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[pastlast]

I would like a debate with fellow forum users on Ethiopia's landlock status. Let me start by giving you an example, Mongolia. The country is landlocked and is between Russia and China. Its obvious that Mongolia will never have the power to overcome China nor Russia and therefore it's best to conclude that Mongolia isn't a nation landlocked by choice.

Is Ethiopia landlocked by choice?

Yes and here is why?


Ethiopia has the economic and manpower to take on either one of its neighbors.


1. Ethiopia can seek to annex northern ports of Berbera and Zeyla and take on Somaliland. Somaliland is a region with less than 3 million people and the Ethiopian army would likely have control over it within a year.


2. Djibouti - Ethiopian troops can invade Djibouti within hours without any knowledge of the Djiboutians.

3. Eritrea - Yes, the Eritreans fight to the death but the Ethiopians are 105 million with bigger economy. The Ethiopian government if it wanted to annex Eritrea would likely suffer mass causalities but so would the Eritreans.


The conclusion is that Ethiopia is landlocked by choice.


If Ethiopia wanted a sea it could declare war against Somaliland or Djibouti or Eritrea.

You want war with Eritrea..then you will be getting street battles in Addis Ababa and all of Tigray... No More War on Eritrean territory.

Your rapist dumbassss was offered Kallida island..uninhabitted even so the island literally in international waters neither Djbouti or Eritrea can conclusively prove sovereignty...go beg the US to allow you to annex that island but no you want a war with Eritreans well we will make sure the war happens in Ethiopia every keep facking with us and we will be worst than ever. I dont need Pfdj to start this we can do this now.

Take the peaceful legal route otherwise I will execute you personally in the Diaspora where you live.

[Fed_Up]

Agamieeew,
Stop embarrassing yourself.

blah blah blah

[tlel]

Intel,

I don't know why you pretend as you are part and parcel of tplf, as cadre perhaps that you know, tplf /shabia designed it that way. However, I agree with you, the continuous dwindling of Ethiopia is by themselves, here is why:
1. As Shabia/tplf controlled the central government, they were not stupid they prepared everything to come in even accompanying their friends Sudanese medicine men that were poisoning and killing Ethiopians. From Gonder to Central government, they were hoorayed and fed by the citizens little do they know the agenda they have against Ethiopia. The so called parliament group of eprps, ethnic fanatics were representatives like olf, debub (ayele chamisos, the other kembata guys, etc, mesfin w/mariam etc were all part of parliament who voted for eritrea to be independent, to create kilil based on ethnicity etc. ) when they came in the only opposition they faced where the heroes Ambo people they knew the tplf were not pro Ethiopians and fought to tooth and nail but they were subdued in the end. It was at this time that Ethiopians should have rose up as well!

2. as explained above, the minute eritrea got indpendence, kililization was formed based on ethnicity, the take over of welkaity, afar, and welo and nile is the reason to declare war against the Liberation Fronts, today, Ethiopia only has very few months before it breaks down even if it doesn't the violence against them will increase not reduce guaranteed until Nile is under the control of foreigners. No one can point fingers against the other, it doesn't matter where it should have started war but there should have been to oust once and for all. Today Sri Lanka is at peace if it didn't mobilize war against the Liberation Fronts to disintegrate their countries. Kudos Sri Lanka.

[pastlast]

I would like a debate with fellow forum users on Ethiopia's landlock status. Let me start by giving you an example, Mongolia. The country is landlocked and is between Russia and China. Its obvious that Mongolia will never have the power to overcome China nor Russia and therefore it's best to conclude that Mongolia isn't a nation landlocked by choice.

Is Ethiopia landlocked by choice?

Yes and here is why?


Ethiopia has the economic and manpower to take on either one of its neighbors.


1. Ethiopia can seek to annex northern ports of Berbera and Zeyla and take on Somaliland. Somaliland is a region with less than 3 million people and the Ethiopian army would likely have control over it within a year.


2. Djibouti - Ethiopian troops can invade Djibouti within hours without any knowledge of the Djiboutians.

3. Eritrea - Yes, the Eritreans fight to the death but the Ethiopians are 105 million with bigger economy. The Ethiopian government if it wanted to annex Eritrea would likely suffer mass causalities but so would the Eritreans.


The conclusion is that Ethiopia is landlocked by choice.


If Ethiopia wanted a sea it could declare war against Somaliland or Djibouti or Eritrea.

You want war with Eritrea..then you will be getting street battles in Addis Ababa and all of Tigray... No More War on Eritrean territory.

Your rapist dumbassss was offered Kallida island..uninhabitted even so the island literally in international waters neither Djbouti or Eritrea can conclusively prove sovereignty...go beg the US to allow you to annex that island but no you want a war with Eritreans well we will make sure the war happens in Ethiopia every keep facking with us and we will be worst than ever. I dont need Pfdj to start this we can do this now.

Take the peaceful legal route otherwise I will execute you personally in the Diaspora where you live.

You need to think logically Pastalast


If every Eritrean joins the fight, that means 6 million Eritreans. Ethiopia has 105 million population and can raise 10 million soldiers and overwhelm Eritrea if the Eritreans desire to fight to the last man. What I'm trying to tell you is that the Ethiopians can take back Eritrea through war but the Ethiopians chose to be peaceful and respect international law.



Nothing is stopping Ethiopians from taking back Eritrea.



1. Ethiopian economy is 102 Billion compared to Eritrean economy of 3 billion.
2. Ethiopia has bigger airforce if it wanted to bomb Massawa and Assab port to prevent the Eritreans from getting weapons.


The worst case scenario for Eritrea is fighting to the death.


I prefer to do this the peaceful way because let me insure you that hundreds of Ethiopians and millions of Eritreans will die for Ethiopians to liberate their sea. The Eritreans can prevent this by handing Nora Island and in return they will get back Badme.

Kallida island near Djbouti final offer or go fack yourself. Nora island is Eritrean. Badme is Eritrean. Noe read this carefully there is a 100% certainty thar civil war os going to happen between Tigrayans in the near future. Do you want that to happen? Then handover Badme to the UN. Then park your navy ships on Kallida island and claim them through the UN ... pfdj or djbouti could reject but the idea of war for Kallida wont happen.

[Aurorae]

Idiot,

Ethiopia does not have the legal mandate to crush a small country like Djibouti. BTW, You will be facing France, and that is not a gamble you like to take. The Dergue was scared shyyt of France when Djibouti attained its independence. Somali and Eritrea, Ethiopia would violate international treaty that is used as a basis for national sovereignty decisions. That was the reason Eritrea was allowed to hold referendum back in 1992. So, stop regurgitating something that you don't know about. Remember Sadam Husein's adventure in Kuwait.

[pastlast]

Both Eritrea and Ethiopia have been on the map since the Treaty of Wuchale...befor 1890..all of your claims about Assab and Massawa are complete bullschit lies. Assab was not a port befor 1885, assab was an Afari fishing village. The Italians turned Assab into a port so your claims that Assab is Ethiopian port is COMPLETELY BULLSCHIT LIE. The annexation of Eritrea for 30 years with a guerrilla war against is equal to the colonisation of Ethiopia by Italy for 5 years and the British colonisation of Ethiopia for 10 years afterward. So you have no rights to Assab Massawa or Eritrea at all.

Your Menelik signed and stated "Eritrea is not an Abyssinian ie Ethiopian territory the land is of Adals Bejas and Tigres. Ethiopia will not for foreign lands like Eritrea"

Intel,

I don't know why you pretend as you are part and parcel of tplf, as cadre perhaps that you know, tplf /shabia designed it that way. However, I agree with you, the continuous dwindling of Ethiopia is by themselves, here is why:
1. As Shabia/tplf controlled the central government, they were not stupid they prepared everything to come in even accompanying their friends Sudanese medicine men that were poisoning and killing Ethiopians. From Gonder to Central government, they were hoorayed and fed by the citizens little do they know the agenda they have against Ethiopia. The so called parliament group of eprps, ethnic fanatics were representatives like olf, debub (ayele chamisos, the other kembata guys, etc, mesfin w/mariam etc were all part of parliament who voted for eritrea to be independent, to create kilil based on ethnicity etc. ) when they came in the only opposition they faced where the heroes Ambo people they knew the tplf were not pro Ethiopians and fought to tooth and nail but they were subdued in the end. It was at this time that Ethiopians should have rose up as well!

2. as explained above, the minute eritrea got indpendence, kililization was formed based on ethnicity, the take over of welkaity, afar, and welo and nile is the reason to declare war against the Liberation Fronts, today, Ethiopia only has very few months before it breaks down even if it doesn't the violence against them will increase not reduce guaranteed until Nile is under the control of foreigners. No one can point fingers against the other, it doesn't matter where it should have started war but there should have been to oust once and for all. Today Sri Lanka is at peace if it didn't mobilize war against the Liberation Fronts to disintegrate their countries. Kudos Sri Lanka.

tiel

You make it seem that the Eritrean independence is the word of god. Its nothing more than a piece of paper with a map on it, the Ethiopians if they choose to can take it back. I don't think it will happen in the next 25 years but I envision myself that there will be a war between Eritrea and Ethiopia. The current peace deal is based on two men and not two nations.


It doesn't matter if they stay independent for 25 years or 100 years.


The UN will make noise and cry as usual but they won't do $hit. Remember how China annexed south China sea and Russia took Crimea and parts of Georgia.Ethiopia can easily create alliance with China and Russia when it comes to the UN to veto any bills against the annexation.

[tlel]

Intel,

I don't know why you pretend as you are part and parcel of tplf, as cadre perhaps that you know, tplf /shabia designed it that way. However, I agree with you, the continuous dwindling of Ethiopia is by themselves, here is why:
1. As Shabia/tplf controlled the central government, they were not stupid they prepared everything to come in even accompanying their friends Sudanese medicine men that were poisoning and killing Ethiopians. From Gonder to Central government, they were hoorayed and fed by the citizens little do they know the agenda they have against Ethiopia. The so called parliament group of eprps, ethnic fanatics were representatives like olf, debub (ayele chamisos, the other kembata guys, etc, mesfin w/mariam etc were all part of parliament who voted for eritrea to be independent, to create kilil based on ethnicity etc. ) when they came in the only opposition they faced where the heroes Ambo people they knew the tplf were not pro Ethiopians and fought to tooth and nail but they were subdued in the end. It was at this time that Ethiopians should have rose up as well!

2. as explained above, the minute eritrea got indpendence, kililization was formed based on ethnicity, the take over of welkaity, afar, and welo and nile is the reason to declare war against the Liberation Fronts, today, Ethiopia only has very few months before it breaks down even if it doesn't the violence against them will increase not reduce guaranteed until Nile is under the control of foreigners. No one can point fingers against the other, it doesn't matter where it should have started war but there should have been to oust once and for all. Today Sri Lanka is at peace if it didn't mobilize war against the Liberation Fronts to disintegrate their countries. Kudos Sri Lanka.

tiel

You make it seem that the Eritrean independence is the word of god. Its nothing more than a piece of paper with a map on it, the Ethiopians if they choose to can take it back. I don't think it will happen in the next 25 years but I envision myself that there will be a war between Eritrea and Ethiopia. The current peace deal is based on two men and not two nations.



It doesn't matter if they stay independent for 25 years or 100 years.


The UN will make noise and cry as usual but they won't do $hit. Remember how China annexed south China sea and Russia took Crimea and parts of Georgia.Ethiopia can easily create alliance with China and Russia when it comes to the UN to veto any bills against the annexation.

I wasn't trying to focus on Eritrea with above discussion, what I am saying is that there were events repeatedly that was happening including the independece of Eritrea that was continuous violence against the people of Ethiopia. Not sure if you speak amharic, there is a say, chuheten kemagn[/i meaning, Eplf's number one propoganda is convincing its population as we see in ER here how they are vicitms but then they were the ones who started the war, killed till this day millions of Ethiopians through their tentacles Olf and Tplf. propoganda being victim works very well to continue the violence against other people. Thus, it is the violence that is going on till this day against Ethiopians since 1991 to rise up and claim their country back, it is the same as just when Italy trying to colonize Ethiopia. But the enemy within is the most deadly and Shabia especially knows the ins and outs of Ethiopia and in fact much better staging as Ethiopians than Tigrayans due to the privilege they were given by Ase H/selassie to have more advantage than other Ethiopians and Tigrayans but it may have been wise of Ase H/Selassie , today they see him as enemy because the agenda is beyond.

[Aurorae]

agame boy,

You don't understand international treaties do you ? What guarantees do smaller nations have from being annexed by their larger neighbors ? Russian and Israeli situation is not part of the international treaties signed at the end of World War. African nations boundary are based on colonial boundaries. That is signed by the UN and the OAU. Some of the signatories include Haile Sellasie and Nikrumah from Ghana. If Ethiopia invades Eritrea, Eritrea will fight back. The UN and all sovereign countries who signed those treaties can stop recognition of Ethiopia's sovereignty. International sanctions would be reigned on it. Ethiopia as poor as it is, it is sustained by Europeans and the US mainly. That would stop for good. Eritrea would do the rest. You see, in the past we have been on the wrong fence. Our leaders did not help either. Once, Ethiopia crosses the line, it will be exposed. Ethiopia is a very fragile country. Take care of your glass house. It can easily break. Shyyyt head