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[Hawdian]

Amhara are not flexible people open to fresh ideas or doing things.

They want to chop arms, legs and breasts like they did Menelik days but there less Ras Gobana and Makonnen today (Oromo) willing to die for them.

Oromo identity is clear unclear in the past.
Oromo nationalism is burning
Waaqfenna is a strong social and political identity across multi-faiths. You see how Irreechaa unites them and are no longer held captive by the Amhara Church.

Church - Amhara
Waaqa - Oromo
Islam - Somali

Therefore, Amhara doesn't have the military abilities, capacity, opportunities (today war crimes, human rights are visible).

Forget military. That's Isaias and FANO ideas.

Tigray is part of Ethiopia and this should be an internal dialogue with the blessings of cross sector society from Parliament, intellectual, religious, and so forth.

The World is watching and it's not going to end well for you like Serbia.

Way forward
- de-escalation
- demilitarization
- create green zones (between Amhara and Tigray), humanitarian corridors
- monitoring committee
- autonomous Tigray
- Amharanization of Tigray, Benishangul-Gumuz are unacceptable.




Always trust the Ras:

I join leaders from across Africa and around the world in urging the parties to the conflict to halt their military campaigns respect human rights, allow unhindered humanitarian access, and come to the negotiating table without preconditions. Eritrean forces must withdraw from Ethiopia.

– Biden

With Eritreans gone, Amhara are not capable of holding Welkeyt/Himora for three days. Remember these words.


The Ras

[YAY]

Dear Hawdian, Haw Dian, or The Ras: Reconsider your peace proposal, please


The lasting solution --i.e. peace with justice--for Tigraiy must include both military and political solutions.

Your proposal, or USA President Joe Biden's proposal for peace is to be done by an actual or a threat of sanctions or military violence. It may, just may, bring about short-lived peace at best, but NOT sustainable and genuine true peace in Etiyopiya for two main reasons:
1. Your misguided view of justice and the rule of law in both war and peace. Peace does not come with simplistic dialogue and negotiations. Written laws must be

... equally enforced and independently adjudicated...

https://www.un.org/ruleoflaw/what-is-the-rule-of-law/
In domestic or international affairs,"

...war and the threat of violence are the essential building blocks for peace and stability.

https://www.nchlondon.ac.uk/2018/07/01/ ... for-peace/

You say that military action is not the solution for Tigraiy, Etiyopiya, but your proposal depends on easily defeating the AmHara militarily. If that is the case against the AmHara, why is it not true in the case of handling the TPLF (Tigrai People's Liberation Front). True, Tigraiy is part of Etiyopiya, but you carelessly forget the fact that TPLF was the first to use military violence to attack the Federal Government (the common and unifying State of all the Etiyopiyan people-groups). You do not raise the issue of how the law or justice must be applied on the TPLF or any other group that tries to change things domestic militarily. How can peace be sustained if there is no enforcement of the law, and can law be enforced if there is no armed force to do it? Should law enforcement be discontinued if the suspected criminals resist the Federal Government through organized war? How could there be peaceful governance without justice or respect to the law of the land? Your slogan of "Forget military" fails to answer these questions. That means, your proposal is good for saving the TPLF from accountability, but bad for the rest Etiyopiya regarding the rule of law.

A better proposal is for the people of Tigraiy to determine, on a referendum, if the TPLF war against the Federal Government is in their best interests, and should continue, or not, and be stopped. Until then, the Federal Government needs to militarily counteract TPLF's war of wrongdoing until the criminal suspects surrender to law and justice, or perish. Then, legitimate representatives (acceptable to National Elections Board rules and procedures) of the people of Tigraiy could peacefully seek political solutions together with other Etiyopiyans. The only negotiation the Federal Government should do with the criminal suspects is how they could peacefully be brought to justice., and let the laws determine their future.

2. Your proposal is not all-inclusive. You want to alienate the AmHara and deny them their rights to participate in shaping the new Etiyopiya together with other Etiyopiyans. You are still using the AmHara as a punching bag for your cause's propaganda (that they are the enemy of other Etiyopiyans), similar to what TPLF did/does. You see the current AmHara people-group equivalent to the previous AmHara rulers/oppressors of the Etiyopiyan people. You do not see that the two sets of groups are qualitatively different (rulers vs. common people). Your campaign of vilification against the AmHara, the Oromo, etc. people-groups is nothing but a push for "unjust peace", which does not stop violence for justice ("just war").

Amhara are not flexible people open to fresh ideas or doing things.

They want to chop arms, legs and breasts like they did Menelik days but there less Ras Gobana and Makonnen today (Oromo) willing to die for them.

Oromo identity is clear unclear in the past.
Oromo nationalism is burning
Waaqfenna is a strong social and political identity across multi-faiths. You see how Irreechaa unites them and are no longer held captive by the Amhara Church.

Church - Amhara
Waaqa - Oromo
Islam - Somali

Therefore, Amhara doesn't have the military abilities, capacity, opportunities (today war crimes, human rights are visible).

Forget military. That's Isaias and FANO ideas.

Tigray is part of Ethiopia and this should be an internal dialogue with the blessings of cross sector society from Parliament, intellectual, religious, and so forth.

The World is watching and it's not going to end well for you like Serbia.

Way forward
- de-escalation
- demilitarization
- create green zones (between Amhara and Tigray), humanitarian corridors
- monitoring committee
- autonomous Tigray
- Amharanization of Tigray, Benishangul-Gumuz are unacceptable.




Always trust the Ras:

I join leaders from across Africa and around the world in urging the parties to the conflict to halt their military campaigns respect human rights, allow unhindered humanitarian access, and come to the negotiating table without preconditions. Eritrean forces must withdraw from Ethiopia.

– Biden

With Eritreans gone, Amhara are not capable of holding Welkeyt/Himora for three days. Remember these words.


The Ras

[gearhead]

Amhara are not flexible people open to fresh ideas or doing things.

No! It is a psychosis that sees any other way, as life threatening! Everything else flows from this point of reasoning. When they win, it is not enough, the demand stretches;when they loose they bid their time to bounce back in vengeance! a vicious circle that has to be contained now by hook or crook or no one is safe!

[DefendTheTruth]

The chicken of the Junta can keep screaming but the Junta chose the means to be used to settle issues at hand and that means is being delivered accordingly now, will be delivered in the futute as well.

Accountability is the key, the way/means to seek it is chosen by the parties and here the choice was made by the Junta.

Horn without TPLF will be a much better place for all, including the Tigrians. Full stop

[Jirta]

https://t.me/GorgoraMedia/14758

Watch this at your own risk

[Sadacha Macca]

Obbo Hawdian,

You are biased towards Tigrayans, which is fair, since they are your people, and we're all biased to an extent: but let the objective Oromo try to add his perspective, respectfully.
You see, this could have been avoided. But, the TPLF, blinded by greed, lust for power and land, made it easy for such a war to occur.
They wanted to rule others by force and brute force at that, making enemies for themselves and their people from all over the region, mostly with their two neighbors who will always have a huge effect on them-the Amhara and Eritreans. They did worse things to Oromo's, but we tend to be forgiving people and soft hearted, even though we're fierce warriors who the italians, the egyptians, the mahdists, the amhara elites, and others, have feared in battle and admitted that, we're fierce fighters and fearless. We still, tend to be soft hearted.

Not absolving Abiy and his allies of blame, either, because they too, have their own motives for wanting to fight this war.
Let's not pretend that either sides leaders are ''angels.'' Abiy and co, served the same tplf, they claim to detest, faithfully, for decades, to the detriment of their own Oromo people, the Amhara people, and Ethiopia as a whole. Shabia, helped create those same puppet parties in the 1990's, by sending Oromo POW's to go join the OPDO. OLF's weaknesses was its downfall, so of course, our enemies took advantage of that and created a puppet party to exploit the Oromo and their resources-TPLF, EPLF, and so on.
Had the OLF lived up to its potential, it would have ruled every centimeter of the Ethiopian state, and Shabia and TPLF would have been 2nd and 3rd place- but this is, once again, the OLF's fault, and today's OLF must be aware of that, and never let those same mistakes be repeated!

Now, the question is: where will this war go? When will it end? My guess is: one side would have to give in and accept the other sides rules or regulations or conditions. As you know, our people, especially the elderly ones and the ones in politics, tend to be stubborn and see compromise as defeat or being weak. So both sides will fight for a while, until there is an undisputed winner. Unless, by some miracle, an external force, intervenes militarily. While that is unlikely to occur, who knows. Time shall tell.

Now, you said they should withdraw from Western Tigray? For the Amhara PP, that'd be political suicide, and for Abiy, it would be too, because he knows he mainly relies on Amhara's, and if he angers them, he'd lose his main, and perhaps only, support base politically.
So, he and his allies, cannot afford to do so!

[Hawdian]

We will treat Amhara and Oromo the same.
Why?

If today I give Oromo a stick to use it for their own, we all know they going to climb Ras Dashen, scream their chest out and give it to Amhara in exchange for "Certificate of Ethiopiawit Recognition".

This is the mistake Tigregu/TPLF made. They didn't see that Abiy/Oromo will run to their psychological masters.

The only way to separate is to beat both with the same stick until we free Oromo minds.

And never trust them.

The rest of Ethiopia will need to form coalitions. Greater investments and education are needed in Debub to free them.

I am certain they will learn unlike mentally captive Oromo brothers. Very little hope there.

Eritrea also wasted huge resources on OLF, where are they now? Making bush fires in the jungles? What happened to cutting off Moyale

Take notes from us. Big population is not necessarily the key. Little Afar is far more effective than the combination of Amhara and their shadow.


The Ras

[Sadacha Macca]

Obbo Hawdian,

TPLF's mistakes are many, perhaps too many to enumerate, however: they had no choice but to retreat. They saw the writing on the wall and knew their time was up. They lost all their allies, within EPRDF, the country and the region. There was no hope for them to rule as before, regardless of what abiy did, or was going to do. It was a wrap. Finito. Sorry.
The OPDO never depended on the Oromo for support, because they were created and sustained by anti-Oromo forces, first the TPLF/assisted by Shabia, then, Amhara elites today who dream of the days of menelik and haile selassie, to return.
OLF is the only solution to Oromo's issues, because they have legitimacy among their people, support across clan, religious and regions in Oromia, and much more. Recently, they captured the entire of East Guji land, as well. Getting closer, slowly but surely, to capturing all of Oromia, in due time, InshaaAllaah.

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The brutality of Abiy's mercenary forces will only fuel the fire within Oromo's to struggle until freedom.


What resources did Eritrea have to waste? Be serious here. As strong as their army is, they are not in a position to support anyone else, to the extent that it can be dependent on its support to become a full fledged armed force. The sanctions and the 30 year war took its toll and it will take time to fully recover from the pain the emperor, mengistu and etc, inflicted on Eritrea.
Not to mention that, Eritrea does not border Oromia, and is nowhere near Oromia, so it's not necessarily a place to wage war from.
As Jawar said: ''the move to Eritrea, was for the safety of the leaders of the OLF, not to wage a successful struggle.''


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[gearhead]

Wrong! A minority of house gallas do no represent the vast oromo population. The house galla used the goodwill of oromo parties and decimated them by stabbing them in the back;even cleared off noncompliant members from PP on the behest of the amhara agenda. OPDO had never had a single political agenda of its own. In fact, it finds.its mission in demolishing oromos on the behest of whatever master that it serves at the time.

More than 50,000 oromos are languishing in jail, which invalidates your uniform argument.

The house-galla is the number one enemy of oromo people. The new oromo agenda would be to purge this entity from all lands of oromia.

Thank you.

We will treat Amhara and Oromo the same.
Why?

If today I give Oromo a stick to use it for their own, we all know they going to climb Ras Dashen, scream their chest out and give it to Amhara in exchange for "Certificate of Ethiopiawit Recognition".

This is the mistake Tigregu/TPLF made. They didn't see that Abiy/Oromo will run to their psychological masters.

The only way to separate is to beat both with the same stick until we free Oromo minds.

And never trust them.

The rest of Ethiopia will need to form coalitions. Greater investments and education are needed in Debub to free them.

I am certain they will learn unlike mentally captive Oromo brothers. Very little hope there.

Eritrea also wasted huge resources on OLF, where are they now? Making bush fires in the jungles? What happened to cutting off Moyale

Take notes from us. Big population is not necessarily the key. Little Afar is far more effective than the combination of Amhara and their shadow.


The Ras

[DefendTheTruth]

yeah, ijolle finfinne, the hybrid, what is going on here?

How come seek help now from the inbreed as the hybrid?

Wrong! A minority of house gallas do no represent the vast oromo population. The house galla used the goodwill of oromo parties and decimated them by stabbing them in the back;even cleared off noncompliant members from PP on the behest of the amhara agenda. OPDO had never had a single political agenda of its own. In fact, it finds.its mission in demolishing oromos on the behest of whatever master that it serves at the time.

More than 50,000 oromos are languishing in jail, which invalidates your uniform argument.

The house-galla is the number one enemy of oromo people. The new oromo agenda would be to purge this entity from all lands of oromia.

Thank you.

We will treat Amhara and Oromo the same.
Why?

If today I give Oromo a stick to use it for their own, we all know they going to climb Ras Dashen, scream their chest out and give it to Amhara in exchange for "Certificate of Ethiopiawit Recognition".

This is the mistake Tigregu/TPLF made. They didn't see that Abiy/Oromo will run to their psychological masters.

The only way to separate is to beat both with the same stick until we free Oromo minds.

And never trust them.

The rest of Ethiopia will need to form coalitions. Greater investments and education are needed in Debub to free them.

I am certain they will learn unlike mentally captive Oromo brothers. Very little hope there.

Eritrea also wasted huge resources on OLF, where are they now? Making bush fires in the jungles? What happened to cutting off Moyale

Take notes from us. Big population is not necessarily the key. Little Afar is far more effective than the combination of Amhara and their shadow.


The Ras

[Hawdian]

Not much has changed.

Tegaru will take great lessons from this. There is no Ethiopia for you. Don't be like Galla carrying Amhara shoes for a photo opportunity next to their flag.