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[AbebeB]

የደቡብ አትጵያ ነጻ መንግስታትን ዝርዝርና ወልቃይት የትግራይ መሆኑዋንና አንድ ከአማራ ደብተራ ጸሀፍት ነጻ የሆነና በ1854 GC የታተመ መጽፍ ይነግረናል፡፡

የአማራ ውሸትና ውርደት መቼም ተቆጥሮ አያልቅም እኮ፡፡

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[mitmitaye]

Re: የደቡብ አትጵያ ነጻ መንግስታትን ዝርዝርና ወልቃይት የትግራይ መሆኑዋንና አንድ ከአማራ ደብተራ ጸሀፍት ነጻ የሆነና በ1854 GC የታተመ መጽፍ ይነግረናል፡፡ ንግስታትን ዝርዝርና ወልቃይት የትግራይ መሆኑዋንና አንድ ከአማራ ደብተራ ጸሀፍት ነጻ የሆነና በ1854 GC የታተመ መጽፍ ይነግረናል፡፡

Thank you for bringing an evidence regarding Walaka aka Welega as part of Amhara territory as for Wolkayt, we have an eye witness account/record, from a FERENJ as well, in 15th century Wolkayt belonged to Gondar

[AbebeB]

Re: የደቡብ አትጵያ ነጻ መንግስታትን ዝርዝርና ወልቃይት የትግራይ መሆኑዋንና አንድ ከአማራ ደብተራ ጸሀፍት ነጻ የሆነና በ1854 GC የታተመ መጽፍ ይነግረናል፡፡ ንግስታትን ዝርዝርና ወልቃይት የትግራይ መሆኑዋንና አንድ ከአማራ ደብተራ ጸሀፍት ነጻ የሆነና በ1854 GC የታተመ መጽፍ ይነግረናል፡፡

Thank you for bringing an evidence regarding Walaka aka Welega as part of Amhara territory as for Wolkayt, we have an eye witness account/record, from a FERENJ as well, in 15th century Wolkayt belonged to Gondar

mitmitaye,
You are not even as hot as ginger.
There is no connection between Walaka and Welega. Just to remind your ignorance.

[AbebeB]

[Abere]

Where was Emperor Tewodros (1855 -1868) the King of Ethiopia who ruled Humera, Welqait , Raya and Lasta? My question is was there any tribe named Tigre in the theological and historical documents of Ethiopia?

[AbebeB]

Where was Emperor Tewodros (1855 -1868) the King of Ethiopia who ruled Humera, Welqait , Raya and Lasta? My question is was there any tribe named Tigre in the theological and historical documents of Ethiopia?

Abere,
Here is how I address your question:
Where was Emperor Tewodros (1855 -1868) the King of Ethiopia who ruled Humera, Welqait , Raya and Lasta? The precise answer to this question is: The son of Kimant, Emperor Tewodros is dead, being killed by the Wallo dynasty Oromo queen Mestawet.
My question is was there any tribe named Tigre in the theological and historical documents of Ethiopia? This is good question but that is why we Oromos always expose that Amhara debteras and clergies are unaware of writing history. I mean, you can’t find the real history of the horn the way you may have been deceived by reading their lore in the metet book. In this case, I am dealing with presumption that lead you to this question.

[Abere]

AbebeB,

Why are you always making yourself dumb? In part the Ferenj writers depend on the encyclopedia of the Debteras ( The enlightenment Scholars/ሊቅ). They are not writing book of revelation/ራዕይ/. These Ferneji writers, makes dozens of mistakes and provide inconsistent or invalid accounts for a million reasons. One of the major one is wrong translation of the original source document of the Debteras(Scholars/ሊቅ). Thus, always the Ferenji's version is not necessarily accurate and does not have legal and historical validity. The ordinary example is the Wuchale Treaty , Amharic vs Italian version. One can see how much mess could be there in historical document translation & interpretation if a simple legal treaty created the Adowa tectonics.
Well, Emperor Tewodros is an Amhara King who ruled all those lands mentioned above, but you can even call him from he was from Egypt. If the history of Ethiopia is unknown, it would be difficult for other ancient countries to know their onw history including the West. Don't fool yourself our history goes back 7000 years.

Where was Emperor Tewodros (1855 -1868) the King of Ethiopia who ruled Humera, Welqait , Raya and Lasta? My question is was there any tribe named Tigre in the theological and historical documents of Ethiopia?

Abere,
Here is how I address your question:
Where was Emperor Tewodros (1855 -1868) the King of Ethiopia who ruled Humera, Welqait , Raya and Lasta? The precise answer to this question is: The son of Kimant, Emperor Tewodros is dead, being killed by the Wallo dynasty Oromo queen Mestawet.
My question is was there any tribe named Tigre in the theological and historical documents of Ethiopia? This is good question but that is why we Oromos always expose that Amhara debteras and clergies are unaware of writing history. I mean, you can’t find the real history of the horn the way you may have been deceived by reading their lore in the metet book. In this case, I am dealing with presumption that lead you to this question.

[Dawi]

በቃ አንተ የከብት እረኞች በአፈታሪክ ካላስተላለፉት አይዋጥልህም፣

የ"ኦሮሞ ኔሽን" የ"ትግራይ ኔሽን" እያልክ የሃያ ሰባት ዓመት አፈ ታሪክ ይዘህ ፎረሙ ላይ እንደ አርህ በድንጋይ እየለጠፍክ ስታቆሽሽ ትውላለህ፣ ፋንድያ!

ትግሬዎች ፊደል ያነባሉ፣ ግን በትግርኛ በዚያን ጊዜ ታሪክ አይፃፍም፣ አማርኛ የሚያነቡት አብዛኞቹ የትግራይ ሊሕቃን ውሸታሞች ስለሆኑ የተመዘገበ ታሪክ ይክዳሉ፣

እንዳንተው የውሸት የእረኞች አፈታሪክ ይመርጣሉ።

የደቡብ አትጵያ ነጻ መንግስታትን ዝርዝርና ወልቃይት የትግራይ መሆኑዋንና አንድ ከአማራ ደብተራ ጸሀፍት ነጻ የሆነና በ1854 GC የታተመ መጽፍ ይነግረናል፡፡

የአማራ ውሸትና ውርደት መቼም ተቆጥሮ አያልቅም እኮ፡፡

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These ENDF you're showing are drop in the bucket compared to what is to come towards you soon!

Did they say 17,000 Amhara Militia in Sawa training center? Your friend Yared Tibebu predicts a lot higher maybe on their way. Stay put!

Check the following CLIP of how many maybe coming towards you!

[Selam/]

Kichamo Komalo - Why do you quote an author who records two completely contradictory information: Tekeze is the natural boundary of Amhara & Tigre (Page #74) and yet he mistakenly lists Wolkayit under Tigray? Do you also agree with his description of Tigreans & Amhara? Amharas are noblemen like while Tigre is a bloodthirsty, corrupt & perfidious race? See page #75. KIFFU!

የደቡብ አትጵያ ነጻ መንግስታትን ዝርዝርና ወልቃይት የትግራይ መሆኑዋንና አንድ ከአማራ ደብተራ ጸሀፍት ነጻ የሆነና በ1854 GC የታተመ መጽፍ ይነግረናል፡፡

የአማራ ውሸትና ውርደት መቼም ተቆጥሮ አያልቅም እኮ፡፡

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[YAY]

Dear AbebeB: Don't carelessly rush into a wrong conclusion

The first edition of Rev. Michael Russell's book, I believe, was published in 1800, the second edition in 1833, and the most recent edition was published in 2019. So the author is generally describing the territorial situations of the time period around 1800. That was during the Zemene Mesafint, in which stronger warlords were the king-makers and practical rulers of Abyssinia. Two of the powerful practical rulers of the "empire" were rulers of Tigray or Tigre' ---i.e. Ras Michael Suhul(1768-1784) and Ras Walde Sellasie (1790-1816). These two did whatever they wanted to.

You displayed page 79 of the book as a basis of your conclusion that ወልቃይት የትግራይ መሆኑዋን [Welqayit was Tigray's]. Did you ever ask yourself why the number 1 name of territory on the list under Tigre' was Tigre' Proper and what that means? That is the first critical question to answer. Tigre' Proper means the original territorial jurisdiction of political Tigre' that was also recognized as such by the sovereign and their neighboring communities. That means that the other named territories were either assigned by the sovereign to be temporarily administered by or were militarily conquered by the contemporary Tigre' ruler. In short, those territories, other than Tigre' Proper, were not originally Tigray's but rather possessed by Tigre' through military conquest.

The second relevant information you did not consider is stated on the second paragraph of page 74 of the book. That information is very specific and important because it defines the regular historical boundary between Tigre' Proper and AmHara Proper. Read it again. It says that,

The high range of the Samen hills, stretching from Waldubba to the south of Lasta, to-gether with the line of the Tacazze, which flows in a north-easterly course along its base, sufficiently point out the natural boundary between Tigre and Amhara.

https://archive.org/details/nubiaabyssi ... 4/mode/1up

[AbebeB]

Dear AbebeB: Don't carelessly rush into a wrong conclusion

The first edition of Rev. Michael Russell's book, I believe, was published in 1800, the second edition in 1833, and the most recent edition was published in 2019. So the author is generally describing the territorial situations of the time period around 1800. That was during the Zemene Mesafint, in which stronger warlords were the king-makers and practical rulers of Abyssinia. Two of the powerful practical rulers of the "empire" were rulers of Tigray or Tigre' ---i.e. Ras Michael Suhul(1768-1784) and Ras Walde Sellasie (1790-1816). These two did whatever they wanted to.

You displayed page 79 of the book as a basis of your conclusion that ወልቃይት የትግራይ መሆኑዋን [Welqayit was Tigray's]. Did you ever ask yourself why the number 1 name of territory on the list under Tigre' was Tigre' Proper and what that means? That is the first critical question to answer. Tigre' Proper means the original territorial jurisdiction of political Tigre' that was also recognized as such by the sovereign and their neighboring communities. That means that the other named territories were either assigned by the sovereign to be temporarily administered by or were militarily conquered by the contemporary Tigre' ruler. In short, those territories, other than Tigre' Proper, were not originally Tigray's but rather possessed by Tigre' through military conquest.

The second relevant information you did not consider is stated on the second paragraph of page 74 of the book. That information is very specific and important because it defines the regular historical boundary between Tigre' Proper and AmHara Proper. Read it again. It says that,

The high range of the Samen hills, stretching from Waldubba to the south of Lasta, to-gether with the line of the Tacazze, which flows in a north-easterly course along its base, sufficiently point out the natural boundary between Tigre and Amhara.

https://archive.org/details/nubiaabyssi ... 4/mode/1up

YAY,
Better to argue with people like you, the one a bit out of the Amhara course of insult for lack of idea.
I never gave hasty conclusion. There is little, if any, from this I may gain as nation. My purpose is to find fact. Now back to the basics.

Rule of the game:

• Extrapolation is prohibited

• Do not expect me to rephrase your introduced concept. scientific approach encourages writing with plain text.

According to these rules, I am at your last paragraph, where you quoted from the book.
Is there any claim in my post against that statement? Or is there any boundary dispute between Amhara and Tigraway as related to that statement? What is your problem in that regard?

[YAY]

Dear AbebeB: Strictly speaking: no extrapolation?
If you are not extrapolating or reasoning out by relating pieces of information provided in the book, how did you conclude then that ወልቃይት የትግራይ መሆኑዋን [Welqayit is Tigray's? Where did the book say that statement?

Dear AbebeB: Don't carelessly rush into a wrong conclusion

The first edition of Rev. Michael Russell's book, I believe, was published in 1800, the second edition in 1833, and the most recent edition was published in 2019. So the author is generally describing the territorial situations of the time period around 1800. That was during the Zemene Mesafint, in which stronger warlords were the king-makers and practical rulers of Abyssinia. Two of the powerful practical rulers of the "empire" were rulers of Tigray or Tigre' ---i.e. Ras Michael Suhul(1768-1784) and Ras Walde Sellasie (1790-1816). These two did whatever they wanted to.

You displayed page 79 of the book as a basis of your conclusion that ወልቃይት የትግራይ መሆኑዋን [Welqayit was Tigray's]. Did you ever ask yourself why the number 1 name of territory on the list under Tigre' was Tigre' Proper and what that means? That is the first critical question to answer. Tigre' Proper means the original territorial jurisdiction of political Tigre' that was also recognized as such by the sovereign and their neighboring communities. That means that the other named territories were either assigned by the sovereign to be temporarily administered by or were militarily conquered by the contemporary Tigre' ruler. In short, those territories, other than Tigre' Proper, were not originally Tigray's but rather possessed by Tigre' through military conquest.

The second relevant information you did not consider is stated on the second paragraph of page 74 of the book. That information is very specific and important because it defines the regular historical boundary between Tigre' Proper and AmHara Proper. Read it again. It says that,

The high range of the Samen hills, stretching from Waldubba to the south of Lasta, to-gether with the line of the Tacazze, which flows in a north-easterly course along its base, sufficiently point out the natural boundary between Tigre and Amhara.

https://archive.org/details/nubiaabyssi ... 4/mode/1up

YAY,
Better to argue with people like you, the one a bit out of the Amhara course of insult for lack of idea.
I never gave hasty conclusion. There is little, if any, from this I may gain as nation. My purpose is to find fact. Now back to the basics.

Rule of the game:

• Extrapolation is prohibited

• Do not expect me to rephrase your introduced concept. scientific approach encourages writing with plain text.

According to these rules, I am at your last paragraph, where you quoted from the book.
Is there any claim in my post against that statement? Or is there any boundary dispute between Amhara and Tigraway as related to that statement? What is your problem in that regard?