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Re: Tigrai can exist without Ethiopia but Ethiopia cannot be without Tigray, said the DENKORO AGAME iDedebit Gratuduate

Post by Cigar » 06 Feb 2020, 22:52

So why aren't they declaring their independence?

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Re: Tigrai can exist without Ethiopia but Ethiopia cannot be without Tigray, said the DENKORO AGAME iDedebit Gratuduate

Post by Cigar » 06 Feb 2020, 23:03

LOL.
Little did they know that the tire is irreplaceable and can't be fixed.
Kind of unattainable dream, or like trying to fill a holed barrel with dirty tigray water?



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Re: Tigrai can exist without Ethiopia but Ethiopia cannot be without Tigray, said the DENKORO AGAME iDedebit Gratuduate

Post by Degnet » 07 Feb 2020, 14:29

Gurezza wrote:
06 Feb 2020, 22:19
Tigrai can exist without Ethiopia but Ethiopia cannot be without Tigray

By Teodros Kiros (PH.D) 7-25-19

Introduction

Ethiopian history begins at Tigray about 2000 years ago. There is empirical evidence that the Tigrean civilization has existed as far as 2000 BC followed by the world historical Axumite civilization in 500 BC.
Modern Ethiopia is a direct descendant of this ancient Tigrean Civilization. These two civilizations, ancient and modern, are inextricably intertwined. Therefore, one can take modern Ethiopia out of Tigray, but not Tigray out of Ethiopia.

The idea of Ethiopianity which I have been defending in a series of articles in Tigray On line, Aiga Forum, Ethiomedia, Ethiomedia Forum and my books, Zara Yacob, the philosopher of Modernity; Philosophical Essays; and Ethiopian Discourse, in amazon.com,is informed by this foundational history. I am one of those Tigrean-Ethiopians who have been defending this thesis for the past twenty years,and on which I would like to briefly elaborate.

Argument

There are two parallel situations in our current politics that we must analytically separate.


(A)One move is that the recent harassment of Tigray by the Amhara region and the Abiy regime is pushing the Tigrean elites to seek out an exit from EPRDF and find a new Tigray to feed, shelter, cloth and develop the Tigrean people. This existential crisis can be solved only by the developmental plans of TPLF, extracted out of EPRDF. This is a necessary move propelled by the wings of our current condition of suffering and neglect by the Abiy regime, as it seeks a permutation of solutions which are not working for the Tigrean poor. The Tigrean people are very angry.

(B)The second parallel move articulates the historic argument that both the Amhara region and the Abiy regime themselves are direct and dependent descendants of the world historic civilization at Tigray founded 2000 years ago.
(A) itself is produced by (B), that when Tigreans demand self-determination, they do so as founders of Ethiopian civilization and that modern Ethiopia itself would be annulled if we take Tigray out of it.

The existential crisis in Tigray is projected on Ethiopia itself, inspite of the suicidal denial of some Ethno nationalists who do not know and do not want to know their history, the history of valor and imagination.

Ancient Tigray, the foundation of modern Ethiopia, is a source of pride for all the people of the Global South and not only modern Ethiopia.

Solution
The long overdue development of Tigray does not have to necessitate that Tigreans denounce their Ethiopianity, as its founders. They must instead preserve the Ethiopianity which they founded by any means necessary, that the two parallel arguments as in (A) and (B) can be carried out simultaneously. Tigray must be developed by Tigreans themselves, a project which they have already begun. As they do so, Tigreans do not have to construct a new identity, since they are already defined by the very idea of Ethiopianity which they originated




Let the Tigrians themselves read it and judge and you two,the only thing what the devil knows is to destroy.Typical skunis

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Re: Tigrai can exist without Ethiopia but Ethiopia cannot be without Tigray, said the DENKORO AGAME iDedebit Gratuduate

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 07 Feb 2020, 14:47

"(A)One move is that the recent harassment of Tigray by the Amhara region and the Abiy regime is pushing the Tigrean elites to seek out an exit from EPRDF and find a new Tigray to feed, shelter, cloth and develop the Tigrean people. This existential crisis can be solved only by the developmental plans of TPLF, extracted out of EPRDF. This is a necessary move propelled by the wings of our current condition of suffering and neglect by the Abiy regime, as it seeks a permutation of solutions which are not working for the Tigrean poor. The Tigrean people are very angry.

(B)The second parallel move articulates the historic argument that both the Amhara region and the Abiy regime themselves are direct and dependent descendants of the world historic civilization at Tigray founded 2000 years ago.
(A) itself is produced by (B), that when Tigreans demand self-determination, they do so as founders of Ethiopian civilization and that modern Ethiopia itself would be annulled if we take Tigray out of it."

Heheh..the most laughable argument by a TPLF denQoro ..

TPLF is being punished by the system it designed to perpetuate its hegemony. Why would one try to blame others for one's own failure ? They came up with this nonsense called ethnic apartheid system fully knowing that they are a minority who could be swallowed if the table is overturned. Please leave the Amara people and find a solution for your own inherent hate and complexes.

How is it that Ethiopia is no more if a tiny insignificant part of its rogue region is needing to be a country of its own? Go ahead and do just what you have been preaching and see whose loss it is going to be. Leba hulla... the gloves are off now and we will see to it that TPLF and its thief oligarchs are no more to see the Ethiopian power ever again..even if it means ..whatever. !!

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Re: Tigrai can exist without Ethiopia but Ethiopia cannot be without Tigray, said the DENKORO AGAME iDedebit Gratuduate

Post by Degnet » 07 Feb 2020, 14:53

Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
07 Feb 2020, 14:47
"(A)One move is that the recent harassment of Tigray by the Amhara region and the Abiy regime is pushing the Tigrean elites to seek out an exit from EPRDF and find a new Tigray to feed, shelter, cloth and develop the Tigrean people. This existential crisis can be solved only by the developmental plans of TPLF, extracted out of EPRDF. This is a necessary move propelled by the wings of our current condition of suffering and neglect by the Abiy regime, as it seeks a permutation of solutions which are not working for the Tigrean poor. The Tigrean people are very angry.

(B)The second parallel move articulates the historic argument that both the Amhara region and the Abiy regime themselves are direct and dependent descendants of the world historic civilization at Tigray founded 2000 years ago.
(A) itself is produced by (B), that when Tigreans demand self-determination, they do so as founders of Ethiopian civilization and that modern Ethiopia itself would be annulled if we take Tigray out of it."

Heheh..the most laughable argument by a TPLF denQoro ..

TPLF is being punished by the system it designed to perpetuate its hegemony. Why would one try to blame others for one's own failure ? They came up with this nonsense called ethnic apartheid system fully knowing that they are a minority who could be swallowed if the table is overturned. Please leave the Amara people and find a solution for your own inherent hate and complexes.

How is it that Ethiopia is no more if a tiny insignificant part of its rogue region is needing to be a country of its own? Go ahead and do just what you have been preaching and see whose loss it is going to be. Leba hulla... the gloves are off now and we will see to it that TPLF and its thief oligarchs are no more to see the Ethiopian power ever again..even if it means ..whatever. !!
Ke ende ante aynetu gen leyunet alen menm be tsehufu balsmam,you are a historic enemy,be lela mekniat aydelem ahyoch slehonachehu hulum amara malete aydelem,enanten sew belo mekuter tsehafiw endalew.All I do is to help Amharans.

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Re: Tigrai can exist without Ethiopia but Ethiopia cannot be without Tigray, said the DENKORO AGAME iDedebit Gratuduate

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 07 Feb 2020, 15:41

Degnet wrote:
07 Feb 2020, 14:53
Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
07 Feb 2020, 14:47
"(A)One move is that the recent harassment of Tigray by the Amhara region and the Abiy regime is pushing the Tigrean elites to seek out an exit from EPRDF and find a new Tigray to feed, shelter, cloth and develop the Tigrean people. This existential crisis can be solved only by the developmental plans of TPLF, extracted out of EPRDF. This is a necessary move propelled by the wings of our current condition of suffering and neglect by the Abiy regime, as it seeks a permutation of solutions which are not working for the Tigrean poor. The Tigrean people are very angry.

(B)The second parallel move articulates the historic argument that both the Amhara region and the Abiy regime themselves are direct and dependent descendants of the world historic civilization at Tigray founded 2000 years ago.
(A) itself is produced by (B), that when Tigreans demand self-determination, they do so as founders of Ethiopian civilization and that modern Ethiopia itself would be annulled if we take Tigray out of it."

Heheh..the most laughable argument by a TPLF denQoro ..

TPLF is being punished by the system it designed to perpetuate its hegemony. Why would one try to blame others for one's own failure ? They came up with this nonsense called ethnic apartheid system fully knowing that they are a minority who could be swallowed if the table is overturned. Please leave the Amara people and find a solution for your own inherent hate and complexes.

How is it that Ethiopia is no more if a tiny insignificant part of its rogue region is needing to be a country of its own? Go ahead and do just what you have been preaching and see whose loss it is going to be. Leba hulla... the gloves are off now and we will see to it that TPLF and its thief oligarchs are no more to see the Ethiopian power ever again..even if it means ..whatever. !!
Ke ende ante aynetu gen leyunet alen menm be tsehufu balsmam,you are a historic enemy,be lela mekniat aydelem ahyoch slehonachehu hulum amara malete aydelem,enanten sew belo mekuter tsehafiw endalew.All I do is to help Amharans.
:mrgreen: :lol: Yes, I am your mortal enemy ! Please leave the ahya alone ...lol and focus on the text of the messages. Ene shimagile alisadebim....not in my culture :mrgreen:

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Re: Tigrai can exist without Ethiopia but Ethiopia cannot be without Tigray, said the DENKORO AGAME iDedebit Gratuduate

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 07 Feb 2020, 15:52

Degnet wrote:
07 Feb 2020, 14:53
Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
07 Feb 2020, 14:47
"


TPLF is being punished by the system it designed to perpetuate its hegemony. Why would one try to blame others for one's own failure ? They came up with this nonsense called ethnic apartheid system fully knowing that they are a minority who could be swallowed if the table is overturned. Please leave the Amara people and find a solution for your own inherent hate and complexes.

How is it that Ethiopia is no more if a tiny insignificant part of its rogue region is needing to be a country of its own? Go ahead and do just what you have been preaching and see whose loss it is going to be. Leba hulla... the gloves are off now and we will see to it that TPLF and its thief oligarchs are no more to see the Ethiopian power ever again..even if it means ..whatever. !!
Ke ende ante aynetu gen leyunet alen menm be tsehufu balsmam,you are a historic enemy,be lela mekniat aydelem ahyoch slehonachehu hulum amara malete aydelem,enanten sew belo mekuter tsehafiw endalew.All I do is to help Amharans.


It was too entertaining too watch...but see for yourself what the Afar lady says... about the Lapisso Gedelebo's suggestion about the flag and what needs to be on it...:mrgreen:

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