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There is no military solution to what is happening in #Tigray. Saving lives and prevent further suffering should be the priority for all.

Ethiopia cannot afford further destabilisation

Josep Borrell Fontelles
High Representative of the EU for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy/Vice-President of

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[sesame]

After a month of silence, the white imperialists are suddenly issuing statements when it became clear to them that the demise of their TPLF stooges is now eminent. The Ethiopian government should tell these bustards to [deleted] themselves!

[gearhead]

Ethiopia and the amhara agenda cant be anything else but a regional destabilizing force! Destabilization is in its birth defect. Amhara agenda and destabilization are synonymous and causes for the chaos in Eritrea, Somalia and Sudan! The 30 years of relative regional peace went into the dust bin the minute they hijacked the house galla into their agenda ala abiy ahmed!

A new regional approach is needs the backing of the global order as proposed here on ER.viewtopic.php?f=2&t=270458

[Deqi-Arawit]

Ethiopia and the amhara agenda cant be anything else but a regional destabilizing force! Destabilization is in its birth defect. Amhara agenda and destabilization are synonymous and causes for the chaos in Eritrea, Somalia and Sudan! The 30 years of relative regional peace went into the dust bin the minute they hijacked the house galla into their agenda ala abiy ahmed!

A new regional approach is needs the backing of the global order as proposed here on ER.viewtopic.php?f=2&t=270458

Amhara is a boogyman to People Who suffers from inferior complex.

[gearhead]

Few corrections here!The Amhara agenda is not a ''Boogie Man'', but a pervasive mental illness that has, for the last 150 years wrecked the region into poverty and chaos, including this recent war of its, ala abiy and his hypnotized house gallas parading into a death march for amhara expansion agenda over wolkait!

The proposal is not only a way out from this amhara mental illness agenda. Rather, it is more of a way into a permanent peace and regional development.

Ethiopia and the amhara agenda cant be anything else but a regional destabilizing force! Destabilization is in its birth defect. Amhara agenda and destabilization are synonymous and causes for the chaos in Eritrea, Somalia and Sudan! The 30 years of relative regional peace went into the dust bin the minute they hijacked the house galla into their agenda ala abiy ahmed!

A new regional approach is needs the backing of the global order as proposed here on ER.viewtopic.php?f=2&t=270458

Amhara is a boogyman to People Who suffers from inferior complex.

[YAY]

Dear Sarcasm: "There is no military solution to what...[problem]" are they/you, saying?

I would like to share with you what Brendan Gallagher wrote in October 13, 2015:

YES, SOMETIMES THERE ARE MILITARY SOLUTIONS TO POLITICAL PROBLEMS
[....]
Today we occasionally hear similar logic that there is no military solution to a crisis (for example, against the self-proclaimed Islamic State) because it won’t resolve underlying sectarian grievances and political problems. This logic can be at least partially accurate. Are there complex political problems in many recent internal conflicts, such as those in Syria, Iraq, Libya, or elsewhere? Absolutely. Does this mean Western military intervention would be self-defeating? Oftentimes yes, but not necessarily in every case.

Practically every conflict — whether internal or interstate — has underlying political issues that helped spark the violence. After all, war is “merely the continuation of policy by other means,” as the Prussian sage [i.e. Carl von Clausewitz] observed. Such a political problem (or often, a convergence of problems) may involve disputes over borders, resources, treatment of ethnic groups, disparities in wealth or status, national policies, desires for greater autonomy, dreams of independence, or many other issues.

To be sure, calling attention to these underlying issues is a useful reminder about their salience to a conflict and is undoubtedly worth frequent re-emphasis so as not to lose sight of them. However this alone does not tell us if military force would be appropriate. That should derive from an assessment of whether military force can (or should) contribute to the desired political end state, as part of a broad strategy of tools — economic, diplomatic, military, and beyond. [....]

https://warontherocks.com/2015/10/yes-s ... -problems/

What is happening in Tigraiy? I gather that now TPLF controls Tigraiy (i.e. the alleged "invading forces" as TPLF calls them, are out of Tigraiy). TPLF did not declare a ceasefire and did not focus at solving alleged problems in Tigraiy while Etiyopiya's Federal Government had declared a unilateral ceasefire and was withdrawing its forces from the Tigraiy Region. Instead of declaring a (unilateral or unconditional) ceasefire and take care of its supposed constituents (the people of Tigraiy), the TPLF is either threatening or engaged in an aggressive war against its neighbors, particularly the Afar and AmHara regions. Do you understand what the two authorities are trying to say? I don't exactly, but I suspect that the two may be broadly implying that all sides in the TPLF's subversive war should stop fighting because the problems cannot be solved militarily.

They are right to an extent and they are dishonest to a larger extent. Why did the USA and the EU send troops to Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, etc. if a military solution is not necessary to solve certain problems? Why do nations have defense forces if using the military cannot solve any problems? Why is the USA running bombing missions against AlShabab in Somalia and they think it is OK? Why don't they condemn an armed group that the Etiyopiyan Federal Government condemned as a terrorist and they expect others to agree with them if they determine a group is a terrorist? Why does the UN send armed troops to keep peace in Peace Missions throughout the world, if a military force has no useful purpose? Their practices speak for themselves that military solutions are sometimes necessary, until a point where using military power becomes valueless or counter-productive.

I agree with Brendan Gallagher's argument because it is reasonable. I also think that, for the long-term, it would be the best policy for Etiyopiya to ultimately aim to seek peaceful political solutions (legal, electoral, referendum, dialogue or compromises on constitutionally vague issues, etc.) to solve the political problems regarding Tigraiy, and allow all citizens to cooperate and grow together in peace. I firmly believe that such peaceful political solutions could not be achieved when the TPLF leadership is trying to overthrow the Etiyopiyan Federal State through military violence. I believe it is perfectly reasonable and appropriate for the Federal Government and the Etiyopiyan people to confront such subversive forces in kind and compel them to surrender and face justice or die fighting. That is the customary rule followed by all States in the current international system. The law of the land must be enforced by the military might of the national State, or its representative. One could take fighting a war as another form of negotiation within the laws of nature (i.e. trying to make your adversary agree to your values or perish trying to do the same to you). How about you?

There is no military solution to what is happening in #Tigray. Saving lives and prevent further suffering should be the priority for all.

Ethiopia cannot afford further destabilisation

Josep Borrell Fontelles
High Representative of the EU for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy/Vice-President of

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What is happening in Tigraiy? I gather that now TPLF controls Tigraiy (i.e. the alleged "invading forces" as TPLF calls them, are out of Tigraiy). TPLF did not declare a ceasefire and did not focus at solving alleged problems in Tigraiy while Etiyopiya's Federal Government had declared a unilateral ceasefire and was withdrawing its forces from the Tigraiy Region.

TPLF does not control the whole of Tigray at the moment. It controls the Central and East Tigray only. Amhara region has illegally incorporated Western Tigray in violation of the Ethiopian Constitution. It has displaced the residents of Western Tigray and taken their farming lands. The residents are currently staying in 153 schools in Central Tigray. Therefore, TDF is fighting to ensure the respect of Tigray's territorial integrity as per Ethiopian Constitution; and to return the displaced residents of Western Tigray to their homes once it has secured the territories.

I agree with Brendan Gallagher's argument because it is reasonable. I also think that, for the long-term, it would be the best policy for Etiyopiya to ultimately aim to seek peaceful political solutions (legal, electoral, referendum, dialogue or compromises on constitutionally vague issues, etc.) to solve the political problems regarding Tigraiy, and allow all citizens to cooperate and grow together in peace. I firmly believe that such peaceful political solutions could not be achieved when the TPLF leadership is trying to overthrow the Etiyopiyan Federal State through military violence.

TPLF is not trying to overthrow the Ethiopian government. It is fighting to regain the territories annexed by Amhara region and to pressure the federal government into negotiation table and end the blockade on Tigray. When the federal government agrees to resolve the problem by negotiations, the war will end basically.

When many people say this problem can not be resolved by war, they mean that both parties have reached stalemate and there cannot be a winner. If negotiation had started lets say in April, they would have come to an agreement by now. Imagine the lives wasted over the past four month!

[Sabur]

Exactly !!!

After a month of silence, the white imperialists are suddenly issuing statements when it became clear to them that the demise of their TPLF stooges is now eminent. The Ethiopian government should tell these bustards to [deleted] themselves!

[YAY]

Dear Sarcasm: Let disputes be sorted out based on the laws of Etiyopiya

The so-called "Western Tigray" has been a disputed territory from the 1980s. The method the territory expanding west of the Tekkezze River to the Sudan border did not satisfy the desires and consent of the non-Tigrayawian population there. So let that disputed "ethnic territory" be determined by law. Lack of Tigraiy's control of that disputed land should not have prevented the TPLF from taking care of its people in Tigraiy proper, if it wanted to. But TPLF failed to make taking care of its people (i.e. to serve the people) as its core purpose of existence.

Be that as it may, the fact that the AmHara are controlling the disputed territory (keeping it in their possession until that territory ownership is determined by law) is a consequence of the war TPLF started against and to destroy the national Federal Army, the Office of Prime Minister, the House of the People's Representatives, the House of the Federation, the National Elections Board, etc. It seems to me that TPLF's claim of the disputed territory based on the Federal Constitution is contradictory to its actions: How could it claim the rights the Constitutions bestows to peaceful members of the Federation while TPLF-led Tigraiy was militarily destroying the same Federation? It has forfeited its rights, and cannot make forfeited rights as a basis of claiming any territory the Constitution might have offered it, if it did. The Federal Government still recognizes Tigraiy as a part of Etiyopiya, a Kellil that does not have legitimately elected regional government.

I did not rush to conclude that TPLF was trying to destroy the Federal Government out of nothing but by looking at the Etiyopiyan laws. Any one can refer to the Proclamation No.414/2004: THE CRIMINAL CODE OF THE FEDERAL DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF ETHIOPIA. The following Articles of the Code of Law state as follows:

CHAPTER I: CRIMES AGAINST THE NATIONAL STATE
Section I.- Crimes against The Constitutional Order and the Internal Security of the State
Sub-section I. - Crimes Against the Constitution or the State
Article 238.- Outrages against the Constitution or the Constitutional Order.
(1) Whoever, intentionally, by violence, threats, conspiracy or any other unlawful means:
(a) overthrows, modifies or suspends the Federal or State Constitution; or
(b) overthrows or changes the order established by the Federal or State Constitution,is punishable with rigorous imprisonment from three years to twenty-five years.
(2) Where the crime has entailed serious crises against public security or life, the punishment shall be life imprisonment or
death.
Article 239.- Obstruction of the exercise of Constitutional Powers.
Whoever, by violence, threats or any other unlawful means, restrains or prevents any official or body constituted by the
Federal or State Constitution from exercising their powers or forces them to give a decision, is punishable with rigorous
imprisonment not exceeding fifteen years.
Article 240.- Armed Rising or Civil War.
(1) Whoever intentionally:
(a) organizes or leads a revolt, mutiny or armed rebellion against any official or body constituted by a Constitution;
or
(b) raises civil war, by arming citizens or inhabitants or by inciting them to take up arms against one another,
is punishable with rigorous imprisonment from ten years to twenty-five years.
(2) Where the crime has entailed serious crises against public security or life, the punishment shall be life imprisonment or
death.
(3) Whoever of his own free will takes part in the movement mentioned in sub-article (1) of this Article is punishable with rigorous imprisonment from seven years to twenty years.
(4) Where it is proved that the organizer or participant has caused injury to life, liberty, person, health or property or has committed another crime, he shall in addition be liable under the relevant provision of the law.
Article 241.- Attack on the Political or Territorial Integrity of the State.
Whoever, by violence or any other unconstitutional means, directly or indirectly, commits an act designed to destroy the unity of the peoples, or to destroy the Federation, or to sever part of the territory or population from the Federation or the State, is punishable with rigorous imprisonment from ten years to twenty-five years, or, in cases of exceptional gravity, life imprisonment or death.

https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/ELE ... H70993.pdf

What is happening in Tigraiy? I gather that now TPLF controls Tigraiy (i.e. the alleged "invading forces" as TPLF calls them, are out of Tigraiy). TPLF did not declare a ceasefire and did not focus at solving alleged problems in Tigraiy while Etiyopiya's Federal Government had declared a unilateral ceasefire and was withdrawing its forces from the Tigraiy Region.

TPLF does not control the whole of Tigray at the moment. It controls the Central and East Tigray only. Amhara region has illegally incorporated Western Tigray in violation of the Ethiopian Constitution. It has displaced the residents of Western Tigray and taken their farming lands. The residents are currently staying in 153 schools in Central Tigray. Therefore, TDF is fighting to ensure the respect of Tigray's territorial integrity as per Ethiopian Constitution; and to return the displaced residents of Western Tigray to their homes once it has secured the territories.

I agree with Brendan Gallagher's argument because it is reasonable. I also think that, for the long-term, it would be the best policy for Etiyopiya to ultimately aim to seek peaceful political solutions (legal, electoral, referendum, dialogue or compromises on constitutionally vague issues, etc.) to solve the political problems regarding Tigraiy, and allow all citizens to cooperate and grow together in peace. I firmly believe that such peaceful political solutions could not be achieved when the TPLF leadership is trying to overthrow the Etiyopiyan Federal State through military violence.

TPLF is not trying to overthrow the Ethiopian government. It is fighting to regain the territories annexed by Amhara region and to pressure the federal government into negotiation table and end the blockade on Tigray. When the federal government agrees to resolve the problem by negotiations, the war will end basically.

When many people say this problem can not be resolved by war, they mean that both parties have reached stalemate and there cannot be a winner. If negotiation had started lets say in April, they would have come to an agreement by now. Imagine the lives wasted over the past four month!