians have the propensity to tune to the grassroot level reality while diplomacy is more of pleasing elites, stuffed with with mix of white lies and facts. In any case, Ethiopia will have much better Foreign Minster than Seyoum Mesfin used to be in the TPLF's decades long brutal ethnic minority regime. TPLF foreign minster was rather a foreign minster of the Western country, not an Ethiopian. This time Ethiopia will have her own Foreign Minster.
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The last time i read a news, TDF still controls, significant part of the Amhara region. Are you sure Ethiopia is saved? or can you elaborate with what you mean Ethiopia is saved from TPLF.
Realistically, Ethiopia will never be the same again post completion of this war. Eritrea might annex the so called western Tigray and the remining Tigray will declare independence.
Are you sure i am mixing apple and orange?
First my comment was part of reply to comment from Horus that EZEMA saved Ethiopia from TPLF.
Second: your statement " Eritrea and Amhara are in alliance to cancel out TPLF, secure sustainable peace, open Asmara- Humera/Gondar/Bahir Dar rail and highway. That is it, as far as Eritrea/Amhara region is concerned", justifies my comment.
Abere, it is time to take time and think about the future of Ethiopia and have an honest reflection on the on going conflict. Two wrongs will never make one right. The plan that EDF, Eritrean army, Amhara forces and other forces from different states will destroy TDF and make them nonexistent like Diakon Daniel said has yet to be materialized. On the contrary, TDF controls significant part of Amhara region. It is both the Tigray and Amhara people who suffers the most due to this conflict. So everyone who wants continuity of Ethiopia as a country should come to his/her sense and contribute in peaceful resolution of this conflict. Facts on the ground should win over propaganda. The only way to shorten this conflict is peace talk. Otherwise there will not be military solution to this conflict.