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Re: ኢትዮጵያን ጋላ በማድረግ እና ጋላን እስላም በማድረግ መሃል ያለው ትንቅንቅ (አማራ፣ ደቡብ፣ ትግሬ፣ ሱማሌ፣ አፋር፣ ቢንሻንጉል አስቸኳይ ህብረት ይፈልጋሉ)

Post by TGAA » 09 Aug 2020, 18:09

DefendTheTruth wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 16:17
TGAA wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 13:37
DefendTheTruth wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 12:16
TGAA wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 09:39
The jigsaw puzzle has been solved. I have to admit that you have been able to see further down than most. Abiy gave shelter, couched Takele Uma and shemeles how install a stealth Oromffia agenda which unraveled itself in the form of genocid, the trifling of the tragedy there after by the same
Actors. However, the leaked shemeles speech has spilled all the beans. The latest Tekale Umas proposal to Audit Addis Ababa's and give the land back to farmers, shemeles statement that creating four federal seat gradually swallow Addis Ababa all has Abiy's stealthy touch. The difference between the radicals and the Abiy's stealthy move is the speed in which they want to establish complete dominance.Abiy's is more deadly than the radicals.
What is wrong with giving back something to its owners? Why were the rightful owners dispossessed in the first place before the giving back was made necessary?

Just answer these two questions and then I will also be able to understand why "Abiy is more deadly than the radicals"?
DTT -- There is nothing wrong with giving something back to its owner. The question is how justice is going to be served to dispossess and those who have been lured into investing by the government ? The ODP authorities who were involved mainly in the process of dispossessing the innocent farmers, who are still in power having benefitted handsomely from their schems. The people who are invited to invest on those plots of lands have paid what they were asked to pay. A lot of their savings have gone to pay the same corrupt people and the middle man beliving it was a legit investment, sanctioned by the government. Thus, they were victims as well. This is where the justice system should suppose to come in . All the victioms of this rotton system need to be compansated on way or another, and both groups have to some out of this somehow sutisfied with the outcome. What Takele Uma is itching to do instead is to give his own" justice " we know what that Justice going to look like ? Special interest . Lema's Demography change Plan comes to mind, and Shemele's grand Scheme has just been made public. To creat 4 federal government centers so that the claim to Addis Ababa as the Ethiopia capital receded facilitating Grand social engineering . All this going to be done in an underhanded way, why transparency when the means is there to serve the end. There are those who say that what shimeless said was just slip of the tangue, no it is not . You can not have a slip of the tangue so consistantly from all directions. Some sinster plot is afoot .
You wrote before "... Tekale Umas proposal to Audit Addis Ababa's and give the land back to farmers" and now you are contradicting yourself and suggesting that he is going to disappropriate the land from the "investors". But why didn't you say that before, if you have already such an insider information of a plan to disappropriate the land from the new "owners"?

But do you even guess why you run into such an impasse so fast in such a simple thing?

With regard to Obbo Shimales Abdissa's comment I have already made my own comment and like I said before a pile of chaff remains what it is, just chaff without any grain in it, simply because the chaff is piled up.
Is it a secrate to you what has happened to the people who legimatly paid thier dues for years to own condomunium, and don't you know after being told by Tekele Umato take their keys with a big fanfair what happened to them? After those people went to court , Takle Umas's city adminstration reported those condomunim went up into thin air, after first reporting to the court 2500 codomunims were keept under the cities control while back. Are you going to deny this indviduals didn't invested on the property they supposedly to own ? So with a trackrecord of this kind of shaniningon are you saying Takle Umas has to be trusted no matter what?. My point is unelected offical even an elected one should not take a decision that affects the lives of many familes. Let the legal system despense justice, poltisians with a political agenda are not equiped to deal with this kind of issue. And Takele Uman is not an exception by any strach of imagnation .

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Re: ኢትዮጵያን ጋላ በማድረግ እና ጋላን እስላም በማድረግ መሃል ያለው ትንቅንቅ

Post by tlel » 09 Aug 2020, 18:27

Guest1 wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 01:40
የሃማኖት ልዩነት ተሰማምተው ኣገር መመስረት አያስችላቸውም እንደ የዩጎዝላቪያ ሰርብና ክሮኤዢያ ይጨራረሳሉ ኣይነት የሚያሳምን ቢመስልም ዋናው መገንጠል የማይሳካበት ወይም ኣሳማኝ የማይሆንበት ምክ ንያት ትልቋን ኢትዩ ትተው ትንሽ ኢትዮ መፍጠር ኣለማወቅ ስለሚሆን ነው። ችግሩ የሃይማኖት ሳይሆን መገንጠል ኪሳራ እንጂ ትርፍ እንደሌለው ስለሚያውቁ ነው። ኢትዮጵያን ሙስሊም ለማድረግ፤ ሁሉንም ኦሮሞ ለማድረግ፤ እና ለመገንጠል? ከማን? ተዘበራረቀ። አንተ ያልታየህ ወይም መቀበል ያልቻልከው የኦሮሞ ፓለቲከኞች መገንጠል እንደማይጠቅም በደንብ ተረድተዋል። የመገንጠል ጥያቄ የለም። ስድብ ለራስህም ኣይጠቅምህም። ተወው።

ችግሩ መገንጠል ካልፈለጉ ከሁሉም ህዝቦች ጋር ኣንድነት ፈጥረው ሰላም ማምጣት ይኖርባቸዋል። ሰላምና እኩል በማታስተናግድ እኩል እድል ካልተሰጠ በማበላለጥ ጥቂት ሃብታሞች መፍጠር ይቻላል ሰላም ግን ኣይመጣም። የኦሮሞ ህዝብ መንግስታችን ብሎ ባያምጽ እንኳን ሶማሊ ክልል፤ አማራ ክልልና ደቡቦች ኣድሎ ኣንቀበልም ይላሉ። ኣንድነት ይደፈርሳል። ኣዲስ ሸገርን ማሳመር ከንቱ ገንዘብ ማባከን ይሆናል (ህዝብን አንድ ለማድረግ ቢባክን ጥሩ ነበር) የዛሬው ቦታ ወይም የከፋ ወደሆነው እንመለሳለን። ኣዙሪት ውስጥ መግባት ነው። በነገራችን ላይ ሚኒሊክ ‘ከአፈር’ ነው የተነሳው ያሉበት ምክንያት ምን ነበር? እንደሚመስለኝ ኢትዮ ያኔ የነበራት እድገት ሸዋን ያገለለ ስለነበር ነው። ዲሞክራሲን ለማምጣት (ሁሉም ሃብታም ለመሆን እንዲችል እኩል እድል የሚሰጥ ስርኣት) ማምጣት አቅቶን መካሪም ኣጥተን ስድብ መሳሪያ ኣርገን ፓለቲካው ይቀጥላል። ድክመቱ የሁሉም ነው!!!!!!!!
በጣም ትልቅ ኣስተያየት ነው ያለህ ብራቮ

ኣጀንዳው ስለ ኦሮሚያ ጉዳይም ኣይናችንን ከ ኣባይ ወንዝ እንድናነሳነው። ኣንዳንድ እዚህ ያሉት ተነስ ተንስ ሲሉ እሰማለሁ ለብዙ ኣመት ኢቶዽያዊ ነን ያሚሉ እንደነ ኣበረና ሌክሾር ቲጂኤኤ ይገርማል፣ ተነስ ሲሉ ኣማራውን ህዋሃት ላይ ለዚህ ጦሰኛ የሆነው ሲሉ ኣልሰማሁም። እንደውም የኢትዮዽያ ዋና ቁስል የጀመረው በህዋሃት ኣጠገባቸው ባለው ትግራይ ውስጥ ነው። ህዋሃት ከዛ ነው እልልልልል ተብሎ የገባው። ለምን ህዋሃትን ለማውደም ኣይሞከርም ኣህያውን ፈርቶ ዳውላውን ማለት ይህ ነው። መሬትን በተመለከተ፤ እውነታው ይህ ነው፣ ወያኔ ሲገባ ከ ኣዲዲስ ኣበባ ዙርያ ያሉት ገበሬዎች በሙሉ ተፈንቅለው ነበር። እነዚህ የተፈናቀሉት ህዝብ ተመልሰው መርሬታቸውን መውሰድ ኣለባቸው። በጉጂ ዞንም እንደዚሁ የተፈናቀሉት ማናቸው እረሳሁት እንደዚሁ፣ በ ሶማሌም እንደዚሁ። ለኣንዱ እየጮሁ ለሌላው ዝም ማለት ኣልሸሹም ዞር ኣሉ ነው፣ የህዋሃት የ ዘርና ኣድሎ እራሳችን አየሰራነው ነው ማለት ነው። የኦሮሞ ማህበረሰ ቦታውን እያስወደሙ ነው ያሉት፣ እልቅ እንደውም እነ ሽመልስ ጠላት ነው የሚመስሉኝ ኦሮሞ ቦታውን በኢኮኖሚ በተለያየ መገንባት ኣሁን ነው ግን የማየው፣ ይውጭ ተላላኪ ሃይሎች እየፈነጩበት ነው።
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Re: ኢትዮጵያን ጋላ በማድረግ እና ጋላን እስላም በማድረግ መሃል ያለው ትንቅንቅ (አማራ፣ ደቡብ፣ ትግሬ፣ ሱማሌ፣ አፋር፣ ቢንሻንጉል አስቸኳይ ህብረት ይፈልጋሉ)

Post by Horus » 09 Aug 2020, 18:27

ሌክሾር፤
በኦሮሞ በተካሄደው የዘር ማጥፋት በጣም መበሳጨትህ ይሰማኛል። ሆኖ ትግል፣ ጦርነትና ፍልሚያ ሲከርና ሲመሳቀል የሚፈለገው ይበልጥ መጠጠር እና እንደ በረዶ በቀዘቀዘ ልብ መራመድ ነው። አንተ የታሰበበት አላማና እስትራተጂ ካለው ሼር ልታደገው ትችላለህ ። መጀመሪያ ግን የችግሩና የጭፍጨፋው መንነትና መሰረት መገንዝብ የመፍትሄው ሃ ሁ
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የዘር እልቂት ወይም ጄኖሳይድ መነሻውና መብቀያው ለምለም አፈር የጎሳ ሰርዓት ነው፤ እነሱም ኢትዮጵያን በጎሳ ክልሎች መከፋፈል፣ የዎያኔን የዘር ሕገ መንግስት እንደ ቁም ነገር ማየት፣ ፓርቲዎን በዘር ማቋቋም፣ ብሎም ባንድ የዘር ፓርቲ (በፊት የትግሬ፣ አሁን የኦሮሞ ዘር) ቁጥጥር ስር ያለ መንግስት መንግስት ነው ብሎ መቀበል ናቸው ። እኔ እነዚህን ሁሉ ለ30 አመት ተቃውሜያለሁ ፣ ይህም እልቂት እንደ ሚመጣ ተናግሬያለሁ ። አንተ አሁንም ስለ ክልልና ልዩ ዞነ ነው የምታወራው ።

እውነት አንተ ከገዳዮቹ ወኝ ካልሆንክ መጀመሪያ የላይዮችሁን የዘር ሰርዓቶችን አምርረህ ተቃወም። ያኔ ነው የዘር አጥፊዎቹን መቆሚያ የሚናደው ። ማንም ሰው የጎሳ ሲስተም ሳይቃወም የዘር ጭፍጨፋ ልቃወም ቢል ዋሾ ነው የሚሆነው።

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Re: ኢትዮጵያን ጋላ በማድረግ እና ጋላን እስላም በማድረግ መሃል ያለው ትንቅንቅ (አማራ፣ ደቡብ፣ ትግሬ፣ ሱማሌ፣ አፋር፣ ቢንሻንጉል አስቸኳይ ህብረት ይፈልጋሉ)

Post by Wedi » 09 Aug 2020, 18:56

ኢትዮጵያ ጋላ ከመሆኗ በፊት እንዴት እንዳጋት የሚለው ነው ዋናው ጥቅያቄ መነሳት ያለበት፡፡ ስለ ጋላ አረመኔት መፅሃፍት አንብበብ ብቻ ሳይሆን ዛሬ ደረስ በአይናች እናየነው ያለውና ጋሎች በንፁሃን ዜጎች ላይ እያደረጉ ያለው ማረድ፣ አማቃጠል እና መግደል በከበቂ መረጃ በላይ ነው፡፡

ይህን ዘረኛ ከውሃ የመጣ ፀረ ሰው እና ፀረ ሲቪላይዜሽን የሆነን ጋላ እንዴት አንታገለው የሚለው ጉዳይ ላይ በዝግ መወያየት ያለብን ግዜ ላይ የደረስን ይመስለኛ፡፡
ጋላ ማለት አረምኔ ማለት ነው!!

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Re: ኢትዮጵያን ጋላ በማድረግ እና ጋላን እስላም በማድረግ መሃል ያለው ትንቅንቅ (አማራ፣ ደቡብ፣ ትግሬ፣ ሱማሌ፣ አፋር፣ ቢንሻንጉል አስቸኳይ ህብረት ይፈልጋሉ)

Post by TGAA » 09 Aug 2020, 19:00

DefendTheTruth wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 16:17
TGAA wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 13:37
DefendTheTruth wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 12:16
TGAA wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 09:39
The jigsaw puzzle has been solved. I have to admit that you have been able to see further down than most. Abiy gave shelter, couched Takele Uma and shemeles how install a stealth Oromffia agenda which unraveled itself in the form of genocid, the trifling of the tragedy there after by the same
Actors. However, the leaked shemeles speech has spilled all the beans. The latest Tekale Umas proposal to Audit Addis Ababa's and give the land back to farmers, shemeles statement that creating four federal seat gradually swallow Addis Ababa all has Abiy's stealthy touch. The difference between the radicals and the Abiy's stealthy move is the speed in which they want to establish complete dominance.Abiy's is more deadly than the radicals.
What is wrong with giving back something to its owners? Why were the rightful owners dispossessed in the first place before the giving back was made necessary?

Just answer these two questions and then I will also be able to understand why "Abiy is more deadly than the radicals"?
DTT -- There is nothing wrong with giving something back to its owner. The question is how justice is going to be served to dispossessed and those who have been lured into investing by the government ? The ODP authorities who were involved mainly in the process of dispossessing the innocent farmers, who are still in power having benefitted handsomely from their schems. The people who are invited to invest on those plots of lands have paid what they were asked to pay. A lot of their savings have gone to pay the same corrupt people and the middle man beliving it was a legit investment, sanctioned by the government. Thus, they were victims as well. This is where the justice system should suppose to come in . All the victioms of this rotton system need to be compansated on way or another, and both groups have to some out of this somehow sutisfied with the outcome. What Takele Uma is itching to do instead is to give his own" justice " we know what that Justice going to look like ? Special interest . Lema's Demography change Plan comes to mind, and Shemele's grand Scheme has just been made public. To creat 4 federal government centers so that the claim to Addis Ababa as the Ethiopia capital receded facilitating Grand social engineering . All this going to be done in an underhanded way, why transparency when the means is there to serve the end. There are those who say that what shimeless said was just slip of the tangue, no it is not . You can not have a slip of the tangue so consistantly from all directions. Some sinster plot is afoot .
You wrote before "... Tekale Umas proposal to Audit Addis Ababa's and give the land back to farmers" and now you are contradicting yourself and suggesting that he is going to disappropriate the land from the "investors". But why didn't you say that before, if you have already such an insider information of a plan to disappropriate the land from the new "owners"?

But do you even guess why you run into such an impasse so fast in such simple thing?

With regard to Obbo Shimales Abdissa's comment I have already made my own comment and like I said before a pile of chaff remains what it is, just a chaff without any grain in it, simply because the chaff is piled up.
The Head of any of the ethnic federal states not to represent the interests of those he/she is administering their affairs is a completely different thing" I really want you to listen to the speech in its entirety if you haven't done so yet. However, if you think that one ethnic federal state has to calculate how to disenfranchise, conduct social engineering is the way to promote one's ethnic interest we are in a quite different territory all together. If the Bahrda does the same thing, it wouldn't change the repugnancy nature of the plan.

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